Nvidia to bundle Metro: Last Light with its GPUs

[Grooveriding]

Seriously. AMD seems to get all of the actual good games. Far Cry 3, Hitman Absolution, Sleeping Dogs, Bioshock Infinite, Crysis 3, etc. And Nvidia counters with a F2P bundle and Metro: Last Light?

You left out Battlefield 4 coming later this year as well :awe:

Metro: Last Light should be a great game, the first one was awesome. The F2P bundle was undoubtedly horrible garbage. World of Tanks is pretty decent and has a good player base. Planetside 2 is meh and Hawken is a steaming turd pile. This is ignoring that the in game cash gets you access to useless fodder in 3 games where 2 out of 3 are garbage.

 

[Sable]

The only "good ones" on your list is Bioshock, the rest were flops and failures.

Tomb Raider was decent as well but not on your list.



Seems some people are having trouble figuring this out, but as plainly as can be stated... Nvidia isn't in a position where they need to offer as good or better than AMD, they're ahead on all counts and on every score card that matters.

Wait wat? Far Cry 3 is a great game. Have I misunderstood your point?

I'm still bemused to this day how nvidia have an apparently better rep in the enthusiast community. The basic moron computer illiterate community have never heard of either nv or amd being better, they buy a complete system with whatever. (thats my interpretation in the UK anyway).

And enthusiasts know that both companies have their advantages, 7970ghz is just plain fast and was out first, 680 was faster on release and has physx (yawn) and cuda (yawn).

And PLEASE don't tell me the 680 was their midrange card and they could have released Titan any time they chose. 680 was their high end card because that's what they could release at that pricepoint at the time. Everything else is just talk.

Sorry, I waffle.

WHY are NV offering game incentives when in your opinion they don;t have to? When it's been said in fact by certain avid NV supporters that doing game deals is desperate and suchlike, WHY do NV feel they need to do the same? Are you going to call it also desperate? Trying to complete? Are AMD being unfair, forcing people to buy inferior hardware because they offer games so NV have to drag people the other way?

I know you don;t know the reason and can't answer for people who've decried amd's deals.

Anyway. competition most likely, NV thought AMD game deals were a good idea or were planning to do it all along. Who cares? Free games = win.

So. Game deals mean nothing to me, I have my 680 and it's badass. BUt for crossfire peoples or new builds the deals are great. Including the new NV deal.

What's my point? What ever card you choose at whatever pricepoint you have a damn good card but you get more good games with AMD card purchase. Call them desperate if you want but that's how it stands.

Cue Keys damage control. :zzz:

 

[Sable]

Also Blood Dragon is f*cking ace, so much fun. Not that I've played it.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Wait wat? Far Cry 3 is a great game. Have I misunderstood your point?

I'm still bemused to this day how nvidia have an apparently better rep in the enthusiast community. The basic moron computer illiterate community have never heard of either nv or amd being better, they buy a complete system with whatever. (thats my interpretation in the UK anyway).

And enthusiasts know that both companies have their advantages, 7970ghz is just plain fast and was out first, 680 was faster on release and has physx (yawn) and cuda (yawn).

And PLEASE don't tell me the 680 was their midrange card and they could have released Titan any time they chose. 680 was their high end card because that's what they could release at that pricepoint at the time. Everything else is just talk.

Sorry, I waffle.

WHY are NV offering game incentives when in your opinion they don;t have to? When it's been said in fact by certain avid NV supporters that doing game deals is desperate and suchlike, WHY do NV feel they need to do the same? Are you going to call it also desperate? Trying to complete? Are AMD being unfair, forcing people to buy inferior hardware because they offer games so NV have to drag people the other way?

I know you don;t know the reason and can't answer for people who've decried amd's deals.

Anyway. competition most likely, NV thought AMD game deals were a good idea or were planning to do it all along. Who cares? Free games = win.

So. Game deals mean nothing to me, I have my 680 and it's badass. BUt for crossfire peoples or new builds the deals are great. Including the new NV deal.

What's my point? What ever card you choose at whatever pricepoint you have a damn good card but you get more good games with AMD card purchase. Call them desperate if you want but that's how it stands.

Cue Keys damage control. :zzz:

You mean, of course outside it's copy paste story arch and been there done that gameplay? I guess if we ignore that, and the way the engine stutters we've got ourselves a great title!

Top card uncontested since 2006, and the only original GFX card maker left in the game. It stands to reason they'd have more brand recognition than any other player in the market.

GHz was out after the 680, and the 7970 was slower than the 680. It's also one of the worst perf/w cards on the market, to give you an idea it draws the same amount of power as Titan and is 30-40% slower. PhysX is great, hopefully with 3.0 we can all run it on our cpu's like the PS4.

