Nvidia viral marketing with AEG exposed !!! *UPDATED* *Poll Added*

[nts]

Rollo in AEG, not suprised. Never asked to post stuff, don't believe it.

Now how many user accounts does Rollo have on this forum, I've suspected 'Wreckage' to be Rollo both from PMs and posts.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: linkgoron
Seems as if AEG told some guys to do some DC, and post some "they didn't tell me what to post", "we were onlt beta-testers" posts...

Well, this is why I didn't say anything all along.

Some of you will believe the worst about this no matter what I say, or anyone else for that matter.

If you want to believe that nVidia is the only company that hands out freebies to enthusiasts in hopes they will post favorable things about their products and/or provide end user feedback, LOL at your naievete'.


I've been a beta tester of other things long before nVidia, and have been given free promotional articles by other firms. <Gasp>

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: nts
Rollo in AEG, not suprised. Never asked to post stuff, don't believe it.

Now how many user accounts does Rollo have on this forum, I've suspected 'Wreckage' to be Rollo both from PMs and posts.

I think we should start keeping a tally of known AEG viral marketers on various forums. I'm adding whoever I know about to my sig.

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: Rollo
LOL

"Oh noes! Now beta testers will be flamed on sight?!"

:roll:

Like I said, no one from AEG or nVidia has ever asked me to post anything other than what I think. They've always pointed out that they want to know good, bad, otherwise.

This is an admission, or are people misunderstanding?

As far as ChrisRay is concerned, he's a phucktard, and hardly an nVIDIA pro-guy (you should really go through his reviews and his bagging of nVIDIA products), which I find very interesting (unless he's recently changed his tune, which I haven't paid attention to, because I rarely frequent nVNews save for the forums).

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: Rollo
LOL

"Oh noes! Now beta testers will be flamed on sight?!"

:roll:

Like I said, no one from AEG or nVidia has ever asked me to post anything other than what I think. They've always pointed out that they want to know good, bad, otherwise.

This is an admission, or are people misunderstanding?

As far as ChrisRay is concerned, he's a phucktard, and hardly an nVIDIA pro-guy (you should really go through his reviews and his bagging of nVIDIA products), which I find very interesting (unless he's recently changed his tune, which I haven't paid attention to, because I rarely frequent nVNews save for the forums).

He quit nVNews long ago - I think he joined up with AEG shortly afterwards or around the time he did his AA investigation write-up.

 

[RobertR1]

This has been a fun tuesday! Thanks guys.
I'm hoping that the AT mods can now unban those people that supposedly got banned for accusing rollo of being with AEG in the past.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: Creig
Hardware company enthusiast = Person who chooses one company over another for personal/performance reason.

Hardware company employee = Person who is given discounted or free hardware as a reward for consistently promoting one company over all others.

employee

em·ploy·ee also em·ploy·e
Pronunciation Key (m-ploi, m-, mploi-)


A person who works for another in return for financial or other compensation.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=employee



By accepting free/discounted hardware, a person is being paid for promoting that company's products. And within these forums, should that person give purchasing advice to others, they would be guilty of breaking the AnandTech Terms of Service regarding paid advertisers.

Well damn, I'm screwed then. ATi. nVIDIA, Intel, AMD. S3, XGI, Matrox, D-Link, LinkSys, Microsoft...all of them I receive hardware from. Guess I should leave, then (and start demanding paychecks, since I'm an 'employee' for receiving hardware from them).

See when seeing a list like that, It makes me want to Damn all of them for never giving me anything for free.

Also Creig, Maybe they are not being given "compensation" for advising other posters, but perhaps they are given hardware for review, and to hopefully have a stronger understandings of the Pros of said company when doing what he normally does on a forum, which is give advice.

Apoppin, Whether or not you think that this type of marketting is unethical, does not mean that a person shows a lack of ethics by not holding the same beilief as you on the ethics of said marketing. This became an issue on the last AEG thread, please leave it out of this one, for me second guessing my ehtics is one of the 2 or three things in the world that bothers me and I consider it a personal attack. Not saying you have crossed that line yet but, just warning in advance since I remember the rampage you went on with the last one.

i will call it as i see it . . .
. . . and i really don't care what you "consider" personal or not . . . if you're really 'bothered' take it to F.I.

