Nvidia viral marketing with AEG exposed !!! *UPDATED* *Poll Added*

[v8envy]

Originally posted by: PhatoseAlpha
Uh, isn't it kind of self defeating to get annoyed at personal attacks while making a post that is basically one big personal attack?

Shhh. We're immitating. It got him a some nice free hardware, maybe it'll work for the rest of us.</kidding>

 

[Spike]

Ok, I am curious here. Someone may have all-ready asked this question in the 6 pages of the thread so I probably missed it but what is the big deal? If I understand this whole thing right, some company (in this case nVidia) offered, through a marketing group, free hardware and pre-release stuff so that enthusiasts could try it out. The people they asked sometimes were prominent members on online forums. They then wanted them to give their opinions (hopefully good ones) so that others may buy that brand. If thats the case, what is the big deal?

If someone offered me some free hardware to test and their only request was that I let others know my thoughts (while not letting on that I got it as part of this group) then I would jump on it in a heartbeat. I spend lots of my hard earned cash so I can have the priveledge of trying out high end parts and then I give my opinions online to others. If I got the parts for free that would be way freaking cool.

I can understand anger if someone was paid to promote a product but as far as I can tell people are given the products and told to respond about them online. Whats the big deal?

-spike

EDIT* I'm not trying to be argumentative here, it's just that I am really curious why everyone is so heated about this. Seems like something almost anyone here would do if they had a similar opportunity.

 

[v8envy]

Originally posted by: Spike


EDIT* I'm not trying to be argumentative here, it's just that I am really curious why everyone is so heated about this. Seems like something almost anyone here would do if they had a similar opportunity.

The whole issue is a company (AEG) whose charter is to 'manage' online communities, create product awareness and positive product buzz for your company and its products are suddenly spinning their image into a beta test program.

Not everyone wants the anandtech forum community 'managed', hence the screaming.

That said, once again, AEG is not as evil as some other possibilities. I'd rather their gentle coersion than paid monkeys spamming.

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: PhatoseAlpha
Uh, isn't it kind of self defeating to get annoyed at personal attacks while making a post that is basically one big personal attack?

Personal attacks are okay, didn't you read my post?

Rollo feels they're acceptable, & apparently the mods do too, or he'd have been banned ages ago.

I say we all imitate him now. Let's all be flaming fanbois :roll:

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: Ronin
This is partially true. I've yet not to get the latest and greatest from both companies at some point (save Crossfire, I'm afraid. ATi was supposed to send me a preconfigured box before Christmas and it never materialized), but nVIDIA has been slightly more giving when I have requests (or when I get random shipments).

On the heels of this, while I didn't get a Crossfire box (or card, for that matter), upon arriving into the office about 10 minutes ago (I was working from home most of today), I found a box from ATi waiting for me with a X1900XTX in it. NOW I can actively compare a 512MB GTX and a X1900XTX and provide results. Expect a comparison thread with ONLY benchmark results (and perhaps a personal opinion here and there).

Back to your regularly scheduled topic.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: v8envy
That said, once again, AEG is not as evil as some other possibilities. I'd rather their gentle coersion than paid monkeys spamming.

I'd rather NEITHER.

I don't think it's too much to expect, either.

The only trouble is that the focus of these boards needs to go back to hardware somehow. I really hope that the mods are discussing this and will take things seriously and ban the people involved in AEG.

If they don't do it, noone will trust anyone on these boards, and what was once a respectable board will very quickly become a glorified finger-pointing match.

 

[PhatoseAlpha]

*chuckle* Uh, right. Sorry for trying to read between the lines. So, you seem to be enjoying your freedom to launch those attacks. Shouldn't that be a instead of a :|?

 

[Spike]

Originally posted by: v8envy

Originally posted by: Spike


EDIT* I'm not trying to be argumentative here, it's just that I am really curious why everyone is so heated about this. Seems like something almost anyone here would do if they had a similar opportunity.

