NVIDIA Turing Rumor Thread

[punkyDD]

Starting a separate thread for Turing rumors.

Original source:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-shoot-prices-through-the-roof-idUSKBN1FT2AW

"The new GPU gaming chip, code named Turing, is expected to be unveiled next month."


We have a Turing rumor thread already.

AT Moderator ElFenix

 

[LTC8K6]

What happened to Ampere?

 

[Bouowmx]

Name change possibly to avoid conflict with ARM processor designer: https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/c...n_nvidia_gaming_gpu_code_name_turing/du6jrsn/

 

[tviceman]

The second independent site to say Nvidia will reveal their next gen gaming chips next month. I expect late March reviews with early / mid April launch. In all honesty, Nvidia would be really dumb to let retailers be the sole gougers and reap all the extra massive profits. Since crypto currency is destroying graphics card prices and availability, I'm absolutely positive (without seeing proof) Nvidia will substantially raise MSRP prices out of the gate. I expect the GTX 2080 to go for $799-899, and if/when the mining craze dies down, we shall see a more "normal" price of $599-699. This is the first Nvidia release in a long time I haven't been looking forward to, only because of the current prices and GPU landscape. I'm running a 980 TI and would like to get 1080 TI performance at 1070 TDP levels for less than $500 and that just isn't going to happen.

 

[punkyDD]

Name change possibly to avoid conflict with ARM processor designer: https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/c...n_nvidia_gaming_gpu_code_name_turing/du6jrsn/

I don't think it's a name change. Ampere was always supposed to come after Volta, which means it's likely still a year or two away. Since GV100 came out over half a year ago maybe the architecture evolved enough that Nvidia felt it needed a new name.

 

[PeterScott]

Volta, Ampere, Turing, ... Shirley. I don't care what they call it. Just deliver it.

 

[Head1985]

The second independent site to say Nvidia will reveal their next gen gaming chips next month. I expect late March reviews with early / mid April launch. In all honesty, Nvidia would be really dumb to let retailers be the sole gougers and reap all the extra massive profits. Since crypto currency is destroying graphics card prices and availability, I'm absolutely positive (without seeing proof) Nvidia will substantially raise MSRP prices out of the gate. I expect the GTX 2080 to go for $799-899, and if/when the mining craze dies down, we shall see a more "normal" price of $599-699. This is the first Nvidia release in a long time I haven't been looking forward to, only because of the current prices and GPU landscape. I'm running a 980 TI and would like to get 1080 TI performance at 1070 TDP levels for less than $500 and that just isn't going to happen.

Me too.I dont care what Nv will release because:
1.GPU wars are over.AMD is dead in pc GPU market
2.Mining.99% of new cards will end up in miners hands anyway and rest 1% will cost like 1500-2000USD
3.First release will be again milking mid-range ala GTX2070/2080 which will not bring anything new on the table.I learned this with GTX1070 which didnt bring anything new vs 980TI and was overpriced like hell first 6 months.When comparing max oc vs max oc GTX1080 was like 10-20% faster than 980TI and GTX1070 was like 12% slower than 980TI.Nothing new in performance only in power consuption(and i dont care in power consuption)
4.First GPU woth buying will be GTX2080TI somwhere in 2019.It should be 50-60% faster than 1080TI unlike those mid-range 2070/2080 which will be hardly faster than overclocked 1080TI(GTX2070 will be again slower)

 

[Qwertilot]

I don't think it's a name change. Ampere was always supposed to come after Volta, which means it's likely still a year or two away. Since GV100 came out over half a year ago maybe the architecture evolved enough that Nvidia felt it needed a new name.

Depends if this is release or announcement - they announced Volta (as part of the Xavier SoC) back in GTC 2016 (September.), and then GV100 in May 2017.

Can definitely see (expect?) them at least trailing the next gen compute part this year sometime.

 

[Caveman]

Me too.I dont care what Nv will release because:
1.GPU wars are over.AMD is dead in pc GPU market
2.Mining.99% of new cards will end up in miners hands anyway and rest 1% will cost like 1500-2000USD
3.First release will be again milking mid-range ala GTX2070/2080 which will not bring anything new on the table.I learned this with GTX1070 which didnt bring anything new vs 980TI and was overpriced like hell first 6 months.When comparing max oc vs max oc GTX1080 was like 10-20% faster than 980TI and GTX1070 was like 12% slower than 980TI.Nothing new in performance only in power consuption(and i dont care in power consuption)
4.First GPU woth buying will be GTX2080TI somwhere in 2019.It should be 50-60% faster than 1080TI unlike those mid-range 2070/2080 which will be hardly faster than overclocked 1080TI(GTX2070 will be again slower)

On number 4.... Will it really be that long for 2080TI? Was hoping for mining bubble to burst and that card avail by this fall...

 

[Glo.]

