NVIDIA to Acquire ULi Electronics, a Leading Developer of Core Logic Technology

[SilverTrine]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: SilverTrine
No one but Nvidia fanboi's can call this a good move for consumers. Nvidia is buying out ALi for many reasons but one of the main reasons is to limit competition to their Nforce chipset.

Less choice is never good for the consumer.

You are assuming nVidia will simply throw away all ULi's previous work. I personally beleive (and hope) that will not happen. I can see ULi's products forming the basis of an entry level/lower end solution for nVidia, which they currently lack, as well as helping improve future nForce boards.

The deal is good for both ULi and consumers because, a very substantial portion of ULi's income in recent times has come from supplying southbridges for ATi motherboards - a source of income that would dry up once ATi's own southbridge is ready to fly, leaving ULi in a very precarious situation. See the Beyond3D thread I linked to earlier in this thread for details.

In fact if you look at the situation in the above light, I think a case can be made that nVidia is far more caring and compassionate towards other inustry players than ATi - after all ATi could just as easily purchased ULi, but chose not to - and they should have had better business relations than nVidia with ULI...

You're still looking at this from a Nvidia centric view. The fact is Nvidia must see the ULi board that allows people to use AGP cards in a modern 939 board as a threat to their board and GPU sales.
They figure out how many $$$ this line of boards is costing Nvidia decide to buyout ULi for a small chunk of change, poach the engineering talent. Sell out the ULi assets they dont want and kill the company.

You really dont understand business if you think this is positive for enthusiasts.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: SilverTrine
No one but Nvidia fanboi's can call this a good move for consumers. Nvidia is buying out ALi for many reasons but one of the main reasons is to limit competition to their Nforce chipset.

Less choice is never good for the consumer.

There is competition for the Nforce chipset? Not that I have seen. Every review regarding AMD chipsets shows NVIDIA way ahead. Even the ATI fanboiz use NForce chipsets for their computers.

 

[SilverTrine]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: SilverTrine
No one but Nvidia fanboi's can call this a good move for consumers. Nvidia is buying out ALi for many reasons but one of the main reasons is to limit competition to their Nforce chipset.

Less choice is never good for the consumer.

There is competition for the Nforce chipset? Not that I have seen. Every review regarding AMD chipsets shows NVIDIA way ahead. Even the ATI fanboiz use NForce chipsets for their computers.

The performance edge is not huge and VIA boards are more stable and ATi boards are cheaper, but thats a discussion for another time.

The point is that every person that moves up to 939 on a ULi board w/AGP costs Nvidia a potential board sale and a potential PCI/X videocard sale. Go check out the motherboard room sometime you will see many postings about the ULi board.

We'll have our answer soon enough anyway, if the AGP 939 ULi boards fade away we'll know that one of the reasons that Nvidia bought ULi was to kill their 939 board.

 

[Keysplayr]

Whether it's a good move for us consumers or not, it was a brilliant business move by Nvidia. You say Nvidia saw a threat. Maybe so. But they seem pretty well armed to handle threats and they seem to be dealt with on a regular basis.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: SilverTrine

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: SilverTrine
No one but Nvidia fanboi's can call this a good move for consumers. Nvidia is buying out ALi for many reasons but one of the main reasons is to limit competition to their Nforce chipset.

Less choice is never good for the consumer.

You are assuming nVidia will simply throw away all ULi's previous work. I personally beleive (and hope) that will not happen. I can see ULi's products forming the basis of an entry level/lower end solution for nVidia, which they currently lack, as well as helping improve future nForce boards.

The deal is good for both ULi and consumers because, a very substantial portion of ULi's income in recent times has come from supplying southbridges for ATi motherboards - a source of income that would dry up once ATi's own southbridge is ready to fly, leaving ULi in a very precarious situation. See the Beyond3D thread I linked to earlier in this thread for details.

In fact if you look at the situation in the above light, I think a case can be made that nVidia is far more caring and compassionate towards other inustry players than ATi - after all ATi could just as easily purchased ULi, but chose not to - and they should have had better business relations than nVidia with ULI...