The whole issue is a company (AEG) whose charter is to 'manage' online communities, create product awareness and positive product buzz for your company and its products are suddenly spinning their image into a beta test program.

Not everyone wants the anandtech forum community 'managed', hence the screaming.

That said, once again, AEG is not as evil as some other possibilities. I'd rather their gentle coersion than paid monkeys spamming.

But show me the managing, where is it??? If "managing" is a few people spouting off on how awesome the nVidia hardware they have is then great, thats what the forum is for. We also have people on both sides spouting off on how great the hardware is they DON'T have so who would you believe more?

Personally I, like pretty much everyone else here, look to reviews, benchmarks, and then peoples opinions on the cards. If I have a question about a specific nVidia card who better to ask than Rollo? If I have a question on a specific ATI card there are those here (though I don't have any exact names as my shopping lately has been on the green side) that I would ask about that, not the other way around. As Rollo and others have the hardware I am curious about why not ask them?

-spike

PS. here is the usual disclosure that I am not a biased towards either company, I like them both, blah blah. Truth be told I bought a 7800GT simply because you could not (and still can't) touch it's performance for $300 or less. If I had $500 you can bet your left nut that I would have purchased a X1800XT (or now saved a little more for a X1900XT) as it is a freaking fast card.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Spike

Originally posted by: v8envy

Originally posted by: Spike


EDIT* I'm not trying to be argumentative here, it's just that I am really curious why everyone is so heated about this. Seems like something almost anyone here would do if they had a similar opportunity.

The whole issue is a company (AEG) whose charter is to 'manage' online communities, create product awareness and positive product buzz for your company and its products are suddenly spinning their image into a beta test program.

Not everyone wants the anandtech forum community 'managed', hence the screaming.

That said, once again, AEG is not as evil as some other possibilities. I'd rather their gentle coersion than paid monkeys spamming.

But show me the managing, where is it??? If "managing" is a few people spouting off on how great the nVidia hardware they have is awesome then great, thats what the forum is for. We also have people on both sides spouting off on how great the hardware is they DON'T have so who would you believe more?

Personally I, like pretty much everyone else here, look to reviews, benchmarks, and then peoples opinions on the cards. If I have a question about a specific nVidia card who better to ask than Rollo? If I have a question on a specific ATI card there are those here (though I don't have any exact names as my shopping lately has been on the green side) that I would ask about that, not the other way around. As Rollo and others have the hardware I am curious about why not ask them?

-spike

PS. here is the usual disclosure that I am not a biased towards either company, I like them both, blah blah. Truth be told I bought a 7800GT simply because you could not (and still can't) touch it's performance for $300 or less. If I had $500 you can bet your left nut that I would have purchased a X1800XT (or now saved a little more for a X1900XT) as it is a freaking fast card.

The problem is you ask about an ATI card and some happy AEG member will stroll into the thread and crap ATI.

 

[Spike]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Spike

Originally posted by: v8envy

Originally posted by: Spike


EDIT* I'm not trying to be argumentative here, it's just that I am really curious why everyone is so heated about this. Seems like something almost anyone here would do if they had a similar opportunity.

The whole issue is a company (AEG) whose charter is to 'manage' online communities, create product awareness and positive product buzz for your company and its products are suddenly spinning their image into a beta test program.

Not everyone wants the anandtech forum community 'managed', hence the screaming.

That said, once again, AEG is not as evil as some other possibilities. I'd rather their gentle coersion than paid monkeys spamming.

But show me the managing, where is it??? If "managing" is a few people spouting off on how great the nVidia hardware they have is awesome then great, thats what the forum is for. We also have people on both sides spouting off on how great the hardware is they DON'T have so who would you believe more?

Personally I, like pretty much everyone else here, look to reviews, benchmarks, and then peoples opinions on the cards. If I have a question about a specific nVidia card who better to ask than Rollo? If I have a question on a specific ATI card there are those here (though I don't have any exact names as my shopping lately has been on the green side) that I would ask about that, not the other way around. As Rollo and others have the hardware I am curious about why not ask them?

