I agree that having input from NVidia / ATI employees wouldn't be a bad thing. That said, the Rollo+AEG tactics shown at AT are a very bad thing. Their attempts at viral marketing has given them, companies that hire them, and members of their focus group, a horrible reputation here. Bottom line is that they've gotten a huge negative association now, justifiable or not. Anyone thinking of hiring their services ought to steer clear of them. Though it won't be the kiss of death ala the Arthur Anderson accounting scandal, but why would any company want to risk their reputation with AEG now?
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apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: Crusader
Hey, just because I'm taking the only reasonable ground here doesnt mean you must attack me personally.
If you really think banning Rollo will stop viral marketing then you are naive.
The REAL problem here is OT discussion. OCP doesnt have that problem
Marketers are impossible to root out anyway so thats a moot point.
Why is AEG even being discussed?????? This is OFFTOPIC material that needs to stay OUT of VIDEO.
Once you come up with the way to stop anyone from joining AT forums who is given free hardware from ATI or Nvidia.. let me know.. and we'll go with your plan.
Until then, nothing can be done about this fact of life.
Time to grow up, and stop posting off topic.
If they are marketers, and thus have a bias and are incorrect in what they post.. then you, being the "esteemed" member that you are could EASILY put them in their place right?
You surely, being the big man that you are chasing down Rollo, can defeat a lousy marketers information right?
Then whats the worry?
Afraid Rollo knows more than you about this stuff?
I know he does. He has connections with Nvidia.
I think hes a valuable addition to the boards and I would like more insiders to join, from both camps!
i'll let someone else answer you first
again i think it VERY strange that you just 'show up' - after claiming to be HERE for SIX years as Rollo's Crusader.
Doesn't anyone else find this calvery charge exceptionally 'good timing'
especially now that we have confirmed how Rollo and his cronies work to manage us?
You have said nothing new . . . just another pathetic apparently "paid for" testimonial for your hero.
Does nVidia/AEG really think all of us are that stupid?
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edited
Thats true, this isnt B3D.. but B3D holds much more credibility than you do. And I'm just pointing people towards B3D for a model.
I joined to raise awareness that there is more than one way to think, that AEG and Rollo are not the spawn of satan. I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
But I think its undeniable, some of the things I've said and when you can counter them.. please do.
1. If it isnt about VIDEO, it doesnt belong..
2. Insiders are a valuable addition to the boards
3. You cant stop "infiltration" (because even AT editors and DaveBauman get free hardware, are they not allowed to post here?)
4. If these marketers are utter fools, then make them out to be fools. .you think you are such hot stuff you can make Rollo look bad in a technical discussion, right?
5. Its clear that B3D is the most respected enthusiast forum, and has the most authentic ATI/NV employees.
6. Rollo is our only known corporate connection
7. We need hits, we need insiders, we as forum members want valid and insider information.
Let me know your responses to my points. If you dont have any good points, then just give up your struggling with the fact that I'm a newbie and have you completely worked up and getting very desperate to sidetrack the thread even more so than your kind has sidetracked this forum to the point where fresh ideas are needed.
I'm here with ideas. Are you? Or just hate towards me, Rollo and anyone else who stands in your way.
MegaWorks
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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
It?s good to see all of those nVidia marketing tools getting exposed. I believe this has to be one of the most humiliating things to happen to nVidia and it?s good to see this company?s arrogance sink in the sea. :beer:
But I got to tell you that they did pretty well on convincing people to buy Geforce cards, especially 15 years old kids.
What I don?t understand is that some members are actuality defending Rollo and company even after this news! Maybe they?re nVidia fanboys but still cmon! :roll:
And yes I prefer ATI cards because I have nothing to hide.
You invalidated your entire post with the last thing you said.
3/4 of this damn thread is ati fanbois taking free shots at rollo/nvidia, you guys are no better than he is.
What a load of sh!t! So now I'm equal to Rollo? Buddy this guy that you're defending is a liar and a propagandist. He's a marketing tool used by your favourite fanboy company nVidia to get more profits. :thumbsdown:
Well I?m sure it?s shocking news for you fanboys but you got your favourite company to blame, so stop pointing fingers at people who are angry by Rollo and AEG tactics. :roll:
Twisting again ..
B3D has more insiders because of the environment there.
1. The discussion that goes on there is purely technical (way more than what we can read in general reviews) which attracts these "insiders".