680 is their mid-range card released at the high end price because at the time it was faster than the 7970 and at the time it was a much better piece of silicon while the 7970 is was and will forever be a brute force, less elegant solution. The fact that they're even comparable says a lot.

Did I say they didn't have to? I thought I said they didn't need to match them, perhaps I should go reread what I posted. When your opponent who has less chips than you goes all in, there is no harm in calling their bluff. Nvidia already has as many chips on the table, if not more, all the things you yawn about, and all the things people who bought AMD products last gen now ignore are in Nvidia favor. Simply put, all they seem to feel they need to call AMD's bundle is a single title at this point.

It's more Nvidia thought it was a good idea, and now AMD is trying to emulate them while Nvidia is simply trying to retain/hold their current position while maximizing profits vs AMD's need to grasp back as much market share with this current generation of sunk costs as they possibly can.

CF, have you been living under a rock?

And you get more features, and better drivers with Nvidia... What are those worth? Clearly more than a simple FPS number, since last I checked Nvidia outsold AMD badly this generation.

 

[Sable]

You mean, of course outside it's copy paste story arch and been there done that gameplay? I guess if we ignore that, and the way the engine stutters we've got ourselves a great title!

Top card uncontested since 2006, and the only original GFX card maker left in the game. It stands to reason they'd have more brand recognition than any other player in the market.

GHz was out after the 680, and the 7970 was slower than the 680. It's also one of the worst perf/w cards on the market, to give you an idea it draws the same amount of power as Titan and is 30-40% slower. PhysX is great, hopefully with 3.0 we can all run it on our cpu's like the PS4.

680 is their mid-range card released at the high end price because at the time it was faster than the 7970 and at the time it was a much better piece of silicon while the 7970 is was and will forever be a brute force, less elegant solution. The fact that they're even comparable says a lot.

Did I say they didn't have to? I thought I said they didn't need to match them, perhaps I should go reread what I posted. When your opponent who has less chips than you goes all in, there is no harm in calling their bluff. Nvidia already has as many chips on the table, if not more, all the things you yawn about, and all the things people who bought AMD products last gen now ignore are in Nvidia favor. Simply put, all they seem to feel they need to call AMD's bundle is a single title at this point.

It's more Nvidia thought it was a good idea, and now AMD is trying to emulate them while Nvidia is simply trying to retain/hold their current position while maximizing profits vs AMD's need to grasp back as much market share with this current generation of sunk costs as they possibly can.

CF, have you been living under a rock?

And you get more features, and better drivers with Nvidia... What are those worth? Clearly more than a simple FPS number, since last I checked Nvidia outsold AMD badly this generation.

Okay, you win NV ARE TEH WINZORZ. Well played. Glad I have a 680, I assume that makes me teh winzorz also. Checkmate.

 

[arsta]

Too bad this isn't available for Europeans. As always. Or at least most of them anyway.

 

[Will Robinson]

The only "good ones" on your list is Bioshock, the rest were flops and failures.

Tomb Raider was decent as well but not on your list.



Seems some people are having trouble figuring this out, but as plainly as can be stated... Nvidia isn't in a position where they need to offer as good or better than AMD, they're ahead on all counts and on every score card that matters.

LOL OMG..have you actually been gargling the Green Kool-Aid.
The only "flop and failure" within a light year of here are your last two posts.
Try a reality check sometime.

 

[wand3r3r]

You mean, of course outside it's copy paste story arch and been there done that gameplay? I guess if we ignore that, and the way the engine stutters we've got ourselves a great title!

Top card uncontested since 2006, and the only original GFX card maker left in the game. It stands to reason they'd have more brand recognition than any other player in the market.

GHz was out after the 680, and the 7970 was slower than the 680. It's also one of the worst perf/w cards on the market, to give you an idea it draws the same amount of power as Titan and is 30-40% slower. PhysX is great, hopefully with 3.0 we can all run it on our cpu's like the PS4.

680 is their mid-range card released at the high end price because at the time it was faster than the 7970 and at the time it was a much better piece of silicon while the 7970 is was and will forever be a brute force, less elegant solution. The fact that they're even comparable says a lot.

Did I say they didn't have to? I thought I said they didn't need to match them, perhaps I should go reread what I posted. When your opponent who has less chips than you goes all in, there is no harm in calling their bluff. Nvidia already has as many chips on the table, if not more, all the things you yawn about, and all the things people who bought AMD products last gen now ignore are in Nvidia favor. Simply put, all they seem to feel they need to call AMD's bundle is a single title at this point.

It's more Nvidia thought it was a good idea, and now AMD is trying to emulate them while Nvidia is simply trying to retain/hold their current position while maximizing profits vs AMD's need to grasp back as much market share with this current generation of sunk costs as they possibly can.