-spike

PS. here is the usual disclosure that I am not a biased towards either company, I like them both, blah blah. Truth be told I bought a 7800GT simply because you could not (and still can't) touch it's performance for $300 or less. If I had $500 you can bet your left nut that I would have purchased a X1800XT (or now saved a little more for a X1900XT) as it is a freaking fast card.

The problem is you ask about an ATI card and some happy AEG member will stroll into the thread and crap ATI.

Dude, spend a little more time in ATOT, there is not a thread there with at least half the posts as meaningless dribble from some random poster, thats all part of the online forums, especially one this big. If I am asking a question about a nVidia card and some ati person spouts crap in it I can simply ignore them and focus on the person whow ACTUALLY HAS THE HARDWARE. Same goes the other way around. If I am looking for an honest opinion on a pieces of ATI hardware and some AEG guy comes in and spouts his mouth off I can just as easily ignore him.

This happens all the time, just now we can call out "AEG Whore!!!!!" where as before it was simply "fanboi". If people want specific, specialized information there are people to PM and other sites to go to. A site this big is great for general discussion and some good fact finding (as well as FUD finding) but it's just too darn big to avoid random posters.

-spike

EDIT* BTW, the "dude" comment was not meant to be offensive, I was just laughing as I typed that due to the completly and utterly useless random crap people post in others threads in ATOT. It makes the video forum look completly on track all of the time.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: v8envy

Originally posted by: GOREGRINDER
what is this "sleep" you speak of :shocked:?

need more coffee,gotta get more coffee,you guys want some coffee?,cuz i need some coffee,coffee coffee coffee!

Seriously, dude, go crash. That last thing of yours was like you left the keyboard unattended and some baked homeless bag lady edited your post. While communing with Elvis.

I couldn't figure out whether I should agree or argue with you, and in the end just decided to remain confused.

agreed. I'm glad everybody has lightened up.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: Ronin
This is partially true. I've yet not to get the latest and greatest from both companies at some point (save Crossfire, I'm afraid. ATi was supposed to send me a preconfigured box before Christmas and it never materialized), but nVIDIA has been slightly more giving when I have requests (or when I get random shipments).

On the heels of this, while I didn't get a Crossfire box (or card, for that matter), upon arriving into the office about 10 minutes ago (I was working from home most of today), I found a box from ATi waiting for me with a X1900XTX in it. NOW I can actively compare a 512MB GTX and a X1900XTX and provide results. Expect a comparison thread with ONLY benchmark results (and perhaps a personal opinion here and there).

Back to your regularly scheduled topic.

damn.. hook me up with some of these ! I'm broke!

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: v8envy
That said, once again, AEG is not as evil as some other possibilities. I'd rather their gentle coersion than paid monkeys spamming.

I'd rather NEITHER.

I don't think it's too much to expect, either.

The only trouble is that the focus of these boards needs to go back to hardware somehow. I really hope that the mods are discussing this and will take things seriously and ban the people involved in AEG.

If they don't do it, noone will trust anyone on these boards, and what was once a respectable board will very quickly become a glorified finger-pointing match.

I don't see the need to ban and I would still trust people even if they are on AEG. i rely on my on my own judgment rather than listen blindly anyway. If they have new/updated information I don't mind hearing them.