2. Forums are MODERATED. Trolls, spammers are quickly eliminated keeping the environment clean.
3. Goto 1
Um, you are the one worried about hits:
When I showed you AT forums already generate more hits, you flipped over to the "credibility" part. Nice try.
Rollo, our link to Nvidia? Wow just wow.
Fair enough Linus,I can accept that,I think he is just trying to get us all to be a little more open minded about this.
I know I came off sounding elitests,(and I tried to bite my tounge)but in all fairness,you compare him to Hitler because he feels ot should be banned,and then use a similar mentality,by condenming his opinion because of his post count.
Maybe he hasn't contributed in the past,but everyone has to start somewhere.
Me and apoppin don't agree totally on this subject,but through pm's we realized that we should respect everyones opinion regardless.He brought up many valid points,I don't agree with all of them but I certainly don't condenm him for it either.
The whole point of this thread(at least I thought it was) was to have a mature responsible discussion on how to deal with this,but it has been saturated with name calling and flaming.
I don't recall crusader attacking anyone personally in his first post,he was giving an opinion,which I though was welcomed here regardless of post count.(the fact is he supported Rollo)
early in this thread a "long time lurker first time poster" chastised Rollo and called him low,snake etc,and he was applauded instantly,but no one discredited him because of his post count.But if you have a different point of view then.................
Just trying to open some eyes up here and show the hypocritical behavior being displayed.(last statement wasn't a direct shot linus,just an overall evaluation of this thread as a whole.)
I know I came off sounding elitests,(and I tried to bite my tounge)but in all fairness,you compare him to Hitler because he feels ot should be banned,and then use a similar mentality,by condenming his opinion because of his post count.
Maybe he hasn't contributed in the past,but everyone has to start somewhere.
Me and apoppin don't agree totally on this subject,but through pm's we realized that we should respect everyones opinion regardless.He brought up many valid points,I don't agree with all of them but I certainly don't condenm him for it either.
The whole point of this thread(at least I thought it was) was to have a mature responsible discussion on how to deal with this,but it has been saturated with name calling and flaming.
I don't recall crusader attacking anyone personally in his first post,he was giving an opinion,which I though was welcomed here regardless of post count.(the fact is he supported Rollo)
early in this thread a "long time lurker first time poster" chastised Rollo and called him low,snake etc,and he was applauded instantly,but no one discredited him because of his post count.But if you have a different point of view then.................
Just trying to open some eyes up here and show the hypocritical behavior being displayed.(last statement wasn't a direct shot linus,just an overall evaluation of this thread as a whole.)
Thats exactly what I've been saying, Ban anyone who continues to post AEG threads and accuses people of being agents.
They are important, but only as important as credibility. They go hand in hand, something I tried to illustrate for you but you didnt get it-
He isnt? I dont know why you are wowing.. if you cant get understand an admission from Rollo that hes hooked up with Nvidia (and never denied that fact actually).. then I dont know what to tell you pal.
Its very clear from an outside perspective this is about hate, not justice. Any justice it was about has been twisted beyond all recognition.
WTF??????? that does not make any sense, those people should be un-banned. I vote Rollo for douche of the year award.
apoppin
Lifer
as i said before up to now there is ZERO reason to take you seriously
i have real trouble with your claim that you have been lurking here 6 years but just decided to just start posting today as Rollo's Crusader.
expand on that please
Thank you, I also am just trying to inject some reason here and present a different way of looking at things... instead of pure hysteria.
It is clear drastic measures need to be taken in ATV.
Though I'm afraid the root of the matter is MODERATION. Stopping the offtopic posting, including this AEG business.
The truth of the matter on video cards, will rise.. no marketer can stop the truth.
Banning Rollo is more out of fear than a reality. Theres way too many people with an agenda here.
Thats clear because you cant ban Rollo and stop viral marketing.. so whats the point? To satisfy an angry mob?
Give him a vacation. But hes a confirmed connection with NV, something no one is going to say is a bad thing.
Plenty of people get free hardware, we cant stop people who get free hardware or paid by Nvidia to post favorable posts from being identified here..
1. Things have a tendency to go offtopic. If it's not video, no it doesn't belong. BUT, I do not believe you should ban anyone and everyone who goes offtopic. We are human and make mistakes. A vacation if it's bad...a warning or locked thread otherwise. Bans are only if you do something pretty bad.
