nVidia wins this round - Charlie D.

[BallaTheFeared]

Will be similar to the core of AMD's product before Sweet spot, Die size and TDP levels are kept low . However, OBR said GK104 will beat the performance, including overclocked Radeon HD 7970, including all .

OBR supplement, Kepler will be completely different and Fermi new architecture, bringing more features again . OBR recommended not to buy Tahiti in the present series of graphics cards (specifically refers to the pricing now HD 7970/HD 7950), Kepler will be thoroughly defeated on the performance and pricing them , and worth waiting until April.

Rumors from the rumor mill!

http://news.mydrivers.com/1/215/215436.htm

 

[blackened23]

And charlie backtracks on his kepler position, says stay 7970 for highest performance, and says that nvidia was playing games with him

I wonder how much truth is in these rumors, and how much of it is Nvidias internet hype machine

More Kepler news coming up soon here on Fox News

 

[Keysplayr]

I won't round them all up, but every rumour for months; since we've heard inklings of nvidia on 28nm - has been saying mid-range first. Now these more recent rumours are saying, again, mid-range. I'd also say when is the last time you have seen high-end and mid-range come together ? It will be one, or the other. Rumours are saying it's mid-range.

Frankly, I'm still sceptical they have anything close to ready. Until I see leaked board shots on chiphell - there is nothing close to ready.

I am ruminating on what little there is in way of rumour, and that all is saying a mid-range card. For me it's very dissapointing if accurate that again nvidia can't execute well on delivering their high-end cards in a timely manner to compete with AMD. A mid-range card is nice as there are no mid-range 28nm options right now for people wanting to spend in that bracket, but not what I'm looking for.

Speaking of Chiphell:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Nvidia-Kepler-GTX680-GPU-geforce,14499.html

 

[blastingcap]

Speaking of Chiphell:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Nvidia-Kepler-GTX680-GPU-geforce,14499.html

Competition is good for consumers. :thumbsup:

 

[Skurge]

How noisy or silent was Nvidia right before dropping the G80, better known as the legendary 8800 GTX?

AMD needs to watch its back. It's fighting a losing war with Intel, draining resources at a time when a well-financed Nvidia is seeking to regain its lost market share.

http://www.nasdaq.com/article/amd-slips-to-loss-in-q4---quick-facts-20120124-01430

well the 2900XT was a pretty poor card in almost every metric (see what I did there?). For Keplar to be a G80, Tahiti would have had to have been delayed for many months, come out with noise and heat problems, poor performance over previous gen cards, and a hardware issue of some sort.

If Keplar is another G80, it will be good, but the gap won't be as large. Reading the AT article on GCN, they say it is pretty scalable so it would be easy to add more "stuff"

I'm looking forward to close competition like in the X800 vs 6800 days and 7900 vs X1900 days, was fun reading reviews back then.

 

[blackened23]

Speaking of Chiphell:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Nvidia-Kepler-GTX680-GPU-geforce,14499.html

I've been hearing a GTX 550 is being developed for Feb release? Thats what DH said anyway. I have no idea, would be great if NV tossed us a bone

 

[AtenRa]

AMD's Radeon HD 5870: Bringing About the Next Generation Of GPUs launch date 9/23/2009

NVIDIA's Fermi: Architected for Tesla, 3 Billion Transistors in 2010 9/30/2009

One week after Evergreen, NV released information about Fermi architecture. They released the transistor count, the Cuda cores count etc.
Today, one month after Tahiti's launch we know nothing about Kepler. Im sure they could release something in CES if they wanted, apparently they dont want to release it yet.

 

[SirPauly]

Until there are board shots, there is nothing.

100 percent agree! Speculation and rumor mongering is fun though!

 

[blastingcap]

well the 2900XT was a pretty poor card in almost every metric (see what I did there?). For Keplar to be a G80, Tahiti would have had to have been delayed for many months, come out with noise and heat problems, poor performance over previous gen cards, and a hardware issue of some sort.

If Keplar is another G80, it will be good, but the gap won't be as large. Reading the AT article on GCN, they say it is pretty scalable so it would be easy to add more "stuff"

I'm looking forward to close competition like in the X800 vs 6800 days and 7900 vs X1900 days, was fun reading reviews back then.

Actually I meant compare G80 with its predecessor:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2116/29

"A single GeForce 8800 GTX is more powerful overall than a 7900 GTX SLI configuration and even NVIDIA's mammoth Quad SLI. Although it's no longer a surprise to see a new generation of GPU outperform the previous generation in SLI, the sheer performance we're able to attain because of G80 is still breathtaking."

and

"Architecturally, G80 is a gigantic leap from the previous generation of GPUs. It's the type of leap in performance that's akin to what we saw with the Radeon 9700 Pro, and given the number of 9700 Pro-like launches we've seen, they are rare. Like 9700 Pro, we are able to enable features that improve image quality well beyond the previous generation, and we are able to run games smoothly at resolutions higher than we could hope for. And, like 9700 Pro, the best is yet to come."

I am not saying that Kepler is going to be another G80, just pointing out that Nvidia wasn't continually tooting its own horn prior to the G80's release, so Nvidia's current silence about Kepler could mean anything (good OR bad).

 

[blackened23]

100 percent agree! Speculation and rumor mongering is fun though!

indeed it is!

 

[AnandThenMan]

Speaking of Chiphell:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Nvidia-Kepler-GTX680-GPU-geforce,14499.html

It will come with 2 GB of memory. It is suggested that the card with have a 512-bit memory bus

Seems odd.