I'd rather see less flaming/ requests to ban other people though.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: nib95

Originally posted by: GOREGRINDER

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: GOREGRINDER
man some of you guys need to relax and get a damn girlfriend F-F-S,.....lol


so lemme get this straight this is sooo unethical and anyone who does it is unethical also,,..but only if its nvidia doing it because nvidia didnt run a coverup on it?

and at the same note people like morph in this thread and apoppin have stated that they dont hide thier favor of ati and thier products and give advise towards ati and suggest them constantly,..so what would be different about your views of ati if they gave you hardware as long as you do what your doing anyway?,.... does that make you unethical in the first place then?... or is it that you trust ati's products,... believe anyone who owns one that you suggest it too will be happy with thier purchase,.. because you believe it to be a high quality product,... which it is,.. your not promoting trash for a buck or 2,.. your portraying something you honestly believe in,.. and in return the company gives you the products you believe to be geniune, just as if you give a friend a piece of hardare that you dont need just because you know they love it (at least i would anyway and i have many times when i upgrade).... now,..nothing ati or nvidia puts out is trash,... so wtf?,... everyone is starting to call people assholes and unethical like they are on a high horse and better than everyone else is BS,..i see people bash nvidia all over the place for no reason other than thier own wanting,... so theres no other reason,.. you dont get anything out of it other than self pleasantries,... so what makes that ethical?,..

im well aware of how this works,,... im just curious to see who can also see both sides,.. or whos just being a jerk off about it

I don't think the ATI boys you mentioned have ever tried to convince someone to buy a $750 GTX 512 as an "investment" like Rollo did over a X1900XT. That in itself should be a clue as to how far a PR firm's pawn is likely to go to sell their product.

I just hope there are always reasonably neutral people to sort out the BS from this forum so people that actually need an opinion will be given an honest one.

any high end video card is an investment,..doesnt matter who you buy it from or what card it is,.. or who suggested you get it,..

and i believe rollo said that about the x1800xt not the x1900xt if i remember correctly,. with the x1900xt as far as ive seen he usually refers to 7900, which would be accurately assessed

Then you dont pay enough attention to his posts.
Over the last few weeks he's come up with enough different reasons to go for the 7800 GTX 512mb over the X1900. Some of them being, the GTX 512mb as an investment (rare card), the X1900 being 3+db louder, the ATI cards being un-reliable, apparenty his X1800 cannot run any 3D applications, he also only posts benchies which show the GTX 512mb in better light and other little comments here and there of similar standing.

Umm, that was me arguing with apoppin about the decibel difference Nib. And for accuracy's sake, it is anywhere from +6 to +8 decibels louder depending on which web review you read. Not +3dB. AND the X1800XL he purchased was a refurb. Rollo, amoung other, thought it may have been through the mill from a previous owner, possibly attributing to the problems he was/is having. Why don't you mention these things? Why can't people get the details right? This is how BS starts. Get your facts straight, and then post.

FYI: I myself would not consider a GTX512 for a purchase right now. Not with the X1900XTX being what it is, and the G71 close. Does not make sense. It does appear that a bunch of people do not share my sentiments as all the GTX512's seem to be selling out again. I don't understand it.

 

[beggerking]

I thought the decibel forum was solved by 3rd party cooler... oh well..

ya I agree with you keys. 7800gtx 512mb is way too expensive when a 1900xtx is offering comparable performance for much less.

 

[seanp789]

i dont know why anyone is suprised by this.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: beggerking
I thought the decibel forum was solved by 3rd party cooler... oh well..

ya I agree with you keys. 7800gtx 512mb is way too expensive when a 1900xtx is offering comparable performance for much less.

decibel forum? you mean thread? Yes, anyone can buy an aftermarket cooler or water to quiet 'er down. But that wasn't the point of my post. The point was all the inaccuracies and details left out when someone posts. Like Nib did. All it does is start, or add to problems.

 

[v8envy]

Originally posted by: Spike


But show me the managing, where is it??? If "managing" is a few people spouting off on how awesome the nVidia hardware they have is then great, thats what the forum is for. We also have people on both sides spouting off on how great the hardware is they DON'T have so who would you believe more?

I can't, not without knowing who the AEG people are. Some of Rollo's more insane claims make sense in light of AEG (see: the whole GTX512 at a grand as an investment thing). Point out more shills to me, and I'll show you spin.