Interesting thought BitsAndChips sent over Twitter:

What if Touring is Mining dedicated ASIC, Ampere is Gaming lineup, and Volta is HPC?

 

[Bouowmx]

I suppose a mining-optimized GPU would look like a small core (*06 level) with big memory bus (384 or 512 bit).

Has there been enough time (less than one year since graphics card price explosion) to design such dedicated processor?

 

[Head1985]

On number 4.... Will it really be that long for 2080TI? Was hoping for mining bubble to burst and that card avail by this fall...

1080TI is newest NV gaming gpu not even 1 year old.They tend to release new cards every 2 years so probably in march 2019 for GTX2080TI.
They will probably release another TITAN in 2018 which will have same performace as GTX2080TI=50-60% faster than 1080TI.

 

[LTC8K6]

1080TI is newest NV gaming gpu not even 1 year old.They tend to release new cards every 2 years so probably in march 2019 for GTX2080TI.
They will probably release another TITAN in 2018 which will have same performace as GTX2080TI=50-60% faster than 1080TI.

The non-ti cards tend to be released 9 months or so before the Ti cards. March 2019 for the 2080Ti would put the 2080 out in May or June 2018.
Ti cards seem to be the last ones out.

 

[Glo.]

https://www.techpowerup.com/241552/...ng-chip-jen-hsun-huang-made-to-save-pc-gaming

 

[Bouowmx]

As noble as making PC gaming great again is, media speculation is going off the deep end

 

[punkyDD]

As noble as making PC gaming great again is, media speculation is going off the deep end

Yeah agreed, that crypto report is BS. There's no way its specifically targeted at mining. The market is not stable or big enough for them to spend the massive amount of resources required to develop a specialized chip.

 

[Head1985]

Yeah agreed, that crypto report is BS. There's no way its specifically targeted at mining. The market is not stable or big enough for them to spend the massive amount of resources required to develop a specialized chip.

They swimming in money and have already 2 years monopoly in GPu market.They can do what ever they want lol.

 

[bfun_x1]

It's hard to get excited about these next generation of GPUs made from unobtainium.

 

[jpiniero]

It's hard to get excited about these next generation of GPUs made from unobtainium.

Actually I am thinking that nVidia might be bold enough to "go crazy" on production levels initially on Ampere/Turning... and if Crypto blows up then slash production levels back/to zero to get back in balance. Since AMD isn't going to release any GDDR6 products this year they have it basically to themselves.

 

[bfun_x1]

Actually I am thinking that nVidia might be bold enough to "go crazy" on production levels initially on Ampere/Turning... and if Crypto blows up then slash production levels back/to zero to get back in balance. Since AMD isn't going to release any GDDR6 products this year they have it basically to themselves.

I'm not sure if they can go crazy enough to exceed demand. If these new GPUs can mine they will be collected and delivered to cargo planes destined to Russia and Europe. Plebs like us wont get our hands on them unless we get lucky. A crypto crash might save us but who knows when or if that will happen.

 

[JTsyo]

From a business sense, it wouldn't make sense for them to release a mining card. Miners are happy enough buying regular video cards and that's raising prices for everyone. nvida can raise MSRP and have everyone pay more or release a mining card at a premium and miss out on the increased price from gamers. Only reason to release a mining card would be if someone else does and takes sales away.

 

[Glo.]

From a business sense, it wouldn't make sense for them to release a mining card. Miners are happy enough buying regular video cards and that's raising prices for everyone. nvida can raise MSRP and have everyone pay more or release a mining card at a premium and miss out on the increased price from gamers. Only reason to release a mining card would be if someone else does and takes sales away.

Lets say Nvidia designs 150 mm2 die sized GPU that gives the same amount of mining performance as Vega 56, consumes around 75W of power, and costs 399$.
Lets say 150 mm2 die sized GPU for gaming gives a third of the performance of dedicated mining GPU, but costs 150$, and uses 65W of power. What do you think is better for miners?

This is the benefit of custom Mining ASIC. It has a lot of benefits, for economy, power usage, GPU market.

ONLY the stupid would not cash on this occasion.

 

[JTsyo]

Lets say Nvidia designs 150 mm2 die sized GPU that gives the same amount of mining performance as Vega 56, consumes around 75W of power, and costs 399$.
Lets say 150 mm2 die sized GPU for gaming gives a third of the performance of dedicated mining GPU, but costs 150$, and uses 65W of power. What do you think is better for miners?

This is the benefit of custom Mining ASIC. It has a lot of benefits, for economy, power usage, GPU market.

ONLY the stupid would not cash on this occasion.

But why is it better for nVidia to sell one $400 cards than 3 $150 cards?

 

[Glo.]

But why is it better for nVidia to sell one $400 cards than 3 $150 cards?

Manufacturing costs, and profit margin.

Its better to sell one GPU on which you make 340$ than three on which you make 270$, total. When you will sell those three GPUs in first example - you will make 1020$, instead of 270$.