CF, have you been living under a rock?

And you get more features, and better drivers with Nvidia... What are those worth? Clearly more than a simple FPS number, since last I checked Nvidia outsold AMD badly this generation.

So your personal opinion on that long list of popular games is now the final factor? So all game bundles sucked with the exception of 1 game you like. Sounds odd.


Top card uncontested since 2006?
Even in 2012? (maybe for a month or 2 when the 680 was out and GHz not)

Performance per watt? I guess you're an eco enthusiast now? Why would you go for anything more inefficient than a 7870 if you really care about perf/watt? Why draw the line at the 680 or wherever you draw the imaginary line?

The fact they are offering a game bundle shows they are losing sales or think they have something to gain by competing.


Remind me what driver issues AMD has but NV doesn't in single cards. If you're going to whine about "driver issues" back it up.

Also what are all of these features? Cuda, physx? Yawn...

Lots of hot air with no substance.

Queue the list of NVolunteers to defend vigorously.

 

[ICDP]

The only "good ones" on your list is Bioshock, the rest were flops and failures.

Tomb Raider was decent as well but not on your list.

Seems some people are having trouble figuring this out, but as plainly as can be stated... Nvidia isn't in a position where they need to offer as good or better than AMD, they're ahead on all counts and on every score card that matters.

Another post from you where you masquerade opinion as actual facts.

The games he listed are all AAA titles that got very good multi-platform reviews. Because you think they are flops does not make it true. In my opinion Bioshock is probably the worst series of games ever released, but that is just opinion and not fact because they clearly aren't flops.

The rest of your post is the usual blinkered foolish BS. Ironic that you spout Nvidia don't have to try as hard while you yourself purchased a HD 7950 because it has the best price/perf available. Yeah, Nvidia are so far ahead on every score that matters they couldn't entice a died in the wool Nvidia fan like you to purchase one of their awesome products. There is a word for that, oh yeah... hypocrite.

Thankfully Nvidia understands that AMD are serious competition. So while you pretend to think Nvidia are so far ahead "on every score card that matters", they know brand recognition only goes so far and will continue to entice the consumers with deals and bundles.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Looks like I upset the locals.

 

[railven]

I greatly enjoyed the atmosphere of Metro 2033 and look forward to this title. With it being a bundled titles means I can score one for $20-30. Good times!

 

[chimaxi83]

Looks like I upset the locals.

Mission accomplished.

 

[Keysplayr]

I didn't care for Metro 2033 very much. Just didn't click with me.

 

[NIGELG]

Looks like I upset the locals.

Lol.....


Because it's what you like to do....

But seriously how could a Nvidia worshipper like you buy a 7950??

Shocking!!!!

Enjoy your 7950 with it's horrible drivers,yadda yadda yadda.:sneaky:

 

[SirPauly]

2006 was a great year for enthusiast choice with the Radeon X1900XTX at the beginning of the year and the Geforce 8800 GTX at the end of the year.

AMD was and is such serious competition they actually did over-take nVidia in over-all discrete leadership in 2010. At times, or windows of opportunities both had spotlights to themselves with AMD enjoying execution advantages with the 5XXX and 7XXX series and enjoying having the fastest video card for quite some time with their 5970 and 6990 sku's.

It may be unwise to underestimate AMD and nVidia based on their immense talents and their past wonderful choices to consider. Personally enjoy the competition from these very important players; as they try to raise the bar over each other.

 

[wand3r3r]

2006 was a great year for enthusiast choice with the Radeon X1900XTX at the beginning of the year and the Geforce 8800 GTX at the end of the year.

AMD was and is such serious competition they actually did over-take nVidia in over-all discrete leadership in 2010. At times, or windows of opportunities both had spotlights to themselves with AMD enjoying execution advantages with the 5XXX and 7XXX series and enjoying having the fastest video card for quite some time with their 5970 and 6990 sku's.

It may be unwise to underestimate AMD and nVidia based on their immense talents and their past wonderful choices to consider. Personally enjoy the competition from these very important players; as they try to raise the bar over each other.

Well said.

The main concerns atm imo are stagnation, price increases, and neutering.

Competition should sort them out (other than possible stagnation) but when will moores law begin to fail.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Mission accomplished.

I was actually just trying to discuss the situation as it actually was, then emotions got involved and people seem to not care about facts at that point.

You'll notice it's ok to say something subjective like PhysX is awful, yet it's not ok it say some of the games in the bundles weren't very good and suffered from poor sales.

Lol.....


Because it's what you like to do....

But seriously how could a Nvidia worshipper like you buy a 7950??

Shocking!!!!