At a minimum, you get a presence of enough rational, knowlegeable people with a particular company's brand in their .sigs, and the casual observer erroneously concluces that buying the same hardware is a good idea. If 9 out of 10 dentists recommend trepaning for a toothache, the one sane guy will look like a loonball and you'll wind up with a hole in your head.

I got caught by this. See: my conclusion that NV fans are convinced enough by the superiority of the product to actually buy it and use it right now, and ATI fans still using last gen gear. Which, aside from Munky and 5150 getting X1900XTs last week, they still are. Is my observation still valid now in light of the fact that an unknown number of forum members got their latest gen nVidia gear for free and the ATI fans paid for theirs? Or is the conclusion to be drawn that last gen ATI gear is worth paying for, and NV gear is only worthy if it's free?

Don't answer that, I already know how stupid that statement is. But you should also see how it's possible to subtly twist perception by strategically allocating swag.

Personally I, like pretty much everyone else here, look to reviews, benchmarks, and then peoples opinions on the cards. If I have a question about a specific nVidia card who better to ask than Rollo? If I have a question on a specific ATI card there are those here (though I don't have any exact names as my shopping lately has been on the green side) that I would ask about that, not the other way around. As Rollo and others have the hardware I am curious about why not ask them?

Well heck, the marketing departments at both companies have the hardware, and would be glad to answer your questions. Why not go to them directly? Why not visit the company's web site to learn if their solution is the best?

I like end user opinions. I'd listen to salesguys if they knew what they were talking about as well. But I'd like to know who they are, if possible.

Disclosure: 4/6 of the machines in my house are ATI powered now. I own no high end gear from either company, but an X1900XT is likely in my future.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: v8envy

Seriously, dude, go crash. That last thing of yours was like you left the keyboard unattended and some baked homeless bag lady edited your post. While communing with Elvis.

I couldn't figure out whether I should agree or argue with you, and in the end just decided to remain confused.

LOL

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: nib95

Originally posted by: GOREGRINDER

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: GOREGRINDER
man some of you guys need to relax and get a damn girlfriend F-F-S,.....lol


so lemme get this straight this is sooo unethical and anyone who does it is unethical also,,..but only if its nvidia doing it because nvidia didnt run a coverup on it?

and at the same note people like morph in this thread and apoppin have stated that they dont hide thier favor of ati and thier products and give advise towards ati and suggest them constantly,..so what would be different about your views of ati if they gave you hardware as long as you do what your doing anyway?,.... does that make you unethical in the first place then?... or is it that you trust ati's products,... believe anyone who owns one that you suggest it too will be happy with thier purchase,.. because you believe it to be a high quality product,... which it is,.. your not promoting trash for a buck or 2,.. your portraying something you honestly believe in,.. and in return the company gives you the products you believe to be geniune, just as if you give a friend a piece of hardare that you dont need just because you know they love it (at least i would anyway and i have many times when i upgrade).... now,..nothing ati or nvidia puts out is trash,... so wtf?,... everyone is starting to call people assholes and unethical like they are on a high horse and better than everyone else is BS,..i see people bash nvidia all over the place for no reason other than thier own wanting,... so theres no other reason,.. you dont get anything out of it other than self pleasantries,... so what makes that ethical?,..

im well aware of how this works,,... im just curious to see who can also see both sides,.. or whos just being a jerk off about it

I don't think the ATI boys you mentioned have ever tried to convince someone to buy a $750 GTX 512 as an "investment" like Rollo did over a X1900XT. That in itself should be a clue as to how far a PR firm's pawn is likely to go to sell their product.

I just hope there are always reasonably neutral people to sort out the BS from this forum so people that actually need an opinion will be given an honest one.

any high end video card is an investment,..doesnt matter who you buy it from or what card it is,.. or who suggested you get it,..

and i believe rollo said that about the x1800xt not the x1900xt if i remember correctly,. with the x1900xt as far as ive seen he usually refers to 7900, which would be accurately assessed

Then you dont pay enough attention to his posts.
Over the last few weeks he's come up with enough different reasons to go for the 7800 GTX 512mb over the X1900. Some of them being, the GTX 512mb as an investment (rare card), the X1900 being 3+db louder, the ATI cards being un-reliable, apparenty his X1800 cannot run any 3D applications, he also only posts benchies which show the GTX 512mb in better light and other little comments here and there of similar standing.