You're still looking at this from a Nvidia centric view. The fact is Nvidia must see the ULi board that allows people to use AGP cards in a modern 939 board as a threat to their board and GPU sales.
They figure out how many $$$ this line of boards is costing Nvidia decide to buyout ULi for a small chunk of change, poach the engineering talent. Sell out the ULi assets they dont want and kill the company.

You really dont understand business if you think this is positive for enthusiasts.

Oh rubbish! ULi's engineers now have guaranteed employment, the company's IP is secure and there is no longer the danger of the company going belly up.

The consumer benefits too because the motherboard manufacturers will take anything that emerges from nVidia FAR more seriously than had it come from ULi alone.

Can you demonstrate any "unwanted ULi assets" that nVidia has sold off so far? Didn't think so... Just like when nVidia purchased 3dfx's IP, they simply wouldn't buy what didn't interest them - and there is another example, by the way of nVidia doing the right thing by technical staff -they didn't HAVE to employ anyone from 3dfx, but took on around 100 (would have taken more, but some (future fanatics perhaps) didn't want employment with nVidia).

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: SilverTrine

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: SilverTrine
No one but Nvidia fanboi's can call this a good move for consumers. Nvidia is buying out ALi for many reasons but one of the main reasons is to limit competition to their Nforce chipset.

Less choice is never good for the consumer.

There is competition for the Nforce chipset? Not that I have seen. Every review regarding AMD chipsets shows NVIDIA way ahead. Even the ATI fanboiz use NForce chipsets for their computers.

The performance edge is not huge and VIA boards are more stable and ATi boards are cheaper, but thats a discussion for another time.

The point is that every person that moves up to 939 on a ULi board w/AGP costs Nvidia a potential board sale and a potential PCI/X videocard sale. Go check out the motherboard room sometime you will see many postings about the ULi board.

We'll have our answer soon enough anyway, if the AGP 939 ULi boards fade away we'll know that one of the reasons that Nvidia bought ULi was to kill their 939 board.

Wreckage says way ahead, and you say not huge. So WHICH IS IT!!!!!
So tired of this BS.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: SilverTrine

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: SilverTrine
No one but Nvidia fanboi's can call this a good move for consumers. Nvidia is buying out ALi for many reasons but one of the main reasons is to limit competition to their Nforce chipset.

Less choice is never good for the consumer.

You are assuming nVidia will simply throw away all ULi's previous work. I personally beleive (and hope) that will not happen. I can see ULi's products forming the basis of an entry level/lower end solution for nVidia, which they currently lack, as well as helping improve future nForce boards.

The deal is good for both ULi and consumers because, a very substantial portion of ULi's income in recent times has come from supplying southbridges for ATi motherboards - a source of income that would dry up once ATi's own southbridge is ready to fly, leaving ULi in a very precarious situation. See the Beyond3D thread I linked to earlier in this thread for details.

In fact if you look at the situation in the above light, I think a case can be made that nVidia is far more caring and compassionate towards other inustry players than ATi - after all ATi could just as easily purchased ULi, but chose not to - and they should have had better business relations than nVidia with ULI...

You're still looking at this from a Nvidia centric view. The fact is Nvidia must see the ULi board that allows people to use AGP cards in a modern 939 board as a threat to their board and GPU sales.
They figure out how many $$$ this line of boards is costing Nvidia decide to buyout ULi for a small chunk of change, poach the engineering talent. Sell out the ULi assets they dont want and kill the company.

You really dont understand business if you think this is positive for enthusiasts.

Oh rubbish! ULi's engineers now have guaranteed employment, the company's IP is secure and there is no longer the danger of the company going belly up.

The consumer benefits too because the motherboard manufacturers will take anything that emerges from nVidia FAR more seriously than had it come from ULi alone.