nVidia's use of Viral marketing is unethical
:thumbsdown:

spin it all you want

I am Not saying that your wrong to find it unethical, I am just asking that you not take stabs at other peoples ehtics just because you disagree with them. If you read carefully I was refering to the Last AEG thread where every post had at least one jab at someones Ethics. You haven't quite got to that point here, and I am just asking as a fellow poster that you avoid doing so again, and just not for me but anybody posting on this thread.

what "again"?

my "jabs" are directed at the Viral marketing Program and the companys that employ this garbage.
===============

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Ronin
@apoppin

You're simply extremely cynical, and it's sad. My god, man, do you actually look at what you post, and is this how you act IRL?

sad to you, perhaps

i don't envy your "real" life and i don't pay much attention to your posts [unless directly addressed]

And that means what? It's sad to most. 20k posts of cynicism means you have nothing better to do than to post your drivel here (oh, and emoticon the death out of us).

"most"? you don't speak for even a tiny part of the community here.

and What's the difference? .. . . you post your drivel here. . . . i don't like it and i avoid reading it [unless addressed by you] and i clearly haven't missed anything useful.
:thumbsdown:

. . . and now we know 'who' and 'why'
damage control indeed

 

[JimmyH]

I think we can all agree that deceptive advertising is morally wrong. FTC defines an ad as deceptive if it contains a statement or omits information (eg NDA) that is LIKELY to mislead consumers acting reasonably under the circumstances. For the sophisticated vid card consumer nothing beats vid card + hot deals forums for the best deals on vid cards. Viral marketing is on par with spam e-mail, junk mail, and annoying telemarketers for those who recognize it exists. Its worse for those who don?t or CAN'T recognize it.

The scary aspect of viral marketing is its impact on young children. 64% of kids aged 5-14 play games on the internet (US Dept. of Ed. 2003). Video card forums are extremely vulnerable to viral marketing. Look at the target audience for video games, the young and ergo naïve. Young kids just want a card to play CS, HL2, BF2, COD etc? The majority here want kids on the forum lead to their best value card be it ATI or Nvidia.

When I was younger, I found forums extremely influencial. It lead me to the Verite v2200, v3 2000, geforce 256 sdr, Radeon le, 8500 le, geforce3 ti200, 9800np etc? I recently bought my 10yr old niece a 6600gt to play Railroad Tycoon 3, the Sims and UT2k4. It?s a shame guerrilla (viral) marketing has made video card forums a dangerous place for children.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: schtuga
Do you think this was called from Nvidia?
I don't think Chris was. Bad business move,I would've handled it much differently.
I think Chris just couldn't take it.And felt he had to say something

Well if Chris did it on his own accord, I applaud him for it though he still did the best he could to defend nVidia/AEG - its in his interest to. I wouldn't bad mouth the company I worked for so why would he or any other AEG member highlight the viral tactics of AEG/nVidia, right?

Likely an email went out from AEG to it's "focus group members" (some or all) asking to the disclose their membership to do some damage control along with the statement on shack news. The message in all 3 is the same:

"We're only there to give back feedback.' "We don't sway opinions."

:roll:

When I saw Chris Ray's post, and then all the witch hunt assumptions here, I thought it was time to set the record straight and let the chips fall where they may.

You can believe me that Chris and I don't agree on many things, or coordinate on anything.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: JimmyH
I think we can all agree that deceptive advertising is morally wrong. FTC defines an ad as deceptive if it contains a statement or omits information (eg NDA) that is LIKELY to mislead consumers acting reasonably under the circumstances. For the sophisticated vid card consumer nothing beats vid card + hot deals forums for the best deals on vid cards. Viral marketing is on par with spam e-mail, junk mail, and annoying telemarketers for those who recognize it exists. Its worse for those who don?t or CAN'T recognize it.

The scary aspect of viral marketing is its impact on young children. 64% of kids aged 5-14 play games on the internet (US Dept. of Ed. 2003). Video card forums are extremely vulnerable to viral marketing. Look at the target audience for video games, the young and ergo naïve. Young kids just want a card to play CS, HL2, BF2, COD etc? The majority here want kids on the forum lead to their best value card be it ATI or Nvidia.

When I was younger, I found forums extremely influencial. It lead me to the Verite v2200, v3 2000, geforce 256 sdr, Radeon le, 8500 le, geforce3 ti200, 9800np etc? I recently bought my 10yr old niece a 6600gt to play Railroad Tycoon 3, the Sims and UT2k4. It?s a shame guerrilla (viral) marketing has made video card forums a dangerous place for children.

LMAO!

Save the children from Rollo posting benchmarks when he gets a new card to try!

