Nvidia to bundle Metro: Last Light with its GPUs

[Jaydip]

Well I have a suggestion really, observing that we contribute 50-60% of our time accusing others of being a fanboy why not add that to our signatures already? like "I am Pro Hulk" or "I love Ruby" this will significantly reduce the animosities around here.For the unbiased folks add something like "Sky is blue".

 

[BallaTheFeared]

It doesn't really matter if someone is bias or not, in fact they could have good reason to be bias.

The issue lies in the need to attack people, rather than what they're saying. Just because someone may be bias, that doesn't mean their posts/points/stance is bias, and if it is than it should be quite easy to point out the other side of the situation.

However it's much easier to attack people rather than refute what they say with facts, that might require effort, knowledge, and above all else, proof... Not quite as easy as name calling.

 

[Jaydip]

The problem is Balla very few of VCG threads stay on topic, there is little of substance besides accusing anyone of being a shill/fanboy etc etc.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

That's because you have the same group of people relentlessly entering threads all the time attacking individuals rather than their points while posting nothing relevant to the topic at hand.

I'm saying it doesn't matter if someone is a fanboy or not, refute their posts with actual facts (if they ever actually make any claims, it's rare for these people to actually say anything outside attacking other members).

People that can't have rational on topic discussions without resorting to name calling in tech forums need to go, simple as that. There is no way we can have legitimate technical discussions because not all things are equal, and they all quickly degrade into a steaming pile of this thread.

As soon as A is thought to, or shown to be better than B, B attacks A (visa versa), thread spirals out of control, and anyone wishing to have a serious discussion, avoids it - thread dies.

 

[SirPauly]

Ya can't stop it completely and may be constructive to dodge the forum mines before the thread explodes by simply ignore or place on ignore.

 

[Final8ty]

If people just kept to the facts then Bias/preference would not get in the way.
But that's not what happens, things get exaggerated, blown out of proportions and twisted and that can go for the plus and the negatives.

No good can come from it as some people just wont be fooled.

And then you have people who are not initially bias but run on hearsay.

 

[SirPauly]

To me, some level of bias and preference matter very much so considering how vast individual's subjective tastes, tolerances, thresholds and wallets are. What may be important to someone may not be another -- where one places value may differ from another. It's wonderful to read observations or why their choice was right for their needs.

Forums are a great place to share official data, facts, third party views, reviews, findings, investigations, personal preferences, which may encompass a great deal of subjective from value; to performance; to features; to gaming experiences, etc..

A little respect, kindness and tolerance goes a long way in forums. Forums are not ideal but again, there is a lot of good and personally don't allow idealism to be the enemy of good and simply post around forum mines and allow the moderators to moderate.

What difference does it matter if one is one sided or pro nVidia or pro AMD -- simply don't expect everyone to be extremely objective or balanced in forums.

I am pleased that both AMD and nVidia offer compelling choices for one's subjective taste, tolerance, threshold and wallet. When I read the bickering I have trouble understanding based on the the great choices one has to consider.

 

[f1sherman]

according to Nvidia:

It has got PhysX particles, PhysX disruption, PhysX turbulence...

I am guessing he forgot to mention at least Cloth, possibly Destruction

 

[Final8ty]

To me, some level of bias and preference matter very much so considering how vast individual's subjective tastes, tolerances, thresholds and wallets are. What may be important to someone may not be another -- where one places value may differ from another. It's wonderful to read observations or why their choice was right for their needs.

Forums are a great place to share official data, facts, third party views, reviews, findings, investigations, personal preferences, which may encompass a great deal of subjective from value; to performance; to features; to gaming experiences, etc..

A little respect, kindness and tolerance goes a long way in forums. Forums are not ideal but again, there is a lot of good and personally don't allow idealism to be the enemy of good and simply post around forum mines and allow the moderators to moderate.

What difference does it matter if one is one sided or pro nVidia or pro AMD -- simply don't expect everyone to be extremely objective or balanced in forums.

I am pleased that both AMD and nVidia offer compelling choices for one's subjective taste, tolerance, threshold and wallet. When I read the bickering I have trouble understanding based on the the great choices one has to consider.

Level of bias and preference should only matter to yourself and that because considering how vast individual's subjective tastes, tolerances, thresholds and wallets are. What may be important to someone may not be another -- where one places value may differ from another. It's wonderful to read observations or why their choice was right for their needs.

Which means you don't impose it on others, your idealism comment is doing exactly that.
When someone does not have your preference you have a habit of telling them that they should because of this and that when you should just accept that they don't have your preference, nothing wrong with you telling them why you personally like it, but to often you go beyond that.