Can you demonstrate any "unwanted ULi assets" that nVidia has sold off so far? Didn't think so... Just like when nVidia purchased 3dfx's IP, they simply wouldn't buy what didn't interest them - and there is another example, by the way of nVidia doing the right thing by technical staff -they didn't HAVE to employ anyone from 3dfx, but took on around 100 (would have taken more, but some (future fanatics perhaps) didn't want employment with nVidia).

You seem to know quite a bit about the intimate details of the ULi purchase, & the 3dfx takeover. You do know that the ULi purchase is not due to be final until 2007 then yes?
So you then also know that it would be impossible for nvidia to sell of unwanted assets because they aren't nvidia's assets yet. They will be, but not yet.

And how do you know all that stuff that nvidia didn't "have" to hire anyone from 3dfx? Did you see the contracts? Addendums? Stipulations of the transactions? Legal documentation? Nvidia did not do the "right thing" out of an ethical epiphany, but hired the talent from 3dfx they thought worthy of hiring because it would be good for business. Never think for one moment that these companies, entities, or whatever you will call them, have conscience's. They do what helps there business, not what hinders it.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: SilverTrine

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: SilverTrine
No one but Nvidia fanboi's can call this a good move for consumers. Nvidia is buying out ALi for many reasons but one of the main reasons is to limit competition to their Nforce chipset.

Less choice is never good for the consumer.

There is competition for the Nforce chipset? Not that I have seen. Every review regarding AMD chipsets shows NVIDIA way ahead. Even the ATI fanboiz use NForce chipsets for their computers.

The performance edge is not huge and VIA boards are more stable and ATi boards are cheaper, but thats a discussion for another time.

The point is that every person that moves up to 939 on a ULi board w/AGP costs Nvidia a potential board sale and a potential PCI/X videocard sale. Go check out the motherboard room sometime you will see many postings about the ULi board.

We'll have our answer soon enough anyway, if the AGP 939 ULi boards fade away we'll know that one of the reasons that Nvidia bought ULi was to kill their 939 board.

Wreckage says way ahead, and you say not huge. So WHICH IS IT!!!!!
So tired of this BS.

It's way ahead.

NVIDIA bought ULI for a stronger foothold in the Asian market.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: SilverTrine

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: SilverTrine
No one but Nvidia fanboi's can call this a good move for consumers. Nvidia is buying out ALi for many reasons but one of the main reasons is to limit competition to their Nforce chipset.

Less choice is never good for the consumer.

You are assuming nVidia will simply throw away all ULi's previous work. I personally beleive (and hope) that will not happen. I can see ULi's products forming the basis of an entry level/lower end solution for nVidia, which they currently lack, as well as helping improve future nForce boards.

The deal is good for both ULi and consumers because, a very substantial portion of ULi's income in recent times has come from supplying southbridges for ATi motherboards - a source of income that would dry up once ATi's own southbridge is ready to fly, leaving ULi in a very precarious situation. See the Beyond3D thread I linked to earlier in this thread for details.

In fact if you look at the situation in the above light, I think a case can be made that nVidia is far more caring and compassionate towards other inustry players than ATi - after all ATi could just as easily purchased ULi, but chose not to - and they should have had better business relations than nVidia with ULI...

You're still looking at this from a Nvidia centric view. The fact is Nvidia must see the ULi board that allows people to use AGP cards in a modern 939 board as a threat to their board and GPU sales.
They figure out how many $$$ this line of boards is costing Nvidia decide to buyout ULi for a small chunk of change, poach the engineering talent. Sell out the ULi assets they dont want and kill the company.

You really dont understand business if you think this is positive for enthusiasts.

Oh rubbish! ULi's engineers now have guaranteed employment, the company's IP is secure and there is no longer the danger of the company going belly up.

The consumer benefits too because the motherboard manufacturers will take anything that emerges from nVidia FAR more seriously than had it come from ULi alone.

Can you demonstrate any "unwanted ULi assets" that nVidia has sold off so far? Didn't think so... Just like when nVidia purchased 3dfx's IP, they simply wouldn't buy what didn't interest them - and there is another example, by the way of nVidia doing the right thing by technical staff -they didn't HAVE to employ anyone from 3dfx, but took on around 100 (would have taken more, but some (future fanatics perhaps) didn't want employment with nVidia).

