nVidia wins this round - Charlie D.

[Will Robinson]

You know how this works better than anyone, if NV goes thru a restructure will they pull your funding or is it cheap enough to have a 'media crew' that it wouldn't be affected?

Classic comment Obsoleet

 

[Will Robinson]

lolz you too, did you get your 7970 yet? I'd humor you with a good ol fashion bench-off

No,not yet...I'm saving up for a pair of GTX470s

 

[MrK6]

I was speaking directly towards the 5870/50 not holding up nearly as well as the Fermi cards AMD "dealt with".

I didn't mention the 7970 at all so I was never beaten at my own game.

Considering the 5xxx series cards were using an architecture almost two years older than Fermi, they held up pretty darn well: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970/28.html .

 

[blackened23]

lolz you too, did you get your 7970 yet? I'd humor you with a good ol fashion bench-off

I have 7970 xfire and i'm down to battle Name the games!

All in good fun of course

 

[BallaTheFeared]

No,not yet...I'm saving up for a pair of GTX470s

Oh man, I'm sorry I wasn't actually talking to you I was talking to black

I have 7970 xfire and i'm down to battle Name the games!

All in good fun of course

Bah I'll get smoked by two

What do you have, let's see what do I have with built in benchmarks...

Shogun 2
Crysis 1
Crysis 2
F1 2010
F1 2011
Dirt 3
Batman AC
Metro 2033
AvP (demo)
CoP (demo)
JC2 (demo)

Others that can be downloaded (name um)

 

[boxleitnerb]

Except the GTX 680/780/785 probably won't be released until July or August, of course. Maybe June if NVIDIA is really lucky...

So no, it's nowhere near 2-3 months. Like with the HD 5000 series, AMD will have a headstart of about 6 months. That's the price NVIDIA has to pay for making such huge monolithic GPUs.

Yeah right...you know everything. We'll see what you write in April.
I like the NV's strategy, because it is targeted at the enthusiast and that is what I am. If they can make the chip as fast as possible and retain a similar TDP as the previous gen, fine by me. I don't like compromises. If you want a more "reasonable" card, you can always buy a 560 or 570.

 

[badb0y]

On the contrary I believe that the HD 5870/50 was one of the better cards ever released. Until this year it was pretty much on par with the mid-high end offerings and those people who got one at launch got a heck of deal and longevity out of the card.

 

[SirPauly]

Yeah right...you know everything. We'll see what you write in April.
I like the NV's strategy, because it is targeted at the enthusiast and that is what I am. If they can make the chip as fast as possible and retain a similar TDP as the previous gen, fine by me. I don't like compromises. If you want a more "reasonable" card, you can always buy a 560 or 570.

That's usually the case but, at times, nVidia changes up, for example, after the 8800GTX, their next offering was more value in nature with the G-92 offerings. Could be the same here 'till the bigger guns are ready.

 

[Will Robinson]

NVDA has every opportunity here to deliver a great card.With a node shrink, new architecture and already having good compute performance with Fermi, it could be a beauty.
I think its good that they are releasing later than AMD this time.AMD need the sales and market share, and a few months more in the sun with Tahiti,in its current form,will be great for their bottom line.
HD7950 looks set to have fearsome demand if the thing overclocks well and performs strongly.
Good stuff coming this year

 

[railven]

NVDA has every opportunity here to deliver a great card.With a node shrink, new architecture and already having good compute performance with Fermi, it could be a beauty.
I think its good that they are releasing later than AMD this time.AMD need the sales and market share, and a few months more in the sun with Tahiti,in its current form,will be great for their bottom line.
HD7950 looks set to have fearsome demand if the thing overclocks well and performs strongly.
Good stuff coming this year

I see what you did there.

 

[notty22]

Fudzilla is weighing in with some info.

Geforce GTX 660 / Ti Nvidia's next-generation 28nm GPU architecture, codenamed Kepler, is officially expected to launch in early Q2 2012 according to the latest schedule we have seen from the company. Although the company will technically be launching one quarter behind AMD, we can still expect to see a few noteworthy design wins in the enthusiast and performance segments, beginning with GK110 in April and following up with GK104, GK107 and GK108. The latest report from sources overseas claims that Nvidia's GK104 GPU, the successor to 40nm GF114 (see: Geforce GTX 560, Geforce GTX 560 Ti), will feature a 256-bit memory interface, will pack 2GB of memory capacity and should have a 225W TDP. Nevertheless, the GK104 will most likely be branded as Geforce GTX 660 and may very well have a Geforce GTX 660 Ti variant later down the release roadmap.

Many analysts are expecting 28nm GK104 to get a big boost in CUDA cores. Some estimates are projecting as many as 768 CUDA cores or "well above 2 teraflops" of raw performance, which roughly equates to 50-percent more compute power than the current flagship Geforce GTX 580 single-GPU card with its 1.56 teraflops. While we don't have exact information on these specifications yet, we expect more information on the exact details of CUDA cores, texture units and ROPs in the very near future.

 

[sontin]

That's not really new. The author is only using old informationen.

But have somebody post the "die" shot of GK110?

http://diybbs.zol.com.cn/56/231_558125_49.html

Do know the movie "Exit Wounds"? It has a great line:
"The best trick of the devil was to let the people believe that he doesn't exist."