:laugh:

 

[Painman]

Here's why I would be MIGHTY PISSED if I were the owner of a site that hosted a forum, and discovered that certain members were working Quid Pro Quo with manufacturers and/or their marketers to provide any sort of marketing service: It's theft, in a way. As site owner, *I* should be getting some sort of Quid Pro Quo for hosting ANY marketing material for ANY company that is put out there at the behest of said company - that's how I pay my ISP host and put food on my table, eh? Viral marketers would be in my view, parasites.

If it were my site, these marketers would be perma-banned on the spot, and I would work to incorporate legal language into my site's Acceptable Use policy re: the practice.
I would not tolerate companies performing their marketing business on my dime!

 

[Janooo]

The end result is that anybody says anything good about NV and I'll get suspicious.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: schtuga
Do you think this was called from Nvidia?
I don't think Chris was. Bad business move,I would've handled it much differently.
I think Chris just couldn't take it.And felt he had to say something

Well if Chris did it on his own accord, I applaud him for it though he still did the best he could to defend nVidia/AEG - its in his interest to. I wouldn't bad mouth the company I worked for so why would he or any other AEG member highlight the viral tactics of AEG/nVidia, right?

Likely an email went out from AEG to it's "focus group members" (some or all) asking to the disclose their membership to do some damage control along with the statement on shack news. The message in all 3 is the same:

"We're only there to give back feedback.' "We don't sway opinions."

:roll:

When I saw Chris Ray's post, and then all the witch hunt assumptions here, I thought it was time to set the record straight and let the chips fall where they may.

You can believe me that Chris and I don't agree on many things, or coordinate on anything.

so, you are telling the truth? . . . now . . . i guess up-till-now was 'make believe'
:disgust:

and frankly, i find it hard to believe you "just decided" 'on your own' "to set the record straight"

i know 'damage control' and i can see someone's strings getting pulled
:Q



'bout time to drop that 'fair and balanced' crap outta your sig, don't you think?

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: Painman
Here's why I would be MIGHTY PISSED if I were the owner of a site that hosted a forum, and discovered that certain members were working Quid Pro Quo with manufacturers and/or their marketers to provide any sort of marketing service: It's theft, in a way. As site owner, *I* should be getting some sort of Quid Pro Quo for hosting ANY marketing material for ANY company that is put out there at the behest of said company - that's how I pay my ISP host and put food on my table, eh? Viral marketers would be in my view, parasites.

If it were my site, these marketers would be perma-banned on the spot, and I would work to incorporate legal language into my site's Acceptable Use policy re: the practice.
I would not tolerate companies performing their marketing business on my dime!

Agreed. Either be public about your affiliation or get banned.

Oh. "Chalnoth" is the next one to come out over at beyond3d.

 

[RobertR1]

Rollo,

If you'd actually gotten to be an AT video mod, you think they would have rewarded you with a 3007FPW?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: Painman
Here's why I would be MIGHTY PISSED if I were the owner of a site that hosted a forum, and discovered that certain members were working Quid Pro Quo with manufacturers and/or their marketers to provide any sort of marketing service: It's theft, in a way. As site owner, *I* should be getting some sort of Quid Pro Quo for hosting ANY marketing material for ANY company that is put out there at the behest of said company - that's how I pay my ISP host and put food on my table, eh? Viral marketers would be in my view, parasites.

If it were my site, these marketers would be perma-banned on the spot, and I would work to incorporate legal language into my site's Acceptable Use policy re: the practice.
I would not tolerate companies performing their marketing business on my dime!

Agreed. Either be public about your affiliation or get banned.

Oh. "Chalnoth" is the next one to come out over at beyond3d.

Has Chalnoth come out of the AEG closet yet? I'm sure he will anyday now. Same goes for Wreckage.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: Painman
Here's why I would be MIGHTY PISSED if I were the owner of a site that hosted a forum, and discovered that certain members were working Quid Pro Quo with manufacturers and/or their marketers to provide any sort of marketing service: It's theft, in a way. As site owner, *I* should be getting some sort of Quid Pro Quo for hosting ANY marketing material for ANY company that is put out there at the behest of said company - that's how I pay my ISP host and put food on my table, eh? Viral marketers would be in my view, parasites.

If it were my site, these marketers would be perma-banned on the spot, and I would work to incorporate legal language into my site's Acceptable Use policy re: the practice.
I would not tolerate companies performing their marketing business on my dime!