You seem to know quite a bit about the intimate details of the ULi purchase, & the 3dfx takeover. You do know that the ULi purchase is not due to be final until 2007 then yes?
So you then also know that it would be impossible for nvidia to sell of unwanted assets because they aren't nvidia's assets yet. They will be, but not yet.

And how do you know all that stuff that nvidia didn't "have" to hire anyone from 3dfx? Did you see the contracts? Addendums? Stipulations of the transactions? Legal documentation? Nvidia did not do the "right thing" out of an ethical epiphany, but hired the talent from 3dfx they thought worthy of hiring because it would be good for business. Never think for one moment that these companies, entities, or whatever you will call them, have conscience's. They do what helps there business, not what hinders it.

With 3dfx, nVidia purchased 3dfx's IP assets only, nothing else. They didn't take the company over, they didn't buy the stock and they didn't buy the right to 3dfx's former employees. The offer of employment to those employees was a seperate transaction althogether.

Doesn't matter when the ULi sale is actually finalised, the two parties have already agreed on the terms of the sale- that is unlikely to change significantly anytime soon, and if it were changed I'd imagine approval for the sale would have to be resought or revised from the authorities.

 

[BFG10K]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish I can fit all this in my sig!!! LMAO

If you removed the "QFT Rollo" and "Rollo for mod" sections you might well be able to fit it in.

I personally thought that post was rather deranged, a cry for help even.

LOL Someone needs a hobby a little less pathetic than scouring my old posts.

That's not an answer. What is your answer to yet another example of your blatant double standards?

Not buying it Creig. You're always dredging up aged quotes of things I said, you think I'd ever do a search and look up anything YOU say?

That's not an answer. What is your answer to yet another example of your blatant double standards?

 

[SilverTrine]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Whether it's a good move for us consumers or not, it was a brilliant business move by Nvidia. You say Nvidia saw a threat. Maybe so. But they seem pretty well armed to handle threats and they seem to be dealt with on a regular basis.

Who cares frankly, if you want to cheerlead for a companies stock price go somewhere else.

Personally I care about having the best and most affordable technology. This ULi deal will result in less competition in the chipset space so I dont see how this move is a plus for any tech head.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: SilverTrine

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Whether it's a good move for us consumers or not, it was a brilliant business move by Nvidia. You say Nvidia saw a threat. Maybe so. But they seem pretty well armed to handle threats and they seem to be dealt with on a regular basis.

Who cares frankly, if you want to cheerlead for a companies stock price go somewhere else.

Personally I care about having the best and most affordable technology. This ULi deal will result in less competition in the chipset space so I dont see how this move is a plus for any tech head.

Well so far the only person it seems to have hurt is you. I will wait and see what happens once the dust settles before passing overall judgement. You can still buy chipsets from VIA, SIS & ATI.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: SilverTrine

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Whether it's a good move for us consumers or not, it was a brilliant business move by Nvidia. You say Nvidia saw a threat. Maybe so. But they seem pretty well armed to handle threats and they seem to be dealt with on a regular basis.

Who cares frankly, if you want to cheerlead for a companies stock price go somewhere else.

Personally I care about having the best and most affordable technology. This ULi deal will result in less competition in the chipset space so I dont see how this move is a plus for any tech head.

Well so far the only person it seems to have hurt is you. I will wait and see what happens once the dust settles before passing overall judgement. You can still buy chipsets from VIA, SIS & ATI.

Not to mention Intel.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: SilverTrine

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Whether it's a good move for us consumers or not, it was a brilliant business move by Nvidia. You say Nvidia saw a threat. Maybe so. But they seem pretty well armed to handle threats and they seem to be dealt with on a regular basis.

Who cares frankly, if you want to cheerlead for a companies stock price go somewhere else.