 

[AtenRa]

2Tflops out of 1.56Tflops is not 50% more

GK104 with 768 Cores could be close to GF110 in performance,

I will just say a 5-10% faster maybe if they will implement a superscalar design like GF104/114.

 

[SirPauly]

It's tough to gauge though because one doesn't know how efficient Kepler may be compared to Fermi.

 

[SirPauly]

That's not really new. The author is only using old informationen.

But have somebody post the "die" shot of GK110?

http://diybbs.zol.com.cn/56/231_558125_49.html

Do know the movie "Exit Wounds"? It has a great line:
"The best trick of the devil was to let the people believe that he doesn't exist."

I'm totally confused and baffled and still don't know what nVidia is going to do, hehe!

 

[wahdangun]

That's usually the case but, at times, nVidia names changes up, for example, after the 8800GTX, their next offering was more value in nature with the G-92 offerings. Could be the same here 'till the bigger guns are ready.

is that what you really mean ?

 

[blackened23]

Oh man, I'm sorry I wasn't actually talking to you I was talking to black




Bah I'll get smoked by two

What do you have, let's see what do I have with built in benchmarks...

Shogun 2
Crysis 1
Crysis 2
F1 2010
F1 2011
Dirt 3
Batman AC
Metro 2033
AvP (demo)
CoP (demo)
JC2 (demo)

Others that can be downloaded (name um)

Okay, lets do metro 2033, crysis 1, crysis 2, shogun 2, JC2. I don't have the other stuff.

Give me a few days though, i'm still trying to figure out how to OC GPU2 past 1125. I can oc GPU1 to my hearts content but the slider in afterburner for GPU2 is locked at 1125. I'll get back to you next week

 

[boxleitnerb]

I'm totally confused and baffled and still don't know what nVidia is going to do, hehe!

Was revealed as fake. The image has been tampered with.

 

[blackened23]

That's not really new. The author is only using old informationen.

But have somebody post the "die" shot of GK110?

http://diybbs.zol.com.cn/56/231_558125_49.html

Do know the movie "Exit Wounds"? It has a great line:
"The best trick of the devil was to let the people believe that he doesn't exist."

Did you read that entire thread with translation? Page 1 is full of fake slides, and that die appears to be Fermi.

 

[SirPauly]

Was revealed as fake. The image has been tampered with.

Thanks!

 

[boxleitnerb]

Btw someone found these snippets:

http://twitter.com/#!/drewhenry

Drew Henry
2012 is going to be great.
22 Dez (HD7970 release)

Also:
http://www.legitreviews.com/news/12324/

During CES 2012 we sat down with NVIDIA and they wouldn't talk about Kepler on the record, but off the record that they expected to see more from the AMD Radeon HD 7970. From our face-to-face conversation with NVIDIA we walked away with the feeling that they were underwhelmed by what they saw and that Kepler would be able to easily leap frog the Radeon HD 7900 series. Time will obviously tell if this is the truth, but if the GK-104 is faster than the AMD Radeon HD 7970 the folks over at AMD better get back to work. You can read a broken chinglish translation of some of the source site below.

 

[MrK6]

Oh man, I'm sorry I wasn't actually talking to you I was talking to black




Bah I'll get smoked by two

What do you have, let's see what do I have with built in benchmarks...

Shogun 2
Crysis 1
Crysis 2
F1 2010
F1 2011
Dirt 3
Batman AC
Metro 2033
AvP (demo)
CoP (demo)
JC2 (demo)

Others that can be downloaded (name um)

I already have Shogun 2, Warhead, Crysis 2, and Metro 2033 results in my review - just mimic my settings to compare.

 

[MrK6]

Btw someone found these snippets:

First, you can't really expect NVIDIA to say "yeah, AMD nailed that 28nm launch, hell better than we did a new architecture on a new process." Not saying that they're wrong about Kepler either, but NVIDIA did a lot of chest thumping pre-Fermi and look how that turned out. I'm just amazed that there is absolutely no info on a Kepler part yet, I think that shows just how far out we are. AMD's 7970's and soon 7950's are flying off the shelves and NVIDIA is just taking it?

 

[boxleitnerb]

First, you can't really expect NVIDIA to say "yeah, AMD nailed that 28nm launch, hell better than we did a new architecture on a new process." Not saying that they're wrong about Kepler either, but NVIDIA did a lot of chest thumping pre-Fermi and look how that turned out. I'm just amazed that there is absolutely no info on a Kepler part yet, I think that shows just how far out we are. AMD's 7970's and soon 7950's are flying off the shelves and NVIDIA is just taking it?

He could have written nothing.
Also, I doubt that it hurts Nvidia if a couple of 7970 cards are sold. At 550 bucks only desperate and impatient people buy a 380mm2 chip which is clearly to expensive. The 7950 has not been released yet.

If Kepler really is as great as rumors imply, Nvidia will be just fine.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Yeah I can just imagine the HUGE pressure nvidia's engineers are under at this point. Fermi bankrupted BFG and XFX jumped ship to AMD. I can imagine Evga and others have definitely made a few calls to nvidia wondering where Kepler is. Lots of companies are riding on the Kepler release. Not to mention everyday they are late they lose money and market share to AMD.