Nvidia to Amd : Bring On Antilles

[Lonbjerg]

There is a search function in this forum that lets you easily see every reference to "GRAW 2" on the entire board. If you had spend even a minute doing it yourself, you'd come up with this little exchange we had a month ago:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30626160&postcount=657
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30626175&postcount=661

I mixed up GRAW with GRAW 2 so technically we might add GRAW to the list as a third, behind Batman and Mirror, but I did say "arguably" in that GRAW apparently didn't use extensive use of PhysX, judging by what I gleaned from the web.

In our previous exchange I reluctantly added Mafia II, but as time has gone on it's obvious that Mafia II will never hit 80 in Metacritic, especially among users: http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mafia-ii (Rating: 78/70 critic/users), so I find it dubious to add to the Batman+Mirror list.

I don't expect someone like you to apologize for calling me a liar and fanboy, but don't waste my time further with your wild accusations of "fanboy" and calling me a liar.

You just confirmed that your fist post was a lie...welome to my ignore

 

[blastingcap]

You just confirmed that your fist post was a lie...

welome to my ignore

Thank goodness.

Edited to add:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30795320&postcount=70

In case anyone looking at this sordid mess is wondering, I linked to Lon's quote directly above. That was my initial query re: appreciable PhysX usage in good games in this entire thread.

He quoted me as asking for a list of good games that used PhysX to an appreciable degree (meaning, effects that actually made a significant impact, not just some swirling leaves or stuff like that).

He asked for clarification by calling my statement vague and irrelevant. So I gave it to him by stating that I considered games with a metacritic score of 80 or higher to be good. As for appreciable, that's a matter of interpretation that Lon and I discussed before, and I stated my opinion on GRAW, GRAW 2, and Mafia II.

Lon asked me for clarification and when he gets clarification, so far so good, right?

Wrong. Despite my clarification of what "good" game meant to me and what "appreciable" use of PhysX meant to me, Lon somehow misinterpreted what I wrote to mean that no games used PhysX outside of Batman and Mirror, but how can this be, since I mentioned GRAW 2? How can this be, considering I linked to our previous exchange in which we already discussed older games as well?

That said, sorry for the temporary thread derailment. Carry on!

 

[maddie]

I threw 900 out there because that's how much total investment it would be for me to hve a 3 monitor setup. You can keep your cheap 22" acres. Some of us like having the best

I think all blastingcap is saying that individuals can have an eyefinity setup for that price.

If you need to buy any item, there will be a range of prices. No one is forcing you to buy the cheapest or most expensive solution. that is your choice but someone can have a system for the price he quotes. Don't mistake your ideal for the only solution.

 

[blastingcap]

I think all blastingcap is saying that individuals can have an eyefinity setup for that price.

If you need to buy any item, there will be a range of prices. No one is forcing you to buy the cheapest or most expensive solution. that is your choice but someone can have a system for the price he quotes. Don't mistake your ideal for the only solution.

That's a fair summary and in far fewer words. Remind me to hire you as my editor when I write my Great American Novel.

 

[maddie]

That's a fair summary and in far fewer words. Remind me to hire you as my editor when I write my Great American Novel.

Your agent can contact mine.

 

[Skurge]

*tired of lying fanboys*

He owned both a 460 and a 6850 and you call him a fanboy? Looked in the mirror lately?

 

[blastingcap]

He owned both a 460 and a 6850 and you call him a fanboy? Looked in the mirror lately?

I'd still be using that 460 if it hadn't arrived damaged. But I would probably be hating myself for losing Eyefinity in the process, so I'm not sure how long it would have taken me to sell the 460 in favor of a dual-460 card or HD6850.

I've also owned other NV parts before like a XFX 6800XT.

Finally, here's a bit of irony: in this same thread, it was I who pointed out that a dual-Fermi would go partway to closing the hole in NV's feature set and that a single-GPU Surround card would fully close it, allowing NV's feature set to outclass AMD's, in contradiction to T2K. http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30790174&postcount=17 If anything I sounded anti-AMD in what I wrote, but let's not let facts get in the way of his accusations.

Anyway, let's not derail the thread more than it already has been. And let him Ignore me.

 

[Silverforce11]

The only good use of physx in games STILL to date is mirrors edge.

I agree with blastingcap, NV *needs* a dual gpu solution so their consumers can better take advantage of surround. I've got an eyeinfinity rig, its amazing for gaming and non-gaming. The fact that ATI can drive 3+ monitors on a single card is an advantage.

As per the TDP for a dual 580, doesn't matter much IF they settled on the target market, enthusiasts who go after the fastest generally don't care about TDP. It doesn't even have to be PCIe certified. Note, the ASUS ares and MSI 2x 5870 etc. Once these factors are taken to account, you can have 2 fully enabled gtx580 on 1 card. Gaming load would probably be ~370w tops. As long as their throttling kicks in, it won't draw more than 2x8pin can supply thereby putting ok load on your PSU and mb. As i've said b4, in this business, crown = good.

Building a performance crown reputation allows your products of all ranges to have a price premium. Generally, consumers won't know better.

 

[toyota]

The only good use of physx in games STILL to date is mirrors edge.

I agree with blastingcap, NV *needs* a dual gpu solution so their consumers can better take advantage of surround. I've got an eyeinfinity rig, its amazing for gaming and non-gaming. The fact that ATI can drive 3+ monitors on a single card is an advantage.

As per the TDP for a dual 580, doesn't matter much IF they settled on the target market, enthusiasts who go after the fastest generally don't care about TDP. It doesn't even have to be PCIe certified. Note, the ASUS ares and MSI 2x 5870 etc. Once these factors are taken to account, you can have 2 fully enabled gtx580 on 1 card. Gaming load would probably be ~370w tops. As long as their throttling kicks in, it won't draw more than 2x8pin can supply thereby putting ok load on your PSU and mb. As i've said b4, in this business, crown = good.

Building a performance crown reputation allows your products of all ranges to have a price premium. Generally, consumers won't know better.

there was nothing impressive in Mirror's Edge when it comes to Physx. did you actually stop to look at the glass to see if it broke realistically? personally I was too busy trying not to die. other than that there was some stupid tarps stuck in the game that added nothing.

 

[Silverforce11]

See what i mean, even in mirrors edge you can do without it.. and imo, its done pretty well there. Unlike gimmick mist. I enjoyed red faction, but i dont think it had physx.. and i'm playing a lot of BC2 and again, no need for physx to get total destruction.

The point is, physx is gimmick. CUDA however, is useful.

 

[omek]

The physics in BFBC2 are great - though the buildings collapsing and structural damage are very pre-determined - models at best - and the rest (ragdolls, objects) of the physics bearing things are fairly simplistic. I don't endorse buying a completely separate GPU to do complete and accurate physics calcs but I do see the importance of GPU processed physics. Especially when in the future the minute amount of physics in BFBC2 (granted much more than 2 or 3 years ago) is multiplied by 5 and the buildings collapse in multitudes of x10 fragmentation. Be it nV Phys-x or AMD opencl, I can't see the CPU doing this much work in the near future.

 

[taltamir]

Apoppin is right, as are you...I have confirmed story after story from FUDz regarding AMD stuff as being patently false. They really do just literally make crap up and post it.

and when they are right, its only via sheer quantity working in their favor. a million monkeys on a million typewriters...