Personally I care about having the best and most affordable technology. This ULi deal will result in less competition in the chipset space so I dont see how this move is a plus for any tech head.

Well so far the only person it seems to have hurt is you. I will wait and see what happens once the dust settles before passing overall judgement. You can still buy chipsets from VIA, SIS & ATI.

There's dust that's kicked up when one company purchases another? Does it cause allergies?

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: SilverTrine

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Whether it's a good move for us consumers or not, it was a brilliant business move by Nvidia. You say Nvidia saw a threat. Maybe so. But they seem pretty well armed to handle threats and they seem to be dealt with on a regular basis.

Who cares frankly, if you want to cheerlead for a companies stock price go somewhere else.

Personally I care about having the best and most affordable technology. This ULi deal will result in less competition in the chipset space so I dont see how this move is a plus for any tech head.

Well so far the only person it seems to have hurt is you. I will wait and see what happens once the dust settles before passing overall judgement. You can still buy chipsets from VIA, SIS & ATI.

There's dust that's kicked up when one company purchases another? Does it cause allergies?

I would seem to cause rectal itch in some people

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish I can fit all this in my sig!!! LMAO

If you removed the "QFT Rollo" and "Rollo for mod" sections you might well be able to fit it in. QFT Rollo isn't in there. And the character limit would be exceeded anyway. heh, I tried.

I personally thought that post was rather deranged, a cry for help even.

Wow! Even if that "cry for help" was directed at me, I would have LMAO. It was funny dude. It was real funny. And you have a 0% sense of humor, which explains so very much. At least from now on I'll know to keep that in mind when next time I read a post of yours.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: BFG10K

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish I can fit all this in my sig!!! LMAO

If you removed the "QFT Rollo" and "Rollo for mod" sections you might well be able to fit it in. QFT Rollo isn't in there. And the character limit would be exceeded anyway. heh, I tried.

I personally thought that post was rather deranged, a cry for help even.

Wow! Even if that "cry for help" was directed at me, I would have LMAO. It was funny dude. It was real funny. And you have a 0% sense of humor, which explains so very much. At least from now on I'll know to keep that in mind when next time I read a post of yours.

you guys need to learn to play nice

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: BFG10K

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish I can fit all this in my sig!!! LMAO

If you removed the "QFT Rollo" and "Rollo for mod" sections you might well be able to fit it in. QFT Rollo isn't in there. And the character limit would be exceeded anyway. heh, I tried.

I personally thought that post was rather deranged, a cry for help even.

Wow! Even if that "cry for help" was directed at me, I would have LMAO. It was funny dude. It was real funny. And you have a 0% sense of humor, which explains so very much. At least from now on I'll know to keep that in mind when next time I read a post of yours.

you guys need to learn to play nice

It is definitely in my abilities to do so.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: BFG10K

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish I can fit all this in my sig!!! LMAO

If you removed the "QFT Rollo" and "Rollo for mod" sections you might well be able to fit it in. QFT Rollo isn't in there. And the character limit would be exceeded anyway. heh, I tried.

I personally thought that post was rather deranged, a cry for help even.

Wow! Even if that "cry for help" was directed at me, I would have LMAO. It was funny dude. It was real funny. And you have a 0% sense of humor, which explains so very much. At least from now on I'll know to keep that in mind when next time I read a post of yours.

you guys need to learn to play nice

It is definitely in my abilities to do so.

:beer:

 

[Greenman]

So after 9 pages of posts the only real information we have is that nvidia is buying ULI, and the fx5200 wasn't a very good video card? (I still have a 5200 I use as a spare, HL2 looks pretty good on it).

I'll kick in a few bucks if we want to hire someone to do a "cliff's notes" verision of these long threads.

 

[kd2777]

Originally posted by: fliguy84
so after this, will ULi chipsets still be around? or nvidia will halt them to focus more on nforce chipsets

ULi will continue to make chipsets under the name nVULi.

kd






jk

 

[Gstanfor]

Firing Squad nVidia Uli Interview