Umm, that was me arguing with apoppin about the decibel difference Nib. And for accuracy's sake, it is anywhere from +6 to +8 decibels louder depending on which web review you read. Not +3dB. AND the X1800XL he purchased was a refurb. Rollo, amoung other, thought it may have been through the mill from a previous owner, possibly attributing to the problems he was/is having. Why don't you mention these things? Why can't people get the details right? This is how BS starts. Get your facts straight, and then post.

Are you gonna boil over a lil tea pot?

 

[M0RPH]

On a lighter note, I thought I'd pull this up for those who haven't seen it, since it's just about the funniest thing I've ever read in this forum "Did you order the code red on ATI?" ROFL

Originally posted by: JimmyH
The following is a fictional story and any relation to any real person is purely coincidental.

Rolloid: You want answers?

Apop: I think I'm entitled to them.

Rolloid: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has advertising. And some of that marketing is guerilla marketing done by greedy men w/ expensive SLI rigs. Who?s gonna do it? You? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Turtle and curse the Guerilla Marketers. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that?s Turtle?s ban, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives? You don?t want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don?t talk about at parties, you want me doing guerrilla marketing. You need me. We use words like honor, objectivity, unbiased opinions? we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use?em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor inclinations to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very DECEPTION I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it!! I?d rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up an SLI 7800GTX rig and stand a post. Either way, I don?t give a damn what you think you?re entitled to!

Apop: Did you order the code red on ATI?

Rolloid: (quietly) I did the job they (Guerrilla Marketers) sent me to do.

Apop: Did you order the code red on ATI?

Rolloid: You?re goddam right I DID!!

 

[Ronin]

I have to admit I burst out laughing when I read that.

 

[imported_JamesDax]

ROTFLMAO!! At this entire thread.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Spike

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Spike

Originally posted by: v8envy

Originally posted by: Spike


EDIT* I'm not trying to be argumentative here, it's just that I am really curious why everyone is so heated about this. Seems like something almost anyone here would do if they had a similar opportunity.

The whole issue is a company (AEG) whose charter is to 'manage' online communities, create product awareness and positive product buzz for your company and its products are suddenly spinning their image into a beta test program.

Not everyone wants the anandtech forum community 'managed', hence the screaming.

That said, once again, AEG is not as evil as some other possibilities. I'd rather their gentle coersion than paid monkeys spamming.

But show me the managing, where is it??? If "managing" is a few people spouting off on how great the nVidia hardware they have is awesome then great, thats what the forum is for. We also have people on both sides spouting off on how great the hardware is they DON'T have so who would you believe more?

Personally I, like pretty much everyone else here, look to reviews, benchmarks, and then peoples opinions on the cards. If I have a question about a specific nVidia card who better to ask than Rollo? If I have a question on a specific ATI card there are those here (though I don't have any exact names as my shopping lately has been on the green side) that I would ask about that, not the other way around. As Rollo and others have the hardware I am curious about why not ask them?

-spike

PS. here is the usual disclosure that I am not a biased towards either company, I like them both, blah blah. Truth be told I bought a 7800GT simply because you could not (and still can't) touch it's performance for $300 or less. If I had $500 you can bet your left nut that I would have purchased a X1800XT (or now saved a little more for a X1900XT) as it is a freaking fast card.

The problem is you ask about an ATI card and some happy AEG member will stroll into the thread and crap ATI.