Enjoy your 7950 with it's horrible drivers,yadda yadda yadda.:sneaky:

Actually what I like to do is discuss hardware, tinker with it, bench it.. We don't really have a lot of that around here though, despite it being a hardware forum it reads more like a fan club/soap channel.

Maybe because unlike you I don't worship one company or the other? Why do the biggest fans on the forum need to label everyone else?

Not really, it provided what I purchase based on. Just like my 470s with their 50% overclocks that this forum just loved to bash because it wasn't red.

Drivers have a lot of quirks, no way around that. Also some annoyances like having to turn my monitor on and off on restarts because it gets stuck, similar to the sleep bug it's probably not driver but actually a hardware issue.

Considering how much more hardware is here the performance is pretty disappointing compared to the competition, not much you can do about that though.

 

[SPBHM]

no mention to physx this time at least?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

no mention to physx this time at least?

The points were simple.

Several of the games in the AMD bundles weren't very good subjectively, factually many suffered very poor sales numbers.

Bioshock Infinite wasn't one of them, in fact it was one of the best games released recently, and has sales figures to back that up as well. Tomb Raider was subjectively a pretty good game, factually it sold way more than other titles such as Sleeping Dogs, but not at the level Square would have hoped given the cost and time spent to make it.

The facts are, AMD spent a lot on these titles before they released and weren't very well received. They didn't pay discount prices based on the fact that sales were less than stellar, they paid for them based on their release prices, which was often $50 to $60.

The insinuation was that Nvidia needed to do "something", despite the fact that amid these bundles Nvidia has been running their own, less costly version often with just one title such as Assassin's Creed while gaining market share and reporting record revenue.

This is of course the area where reality and facts deviate from emotions and desires. The comment was as shown with the last several months of data stretching back even before Never Settle that Nvidia commands a price premium over AMD, because while having a lower perf/$ threshold they were outselling AMD, and when having one game vs three and lower perf/$ they were still out selling AMD. While doing this they were also generating a lot more revenue per sale than AMD.

The problem is some people want to apply their perceptions and their purchasing mythology to a market as if the market represented it, when in actuality the market is doing the opposite of what they're doing.

This is neither a Nvidia vs AMD thing, nor a personal poster vs another, it's just the simple facts as they stand and that is causing "problems".

I am discussing the market as it is, while obviously going against it with my own choices (buying a 7950), while others are simply trying to morph the market to fit their way of thought. The problem is there aren't as many people who view things as I or several other members of this forum do, vs those who view things in a way which causes Nvidia to come out ahead in their purchasing decisions. These are subjective tastes, and we can all argue until we're blue in the face over it, however what we can't argue is which subjective opinion the greater share of the market takes, because that is something that is based on facts.

 

[SirPauly]

The title has an advanced PhysX setting showed here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icWgKxR0P88


However, would like to know more about the Physx.

 

[Rezist]

It's tough to say who actually owns the hardware they say they own. I know one thing if I was going to troll a forum and about a product I would atleast say I owned the product to give myself credibility.

 

[Muyoso]

The only "good ones" on your list is Bioshock, the rest were flops and failures.

Tomb Raider was decent as well but not on your list.



Seems some people are having trouble figuring this out, but as plainly as can be stated... Nvidia isn't in a position where they need to offer as good or better than AMD, they're ahead on all counts and on every score card that matters.

Far Cry 3 was a magnificent game and got ridiculously good reviews. What are you talking about?

 

[blackened23]

Far Cry 3 was a magnificent game and got ridiculously good reviews. What are you talking about?

What do you expect from him? Of course Tomb Raider, Bioshock infinite, Far Cry 3, and Crysis 3 were all terrible terrible games, easily the worst releases of the past decade. That's what he would have you believe. Typical stuff, ya know.

 

[chimaxi83]

What do you expect from him? Of course Tomb Raider, Bioshock infinite, Far Cry 3, and Crysis 3 were all terrible terrible games, easily the worst releases of the past decade. That's what he would have you believe. Typical stuff, ya know.

Except if they were bundled with Nvidia cards, they'd be GOTY and the sky would be full of Nvidia rainbows.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Except I said Bioshock and Tomb Raider were really good games, in fact I kept my bioshock key because it was really good, and sold my Crysis 3 key to get a Tomb Raider key...

It wouldn't matter what Nvidia bundled, if they had the same figures they have now. Seems to be a hard concept for some to grasp, like how frame times work.



Edit: Before this gets out of hand, just look at the facts.

During a period when AMD had the highest performance gpu on the market January 2012, til now, during which time they've had better perf/$ as well as more games per bundle, who has sold the most products, and who has made the most money?

Is it AMD or is it Nvidia?

Don't try to derail the discussion into subjective tastes, stick to the facts.