2. Insiders are ONLY valuable if we know up front. People like Rollo and others should be banned because they are using dirty tactics to mislead potential buyers to buy a product. You are defending people like this. I do not agree with this.
3. No you can never stop Infiltration. But does that mean we should just open up our borders to everyone? We should try to crack down on these people and find out who they are if possible. Just because it's hard, doesn't mean we should give up. We KNOW that AT Editors and Dave get free products. I NEVER said people like that should not be allowed to post here. There are people from quite a few companies here. I used to work for Microsoft myself! But I never lied about the fact and those people don't either. They are upfront.
4. A technical discussion with Rollo (or any other marketing person)? You do realize our problems with him are NOT that he may know quite a bit about video. It's the fact that he's a lying dirty snake who's paid to influence potential buyers, and he's not honest about his intentions. He's also fed stat sheets and other marketing propaganda. Anyone can sound smart when the answers are in front of them.
5. Guess what? You can quit talking about B3D. This isn't B3D and we don't care. Understand? You can stick your head up their butts on those forums. Don't do it here. They are not the world?s greatest forums. That's your opinion.
6. Wrong. There are quite a few corporate connections here. Intel, Microsoft and SwiftInk to name a few. Again, if you were any part of these forums, you'd know that.
7. "WE" don't need anything. No one but you is talking about this hits BS. Anandtech forums is one of the larger forums on the internet. I think what Anand has done from the start, and his team is highly admirable. They have grown from a small website started by a boy in his home, to one of the most respected computer websites in the world. For some "noob" to walk around and keep talking B3D this, we need hits that...is a disgrace. You have NEVER done anything for these forums, yet you keep acting like they are all the sudden hurting for a fan base! IT's an insane notion.
This is the last time I'm going to respond to you. You can keep going on your "crusade" and thinking you know whats best for the forums. I'll leave that to the people who run it and know whats really going on with their business.
What is there to expand on other than to take this thread further offtopic?? Is that the kind of forum poster that you are?!
You might want to look in the mirror when you think about the true root problem of this forum is!
I will respond to your question in PM!
You need to concentrate on ideas, not worrying about PEOPLE.
Lets see if other members agree with you regarding Rollo being our link with Nvidia. The thought is laughable at best.
Rollo initially implied that he was an Nvidia link for AT and banning him would have indirect implications and now you are treading the same path. (havent suggested anything about implications so far
)And nice job quickly editing out the part where you attacked me, sneaky but nice.
Never mind the fact that he name calls, says someone is a "fine argument for abortion", and says nts's wife passes him information out of "gratitude". That is just flat out pathetic to say to someone. I have serious doubts he would say something that like that irl. Its pretty sad that mods ban other people (allegedly) who suggested (and were right) that he was in AEG, and keep him with all the insults he slings. But hey, these forums have been going down hill for a long time now. HardOCP's was the same way, but their mods stepped it up, and gave out plenty of bans for such acts. It is now much better. Mods around here dont seem to care.
apoppin
Lifer
nonsense and further FUD
credentials please.
you CLAIM that you are here 6 years - and are somewhat knowledgeable about ATF - and suddenly . . . one day . . . you start posting just to Crusade for Rollo.
Mighty damn convenient
not worry about people? we are having a "people" problem right now with "trust" because of AEG/nvidia/Rollo's mismanagement of our forum and you ask us to trust you?
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pardon me if i am skeptical . . . especially now
Originally posted by: crazydingo
Lets see if other members agree with you regarding Rollo being our link with Nvidia. The thought is laughable at best.
Rollo initially implied that he was an Nvidia link for AT and banning him would have indirect implications and now you are treading the same path. (havent suggested anything about implications so far
And nice job quickly editing out the part where you attacked me, sneaky but nice.
I didnt attack you, i just said you would probably be banned if the rules were enforced. I dont watch you closely enough to be able to make such a claim though, so I retracted it. Fair enough? I think so.
But dude, Rollo IS a link with Nvidia..
If they didnt agree.. then isnt that outright denial? Please elaborate for me..
Originally posted by: apoppin
nonsense and further FUD
credentials please.
you CLAIM that you are here 6 years - and are somewhat knowledgeable about ATF - and suddenly . . . one day . . . you start posting just to Crusade for Rollo.