Dude, spend a little more time in ATOT, there is not a thread there with at least half the posts as meaningless dribble from some random poster, thats all part of the online forums, especially one this big. If I am asking a question about a nVidia card and some ati person spouts crap in it I can simply ignore them and focus on the person whow ACTUALLY HAS THE HARDWARE. Same goes the other way around. If I am looking for an honest opinion on a pieces of ATI hardware and some AEG guy comes in and spouts his mouth off I can just as easily ignore him.

This happens all the time, just now we can call out "AEG Whore!!!!!" where as before it was simply "fanboi". If people want specific, specialized information there are people to PM and other sites to go to. A site this big is great for general discussion and some good fact finding (as well as FUD finding) but it's just too darn big to avoid random posters.

-spike

EDIT* BTW, the "dude" comment was not meant to be offensive, I was just laughing as I typed that due to the completly and utterly useless random crap people post in others threads in ATOT. It makes the video forum look completly on track all of the time.

Your standards are not everyone's standards. I can understand if you like your threads being derailed, but other people don't. Maybe you should spend some time in mobo?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: nib95

Originally posted by: GOREGRINDER

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: GOREGRINDER
man some of you guys need to relax and get a damn girlfriend F-F-S,.....lol


so lemme get this straight this is sooo unethical and anyone who does it is unethical also,,..but only if its nvidia doing it because nvidia didnt run a coverup on it?

and at the same note people like morph in this thread and apoppin have stated that they dont hide thier favor of ati and thier products and give advise towards ati and suggest them constantly,..so what would be different about your views of ati if they gave you hardware as long as you do what your doing anyway?,.... does that make you unethical in the first place then?... or is it that you trust ati's products,... believe anyone who owns one that you suggest it too will be happy with thier purchase,.. because you believe it to be a high quality product,... which it is,.. your not promoting trash for a buck or 2,.. your portraying something you honestly believe in,.. and in return the company gives you the products you believe to be geniune, just as if you give a friend a piece of hardare that you dont need just because you know they love it (at least i would anyway and i have many times when i upgrade).... now,..nothing ati or nvidia puts out is trash,... so wtf?,... everyone is starting to call people assholes and unethical like they are on a high horse and better than everyone else is BS,..i see people bash nvidia all over the place for no reason other than thier own wanting,... so theres no other reason,.. you dont get anything out of it other than self pleasantries,... so what makes that ethical?,..

im well aware of how this works,,... im just curious to see who can also see both sides,.. or whos just being a jerk off about it

I don't think the ATI boys you mentioned have ever tried to convince someone to buy a $750 GTX 512 as an "investment" like Rollo did over a X1900XT. That in itself should be a clue as to how far a PR firm's pawn is likely to go to sell their product.

I just hope there are always reasonably neutral people to sort out the BS from this forum so people that actually need an opinion will be given an honest one.

any high end video card is an investment,..doesnt matter who you buy it from or what card it is,.. or who suggested you get it,..

and i believe rollo said that about the x1800xt not the x1900xt if i remember correctly,. with the x1900xt as far as ive seen he usually refers to 7900, which would be accurately assessed

Then you dont pay enough attention to his posts.
Over the last few weeks he's come up with enough different reasons to go for the 7800 GTX 512mb over the X1900. Some of them being, the GTX 512mb as an investment (rare card), the X1900 being 3+db louder, the ATI cards being un-reliable, apparenty his X1800 cannot run any 3D applications, he also only posts benchies which show the GTX 512mb in better light and other little comments here and there of similar standing.

Umm, that was me arguing with apoppin about the decibel difference Nib. And for accuracy's sake, it is anywhere from +6 to +8 decibels louder depending on which web review you read. Not +3dB. AND the X1800XL he purchased was a refurb. Rollo, amoung other, thought it may have been through the mill from a previous owner, possibly attributing to the problems he was/is having. Why don't you mention these things? Why can't people get the details right? This is how BS starts. Get your facts straight, and then post.

Are you gonna boil over a lil tea pot?

Are you trying to be clever or something? Cause I have no idea what you just said.
You should be just as annoyed at someone for screwing up details especially when using them to make their points.