nVidia vs ATI = ultimate deathmatch?

[mariner]

I'm with you randypj. As you know, I've been following nvda for the same reasons as you, stock ownership. And from what we and other investors have seen, nvda is increasing their marketshare. In the end it's as much marketshare and agressive sales staff as product quality, that will determine the success of a company. Macintosh proved that product quality isn't the only requirement for success. That 'proprietary' thing can be a killer. If you flip through a Computer Shopper mag you will see an awful lot of nvda stuff in systems. I am not very knowledgable on the technical qualities of all the cards mentioned, but for my money, nvda has the edge.

 

[Rectalfier]

I am very interested in their stock. With the way the stock market has been going lately, I am afraid of investing in anything. Just look at how NVDA plummeted 7 percent yesterday for no reason except for no interest rate cuts yet. In this bear market, I think NVDA is already priced at a level which shows their current market dominance. I will have to wait untill I see NVDA successfully moving into other markets, at that point I will throw down some cash for their stock.

 

[bluemax]

I just think it's downright funny that as soon as someone says "SiS" you guys automatically assume it's crap. No, they haven't been well know for high-end video solutions, and many of them HAVE sucked for 3D, but they're working on something new that should be equivalent of a Geforce.
IF they deliver a product as good as a Geforce with the same speed and possibly even better quality, but only 1/2 to 1/3 the price, are you STILL gonna' say it sucks just because it's made by SiS?
I don't care who makes it- so long as it works WELL!

 

[Noriaki]

Bluemax, if SiS made a card that could compete with GeForce1/MX well that's considered mid-range now, it won't be very high performing when it's out competing with NV20 now will it? If SiS had a card out that could compare to a GeForce MX for 1/2 the price I'd consider it. But look at the Radeon, it has in my opinion much nicer hardware behind it than the GeForce, and it's cheaper but the drivers for it are absolute crap (I owned a 64MB Vivo for two weeks) so it's next to useless to me (I understand ATi is working on this but as of now I'm unimpressed with the card). If SiS could deliver a card with GeForce MX performance and deliver it with good drivers, and I was in the market for a card with MX class performance I would well consider it. But by the time it comes out GF2 GTS will probably be down to the price of an MX, and the NV20 will be dominant on high....

 

[Modeps]

Noriaki
you beat me to it

 

[bluemax]

ummm... GF2 MX performance = Original Geforce. Unless you overclock it...
Like I said about biased opinions... at least that wasn't an outright "it sucks".
Most people don't NEED a GF2 Ultra, anything around GF1/MX performance is plenty.
Do you really NEED a $500-$600 NV20?

 

[Modeps]

Bluemax,
Who cares if we need it. More than half of us on here simply want the best to get the best performance. Necessity and Desire are two different things. For the basic computer NEEDs, you should have a p2-400 with 64mb ram, TNT grade card, and 2 gb HDD.

I like nVidia, I am saying that outright. If you call it a bias thats fine, call it what you will. And here is my reasoning behind it. They provide excelent drivers on a regular basis. They keep turning out the next level of graphics cards allowing enthusiasts like myself to constantly be amazed with performance and graphical beauty. I have NEVER had a problem with one of their cards. Period.

Until someone else has these qualities, I will be with nVidia for a long time.

 

[Packet]

I stick with Nvidia thus far because of their continued support in the driver area. When I first got my SDR the only drivers out were 3.28's (I think thats the right number), and now they are already up to the 7th version (leaked speaking, 6th not counting leaked). Its nice to know that even after you buy a card, there are going to be new features added and improvements made. FSAA, now HSR, DX8 support, its just nice to know you can depend on steady driver improvements.

The radeon is no doubt a good card, but ATI has yet to prove its ability to provide a steady flow of improved drivers like Nvidia. Matrox does a good job with drivers, but they don't seam to do a whole lot per release like Nvidia's do. But that may be hard to do depending on what they are working with.

 

[Moonbender]

There was an interesting discussion to what degree total integration into a single chipset will happen in near future. For technophiles with a tad too much money to spend like many people here seem to be (), the best is just barely good enough, while the vast majority seems to survive quite fine with the devices the chipset offers them.

As of yet, the differences between integrated and "real" graphic solutions are huge. But still, the integrated graphic chipsets work absolutely fine for Office applications and even some slight gaming, which is what most people seem to do with their computers. No need to spend $100 for a "value" card, not to mention $400 for cutting edge technology. But it's only a matter of time that integrated graphic solutions will become better and better, to a degree where even most gamers will resort on the built in GPU.