Mighty damn convenient
not worry about people? we are having a "people" problem right now with "trust" because of AEG/nvidia/Rollo's mismanagement of our forum and you ask us to trust you?
:Q
pardon me if i am skeptical . . . especially now
Why does someone keep standing up for others who do not deserve to be here? Why would someone say this person is the only connection to nVidia (Not true because I've done a trade with someone who's worked for nVidia before through these forums).?
It's an obvious tactic to help this person not get banned in the name of marketing. His white knight has arrived and they'll do their best to try and right the ship so to speak. The best thing to do is to ignore this person and move on.
The best thing we can probably do as a community is to ask AT to remove these people, unless they are willing to come forward with their intentions. If in the past they have lied to people and influenced others..they should be gone. Personally I think that's the best course of action, but how others feel might be different.
5150Joker
Diamond Member
Hmm lets see Crusader just joined and has a sig. advocating marketing shills. Yeah I wonder if this guy is an alter ego of some shills here and/or another AEG guy that's been lurking. Either way, you're a noob here, your opinions don't carry much if any weight.
Why would I be banned? And what rules? Yours ? LMAO.Originally posted by: Crusader
Originally posted by: crazydingo
Lets see if other members agree with you regarding Rollo being our link with Nvidia. The thought is laughable at best.
Rollo initially implied that he was an Nvidia link for AT and banning him would have indirect implications and now you are treading the same path. (havent suggested anything about implications so far
And nice job quickly editing out the part where you attacked me, sneaky but nice.
I didnt attack you, i just said you would probably be banned if the rules were enforced. I dont watch you closely enough to be able to make such a claim though, so I retracted it. Fair enough? I think so.
But dude, Rollo IS a link with Nvidia..
If they didnt agree.. then isnt that outright denial? Please elaborate for me..
If I didnt start this thread, somebody else would have done it. Its not like I'm creating AEG threads every hour ...
Either way its pretty clear that a mere mention of AEG pricks you deep inside.
I think I should clear this for you. Rollo is a part of AEG's program, Nvidia could care less.
Actually I think the mods do care and are taking time because they want to clean it up. To make a policy against company shills takes some thinking as you don't want to ban all participation by company members.
apoppin
Lifer
well, "pal" . . . i think you can guess . .. "dude"
:roll:
someone is taking us for really stupid
:disgust:
i hope the mods will research the IPs
you guys can carry on the conversation with the Rollo clones . . . i don't need abuse from someone with little ethics. . . .
hopefully there will be a resolution . . . soon
I agree.. but if needed, there are extreme measures for extreme times.
I am not so much defending him, but dont agree with the means that people have brought up to fix it. His posts are his.. if he flames people, let him be banned.
But he should be treated as an equal, not banned for recieving beta drivers and hardware to test.
Yes he denied connections at times in different ways, but he came clean.. do you have no forgiveness? Or do you just have an incessant desire to get rid of him that overpowers everything?
Again, I think if you ban him he'll just come right back.
Banning him? Sure.. whatever. But its symbolic and wrong in principle and gives only a false sense of security.. as well as hurts the forum by losing a direct link to Nvidia that we know of.. now.
Who cares if he sounds smart? He has valid info does he not?
I dont see the problem, unless its jealousy?
As far as I know, hes A) Not under contract to post anything, and B) Only here to assist the forum and provide feedback to Nvidia.
Someone like that is going to be here to do that for all video companies. And I really hope Matrox/NV/ATI have some employees here to answer our questions.
I would really like to see them come out like Rollo did, so we can pit them against each other and learn more, get more info.
The companies dont want this to happen.
That was uncalled for. But its the most respected video forum on the net and they are dealing with the exact same situation.
Well, I am a member now. Feel free to educate instead of ridicule. Convince me to join your side through truth, not being like that.
More personal attacks, but I have done as much for this forum as you have.
I'd paid the bills by my eyes viewing their ads for years now.
Yes, and I hope they see that not everyone sees things your way. All I want is to show that there is no solidarity in this matter from the enthusiast standpoint.
Originally posted by: apoppin
well, "pal" . . . i think you can guess . .. "dude"
:roll:
someone is taking us for really stupid
:disgust:
i hope the mods will research the IPs
you guys can carry on the conversation with the Rollo clones . . . i don't need abuse from someone with little ethics. . . .
hopefully there will be a resolution . . . soon
Amen
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