Agreed. Either be public about your affiliation or get banned.

Oh. "Chalnoth" is the next one to come out over at beyond3d.

Has Chalnoth come out of the AEG closet yet? I'm sure he will anyday now. Same goes for Wreckage.

He just did:

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showpost.php?p=692095&postcount=630

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: RobertR1
Rollo,

If you'd actually gotten to be a AT video mod, you think they would have rewarded you with a 3007FPW?

How do you know they haven't already?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: Painman
Here's why I would be MIGHTY PISSED if I were the owner of a site that hosted a forum, and discovered that certain members were working Quid Pro Quo with manufacturers and/or their marketers to provide any sort of marketing service: It's theft, in a way. As site owner, *I* should be getting some sort of Quid Pro Quo for hosting ANY marketing material for ANY company that is put out there at the behest of said company - that's how I pay my ISP host and put food on my table, eh? Viral marketers would be in my view, parasites.

If it were my site, these marketers would be perma-banned on the spot, and I would work to incorporate legal language into my site's Acceptable Use policy re: the practice.
I would not tolerate companies performing their marketing business on my dime!

Agreed. Either be public about your affiliation or get banned.

Oh. "Chalnoth" is the next one to come out over at beyond3d.

Has Chalnoth come out of the AEG closet yet? I'm sure he will anyday now. Same goes for Wreckage.

He just did:

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showpost.php?p=692095&postcount=630

LMAO I KNEW it (told ya Pete), oh man nVidia/AEG are in major damage control right now. Seems they're trying to bring all their forum trolls out and try their best to make them seem benevolent.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Janooo
The end result is that anybody says anything good about NV and I'll get suspicious.

there should be a backlash . . .

sometimes the wolf takes a bullet

but a tough one survives and learns to be even more cunning

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Janooo
The end result is that anybody says anything good about NV and I'll get suspicious.

there should be a backlash . . .

sometimes the wolf takes a bullet

but a tough one survives and learns to be even more cunning

I can tell you now that I've decided to forego nVidia video cards in the future because of this AEG scam. People I trusted were obviously liars and pushing the AEG party line on me as well. Friends and family I advised to purchase nVidia cards will now be told to avoid them.

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Janooo
The end result is that anybody says anything good about NV and I'll get suspicious.

there should be a backlash . . .

sometimes the wolf takes a bullet

but a tough one survives and learns to be even more cunning

I can tell you now that I've decided to forego nVidia video cards in the future because of this AEG scam. People I trusted were obviously liars and pushing the AEG party line on me as well. Friends and family I advised to purchase nVidia cards will now be told to avoid them.

They won't see any of my money, that's for sure!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: Painman
Here's why I would be MIGHTY PISSED if I were the owner of a site that hosted a forum, and discovered that certain members were working Quid Pro Quo with manufacturers and/or their marketers to provide any sort of marketing service: It's theft, in a way. As site owner, *I* should be getting some sort of Quid Pro Quo for hosting ANY marketing material for ANY company that is put out there at the behest of said company - that's how I pay my ISP host and put food on my table, eh? Viral marketers would be in my view, parasites.

If it were my site, these marketers would be perma-banned on the spot, and I would work to incorporate legal language into my site's Acceptable Use policy re: the practice.
I would not tolerate companies performing their marketing business on my dime!

Agreed. Either be public about your affiliation or get banned.

Oh. "Chalnoth" is the next one to come out over at beyond3d.

Has Chalnoth come out of the AEG closet yet? I'm sure he will anyday now. Same goes for Wreckage.

He just did:

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showpost.php?p=692095&postcount=630

LMAO I KNEW it (told ya Pete), oh man nVidia/AEG are in major damage control right now. Seems they're trying to bring all their forum trolls out and try their best to make them seem benevolent.

from his post:

And until now, nVidia has not made it clear how they wanted to respond to the situation, so I saw no reason to worry about it

So now nVidia has made it clear that they want their trolls to respond publically.

Rollo . . . you are still not telling the truth. . . . you were ordered to 'come out'. :Q
:thumbsdown:

 

[nts]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
I can tell you now that I've decided to forego nVidia video cards in the future because of this AEG scam. People I trusted were obviously liars and pushing the AEG party line on me as well. Friends and family I advised to purchase nVidia cards will now be told to avoid them.

QFT. Same here.

And Rollo when did you become a member of this program? Wondering if this is another thing that got started in the NV30 days?

 

[apoppin]

i updated the guys in GH