 

[blackened23]

512 bit memory bus with 2gb. What? He's talking about GK104? Yeah well we know that source is Full of .....

peanut butter

 

[mak360]

there is no source, its started with wild guesses turning into fud and then people claiming inside sources... Its a cheap shot to reduce sales of amd cards (Not really needed since AMD cant produce enough chips yet & 7950 still no where to be seen)

Me finks nvidia is having problems on 28nm, more so then amd (Not surprising one bit)

http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-features/60930-is-tsmc-having-trouble-with-28nm

http://eetimes.com/electronics-news/4234961/TSMC-manufacturing-process-in-trouble?pageNumber=0

 

[railven]

Competition is good for consumers. :thumbsup:

You know it!

Launch that bad boy and let the price wars start. A cheaper HD 7970 would make me happier that and I want a 6 series to replace the GTX 460.

HD 7970 + GTX 670 in my future? Please, make it so!

 

[Arzachel]

Actually I meant compare G80 with its predecessor:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2116/29

I am not saying that Kepler is going to be another G80, just pointing out that Nvidia wasn't continually tooting its own horn prior to the G80's release, so Nvidia's current silence about Kepler could mean anything (good OR bad).

That performance came with a 40-50% increase in power draw. Expecting anything even close to that is setting yourself up for a grand disappointment.

 

[blastingcap]

That performance came with a 40-50% increase in power draw. Expecting anything even close to that is setting yourself up for a grand disappointment.

Way to miss the point, and you quoted me, too. I am just saying that you can't read anything into Nvidia's silence about Kepler; it could be good or bad. Also, to address your point which is entirely different because I am NOT assuming Kepler will be another G80: 8800GT

 

[skipsneeky2]

I've been hearing a GTX 550 is being developed for Feb release? Thats what DH said anyway. I have no idea, would be great if NV tossed us a bone

Would be sweet if such a card could fall under a low enough tdp just to be powered by a pci-e slot.

you got some half ass stuff then you got a overpriced gt545 which cost as much as a hand me down gtx460 then a gtx550 ti as their lowest priced performance card and its a bucket of ass with its price tag so maybe a non ti gtx550 could save their ass on the low end of performance.

 

[boxleitnerb]

That performance came with a 40-50% increase in power draw. Expecting anything even close to that is setting yourself up for a grand disappointment.

Same process. This is different for Fermi and Kepler.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Why does people trust Char-lie?

In my book no info is better than his ramblings?

 

[MrK6]

That performance came with a 40-50% increase in power draw. Expecting anything even close to that is setting yourself up for a grand disappointment.

Expecting anything close is out there because G80 brought about a unified shader architecture which was absolutely revolutionary in GPU design. It made the GPU on a whole much more efficient, and hence the staggering performance increase. Until another bottleneck like split shaders can be identified and removed, incremental updates from GPU architecture updates will be smaller. That said, the fact that an overclocked 7970 can more than double the performance of an overclocked 6970 in some games is quite impressive, so 28nm might work wonders simply because of how much it shrinks the process.

 

[Skurge]

Actually I meant compare G80 with its predecessor:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2116/29

"A single GeForce 8800 GTX is more powerful overall than a 7900 GTX SLI configuration and even NVIDIA's mammoth Quad SLI. Although it's no longer a surprise to see a new generation of GPU outperform the previous generation in SLI, the sheer performance we're able to attain because of G80 is still breathtaking."

and

"Architecturally, G80 is a gigantic leap from the previous generation of GPUs. It's the type of leap in performance that's akin to what we saw with the Radeon 9700 Pro, and given the number of 9700 Pro-like launches we've seen, they are rare. Like 9700 Pro, we are able to enable features that improve image quality well beyond the previous generation, and we are able to run games smoothly at resolutions higher than we could hope for. And, like 9700 Pro, the best is yet to come."

I am not saying that Kepler is going to be another G80, just pointing out that Nvidia wasn't continually tooting its own horn prior to the G80's release, so Nvidia's current silence about Kepler could mean anything (good OR bad).

Well nvidia didn't have to say anything since they launched 1st so they were under no pressure.

But yeah, I get what your saying, just cause their silent doesn't mean they are having issues, but it doesn't meant they aren't either.

 

[boxleitnerb]

And charlie backtracks on his kepler position, says stay 7970 for highest performance, and says that nvidia was playing games with him

No he doesn't say that...at all. Work on your reading comprehension. His words can be interpreted in all kinds of ways. Btw the "Nvidia's games" part was in direct reference to the Crysis 2 debacle. So it probably has nothing to do with him or his news but rather Nvidia-developer relationships.

It would be really helpful if you would read, think and then post instead of spreading false information.

 

[Keysplayr]

Seems odd.

Which part? The High bus width or the 2GB? Should it be 3GB or 4GB? Is that needed?

 

[SirPauly]

No he doesn't say that...at all. Work on your reading comprehension. His words can be interpreted in all kinds of ways. Btw the "Nvidia's games" part was in direct reference to the Crysis 2 debacle. So it probably has nothing to do with him or his news but rather Nvidia-developer relationships.

It would be really helpful if you would read, think and then post instead of spreading false information.

I don't think I've read one complaint about Crysis 2 and their tessellation ever since the HD 7970 came out and believe I've seen that title actually showcased for the HD 7970.

 

[sontin]

I don't think I've read one complaint about Crysis 2 and their tessellation ever since the HD 7970 came out and believe I've seen that title actually showcased for the HD 7970.

Yeah. It is not funny that AMD promoted Heaven 1.0 which is using abnormal "tessellation" with their cypress card and after nVidia introduced Fermi they dismissed the benchmark and the work of the developer? And now it's okay to use Heaven because Tahiti is faster... :awe: