Why waste time Joker, look at his comment. He rather hold onto his theory of a performance hit and disregard real world benchmarks. I believe ackmed showed a massive difference of .3fps but some reason that doesn't count. With logic like that, why argue with the guy?
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Why waste time Joker, look at his comment. He rather hold onto his theory of a performance hit and disregard real world benchmarks. I believe ackmed showed a massive difference of .3fps but some reason that doesn't count. With logic like that, why argue with the guy?
"typical" isn't everyone. Most systems are still sold with 512mb or less now a days. Windows files itself takes around 200mb at min, so you are talking about 300mb left. take out antivirus, you won't have much left for the actual game.
During the game, 17mb less read from HD = better performance.
btw, 17mb is min. You don't know what CCC does in the background. Anything CCC do in the background would eat up more physical memory.
How long are we going to keep this thread at the top of the Video forums when most of it is just flaming, of whoever, for whatever reason?
Some people need to get over the whole preference thing.. And the whole who employs who.. Just take everything on the forums with a pinch of slat, and be done with it.
I dont agree with AEG ethics, but you just have to get to a point where you say "That's enough. Time to move on." To me, nearly fifty pages of flaming is reason enough to say that.
Some people need to get over the whole preference thing.. And the whole who employs who.. Just take everything on the forums with a pinch of slat, and be done with it.
I dont agree with AEG ethics, but you just have to get to a point where you say "That's enough. Time to move on." To me, nearly fifty pages of flaming is reason enough to say that.
5150Joker
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You're right, all he does is keep going in circles to the same old stuff despite being shown contrary evidence. Best to ignore the little guy.
Nirach, above comment is why.. joker and robert have to resort to insult in every post.
joker, who is to say Ackmed is correct? He has a 2 gig ram that is why. why not test it on a 512mb system? or 256mb system?
Maybe I don't comprehend what you were saying, BUT I did read the thread and my interpretation was that CLI.exe was taking up 70 MB of your memory (RAM) on your computer according to Windows Task Manager. Maybe that's true, but since there is no way for me to check your computer I'll go by what Windows Task Manager shows me and it's an even 17 MB. For you to typify all CCC users and to say that memory use is ?horrendous? is absolute non-sense.
In regards to CCC.
It's what we're given. Personally, I'd rather the CP. But, whatever, it's what we're given, and works. Give or take a bit of a poke. Personally, I've not noticed a performance hit due to CCC, but eh. And, well, in all honesty. Who cares?
Unless it's 5-10 FPS, you're not really going to notice it. and who games hardcore on 256/512? Personally, my machine is a glorified MP3 player/Typewriter. And I find 512 inaequate. Buuut. Eh. Whatever, I guess this debate will be going for a loooong time to come..
In regards to the above comment.
Doesn't mean you have to respond. Not going to change their minds on a forum, all that's going to happen is the thread will eventually be a contender for longest thread ever.
It's what we're given. Personally, I'd rather the CP. But, whatever, it's what we're given, and works. Give or take a bit of a poke. Personally, I've not noticed a performance hit due to CCC, but eh. And, well, in all honesty. Who cares?
Unless it's 5-10 FPS, you're not really going to notice it. and who games hardcore on 256/512? Personally, my machine is a glorified MP3 player/Typewriter. And I find 512 inaequate. Buuut. Eh. Whatever, I guess this debate will be going for a loooong time to come..
In regards to the above comment.
Doesn't mean you have to respond. Not going to change their minds on a forum, all that's going to happen is the thread will eventually be a contender for longest thread ever.
Originally posted by: Nirach
In regards to CCC.
It's what we're given. Personally, I'd rather the CP. But, whatever, it's what we're given, and works. Give or take a bit of a poke. Personally, I've not noticed a performance hit due to CCC, but eh. And, well, in all honesty. Who cares?
Unless it's 5-10 FPS, you're not really going to notice it. and who games hardcore on 256/512? Personally, my machine is a glorified MP3 player/Typewriter. And I find 512 inaequate. Buuut. Eh. Whatever, I guess this debate will be going for a loooong time to come..
In regards to the above comment.
Doesn't mean you have to respond. Not going to change their minds on a forum, all that's going to happen is the thread will eventually be a contender for longest thread ever.