 

[Final8ty]

It doesn't really matter if someone is bias or not, in fact they could have good reason to be bias.

The issue lies in the need to attack people, rather than what they're saying. Just because someone may be bias, that doesn't mean their posts/points/stance is bias, and if it is than it should be quite easy to point out the other side of the situation.

However it's much easier to attack people rather than refute what they say with facts, that might require effort, knowledge, and above all else, proof... Not quite as easy as name calling.

That's because you have the same group of people relentlessly entering threads all the time attacking individuals rather than their points while posting nothing relevant to the topic at hand.

I'm saying it doesn't matter if someone is a fanboy or not, refute their posts with actual facts (if they ever actually make any claims, it's rare for these people to actually say anything outside attacking other members).

People that can't have rational on topic discussions without resorting to name calling in tech forums need to go, simple as that. There is no way we can have legitimate technical discussions because not all things are equal, and they all quickly degrade into a steaming pile of this thread.

As soon as A is thought to, or shown to be better than B, B attacks A (visa versa), thread spirals out of control, and anyone wishing to have a serious discussion, avoids it - thread dies.

Well those are 2 good comments.

But lets give an example of how it should not be done.

Saying 7 series CF is totally broken as more than just a personal opinion when for others its acceptable with a bit of work, but for some others its not acceptable to have to do that bit of extra work to so it is totally broken for them.

There is a lot of comments lately that if someone does not want to have to do the extra work when going multi GPU then go SLI, no problem there, but that wont stop some trouble maker coming in and saying all you AMD ******* are in denial when that has not been the case at all and can only lead to one thing.

 

[SirPauly]

Level of bias and preference should only matter to yourself

Imho,

Absolutely not and destroys the importance of sharing views with others!

has got PhysX particles, PhysX disruption, PhysX turbulence...

Thanks, a lot, will share this!

 

[Final8ty]

Imho,

Absolutely not and destroys the importance of sharing views with others!

I don't think you understand my point.

Example: someone being biased towards Physx, how much they like it should have no bearing on me, that does not mean no discussion, how much i like it is what should be important to me, because it goes from being a discussion of views to dictating otherwise.
I have been told that i should like the implementation of Physx in a particular game just because that person likes it, that's not a sharing views, that's dictating and imposing.

He's telling me why he likes it, im telling him why i don't, that's fine, he telling me to like it, or me telling him not to like it is not fine.

 

[SirPauly]

One may need to ignore, place on ignore these posters and allow moderators to moderate.

PhysX may not be for everyone.

 

[Final8ty]

One may need to ignore, place on ignore these posters and allow moderators to moderate.

PhysX may not be for everyone.

I said an implementation of PhysX in a Particular game which is not saying PhysX Period.

 

[SirPauly]

Obviously, I have to place you on ignore.

 

[thilanliyan]

Obviously, I have to place you on ignore.

?

That's a bit harsh for stating his opinion.

 

[SirPauly]

NVIDIA Game Bundle Starts Today - Metro: Last Light w/ Select GeForce Cards

http://www.legitreviews.com/news/15419/

 

[Final8ty]

Obviously, I have to place you on ignore.

Go a head and an example of Hypocrisy at its most.
Sorry if you cant accept that that some people don't like all implementations of PhysX outright.

 

[SirPauly]

I just checked NewEgg and the Metro bundle is included -- nice to see bundle competition from AMD and nVidia.

 

[Muyoso]

NVIDIA Game Bundle Starts Today - Metro: Last Light w/ Select GeForce Cards

http://www.legitreviews.com/news/15419/

So their bundle is a single game? Wonder if they will add more games later and allow anyone who purchased a card after today to get it.

 

[bluesquare07]

Well those are 2 good comments.

But lets give an example of how it should not be done.

Saying 7 series CF is totally broken as more than just a personal opinion when for others its acceptable with a bit of work, but for some others its not acceptable to have to do that bit of extra work to so it is totally broken for them.

There is a lot of comments lately that if someone does not want to have to do the extra work when going multi GPU then go SLI, no problem there, but that wont stop some trouble maker coming in and saying all you AMD ******* are in denial when that has not been the case at all and can only lead to one thing.

Dude, the point is that everyone knows you're an AMD fanboy. You can beat around the bush and act like it doesn't matter all you want. That doesn't mean you don't make informative posts.