Yes, time to stop. tired of arguing..last post 4 me.;0
I agree with this. A bit off topic, but if you have a video card powerful enough to play today's games but don't have the RAM (a GB is what? $70) you have more important issues than CCC.
Ronin
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If you only have 256 MB, I'm sure you're not going for the highest performance RAM you can buy. Which is exacly my point, if you have an expensive video card capable of high resolutios, AA, and AF, (all of which would benifit from CCC tweaks) why would you use 256 MB RAM?
It's a debatable topic, but I think beggarking is willing to say anything to downplay CCC.
Keysplayr
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It's because he's committed now. He put his neck out there and won't back down. He'll take it to his grave most likely. Yes, I said I wouldn't post in this thread again, but could not resist
P.S. I am absolutely amazed that this thread hasn't been locked.
5150Joker
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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
It's because he's committed now. He put his neck out there and won't back down. He'll take it to his grave most likely. Yes, I said I wouldn't post in this thread again, but could not resist
P.S. I am absolutely amazed that this thread hasn't been locked.
You really should go back a few pages and read what I wrote there and in the CCC thread. :roll: It was never about CCC vs ATi Tray Tools but rather the exaggerations of CCC being so bloated and a major performance killer. Both of the latter assumptions are false.
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You are such the tool. I have chastised ArchAngel777 in the past for being mean to deluded ATI fanboys. He knows it and I know it. Your powers of observation also need some work. Do you really think an ATI fanboy is going to spring for a 7800GTX?
Folks, on the OT subject that has crept in, CCC with the ATI drivers and the ATI WDM driver are <25MB on my system. Can't figure out where 70MB came from unless someone added .Net to the mix. I need .Net for other things too, so I already had it loaded. In fact, that makes sense. I bet the original report of 70MB included the .Net executables. That would be a little over-reporting. Most of you may not need it, but I do for Visual Studio and Expression.
It's sort of a moot point given the XTX is currently the fastest card you can buy at several games, and pretty much tied at most of the rest.
5150Joker
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For the most part, all ATIs products are competitive at their price points, so the performance issue still seems moot to me.
As far as "bloated" oh well, people have a lot of RAM these days and I haven't seen any stats of it consuming an inordinate amount of clock cycles.
I prefer nVidia's drivers/console, but I don't see CCC as a big issue.
While siging up for such a program (dispite what you really mean or belive or how much you know) is only moraly unacceptable; What you say will always be tainted with ulterior motive. I do not think mods should allow spokesmen of any type to speak outside of an offical forum concerning ONLY the product they are payed to speak on. If a -comfirmed- Nvidia spokesman if found to speak in a thread about a ATI card, ban them. If anyone is found to have recieved pricey handouts from ATI keep them under the same rules. Mods should however only act upon their own information and ignore forum witchhunts without hard evidence.
Keysplayr
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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
It's because he's committed now. He put his neck out there and won't back down. He'll take it to his grave most likely. Yes, I said I wouldn't post in this thread again, but could not resist
P.S. I am absolutely amazed that this thread hasn't been locked.
You really should go back a few pages and read what I wrote there and in the CCC thread. :roll: It was never about CCC vs ATi Tray Tools but rather the exaggerations of CCC being so bloated and a major performance killer. Both of the latter assumptions are false.
And you really need to lighten up. All I know is, you say it does not use more than 17MB as well as some others. And a few other folks say it does increase overall system memory usage whether it be physical or virtual memory, beyond what CLi.exe uses.
My suggestion to all of you is this:
Collaborate with each other through PM's. You and Ronin. When you both settle on what the CCC is after you both test it, THEN start a new thread with accurate results. Sort of like publishing an article AFTER all the research is done. Not just starting a thread about it after looking at Task Manager for a few minutes. Sound like a plan? Does to me.
Ronin,
nothing personal, only observation. Seriously.
When I read the Xbit article they said that pro NV guys are "a way more aggressive in the forums". It fits you. I wouldn't be suprised if you were in "the group".
nothing personal, only observation. Seriously.
When I read the Xbit article they said that pro NV guys are "a way more aggressive in the forums". It fits you. I wouldn't be suprised if you were in "the group".
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