If bias and being a fanboy doesn't matter, why do all the AMD minions rip on keys all the time? Every single post he makes, he gets someone to reply with - "LOL U NV WHORE". He actually posts well thought out things. Do you remember when it was proven that AMD single cards suffered from latency issues? He pointed this out, so many of you denied it (even with the information) and talked a bunch of shit to him as a result. Just look at what NIGEL was saying before i got into the whole deal.

If crossfire needs additional work and is not currently in a playable state without third party applications, then there is no reason to recommend it and even then if you did, WITHOUT stating this. A consumer should not rely on a third party application to get his/her hardware running correctly or an 'acceptable' (in your terms) level. Also, 'acceptable' is not the same as what SLI offers. I thought this forum was supposed to recommend the best option to consumers, now it changed to acceptable? Even though it's proven that with these fixes, SLI is still a better option you'll have people still claiming crossfire is as good - that is where the issue is.

 

[Final8ty]

Dude, the point is that everyone knows you're an AMD fanboy. You can beat around the bush and act like it doesn't matter all you want. That doesn't mean you don't make informative posts.

If bias and being a fanboy doesn't matter, why do all the AMD minions rip on keys all the time? Every single post he makes, he gets someone to reply with - "LOL U NV WHORE". He actually posts well thought out things. Do you remember when it was proven that AMD single cards suffered from latency issues? He pointed this out, so many of you denied it (even with the information) and talked a bunch of shit to him as a result. Just look at what NIGEL was saying before i got into the whole deal.

If crossfire needs additional work and is not currently in a playable state without third party applications, then there is no reason to recommend it and even then if you did, WITHOUT stating this. A consumer should not rely on a third party application to get his/her hardware running correctly or an 'acceptable' (in your terms) level. Also, 'acceptable' is not the same as what SLI offers. I thought this forum was supposed to recommend the best option to consumers, now it changed to acceptable? Even though it's proven that with these fixes, SLI is still a better option you'll have people still claiming crossfire is as good - that is where the issue is.

When you can stop with the name calling i will address the point made.

 

[SirPauly]

A consumer should not rely on a third party application to get his/her hardware running correctly or an 'acceptable' (in your terms) level.

I believe that may be the case for many but as a tweaker, personally do rely on third party tools to receive the subjective best experience for me. For example: use nVinspector to allow for SGSSAA and the multitude of hybrid mode flexibility and adding negative or positive lod. Tools like SweetFX that may enhance gaming titles, specifically for SGSSAA and TXAA Gaming for me.

Third party tools that may go beyond reference abilities are very, very welcomed for AMD or nVidia hardware.

For me, the awareness for smooth frame-rate is welcomed based on not only smoother gaming and tools for AMD gaming but nVidia, too, so gamers as a whole may enjoy smoother gaming and the features and tools for their subjective tastes, tolerances, thresholds and wallets.

 

[SirPauly]

according to Nvidia:

It has got PhysX particles, PhysX disruption, PhysX turbulence...

I am guessing he forgot to mention at least Cloth, possibly Destruction

It was slide #49 and Jeff Fisher basically offered at the 1 hour - 48 minute mark, " PhysX particles, PhysX destruction, PhysX turbulence!"

Thanks, again, for the heads up!

 

[bluesquare07]

I believe that may be the case for many but as a tweaker, personally do rely on third party tools to receive the subjective best experience for me. For example: use nVinspector to allow for SGSSAA and the multitude of hybrid mode flexibility and adding negative or positive lod. Tools like SweetFX that may enhance gaming titles, specifically for SGSSAA and TXAA Gaming for me.

Third party tools that may go beyond reference abilities are very, very welcomed for AMD or nVidia hardware.

For me, the awareness for smooth frame-rate is welcomed based on not only smoother gaming and tools for AMD gaming but nVidia, too, so gamers as a whole may enjoy smoother gaming and the features and tools for their subjective tastes, tolerances, thresholds and wallets.

Think about this point though, here is what AMD is basically currently saying - in our forum member's point of view - "To get our cards to run at an acceptable level, you must install radeonpro and tweak/apply different settings, vsync or whatever it may be". Does that not sound wrong to you? SLI works very well right out of the box, as it is intended to.

I just have a problem with people recommending crossfire at this time when SLI is clearly the better option, that's all. 650ti Boost, 660, 660 ti, and 670, perform very well in SLI for the money. Price/Performance is what it is all about, isn't it ? Look into 650ti B and 660 for 1080p gaming.

BTW i'm actually really excited for this game and quite happy NV locked this in. Not for bundling, because i could care less but it will surely be optimized very well at launch and additional features from physx are always welcome