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The 6870 is currently AMD's "high end" at least until they can get something better out. I think their marketing department hurt them by doing that name switch. The 560 is probably a 470 replacement as they phase those out, so I expect performance to be the same. Faster than AMD's current high end for around $250.
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It will probably be something like fully working 384 SP GF104 parts in the beginning, similar solution as the 512 SP GTX580s (GF100B/GF110). Maybe saved chips if they did put Bins aside. This should give somewhere around GTX470 performance but at an appreciably lower cost level.

You forget(?) about the HD5870 and HD5970 though, even if HD5970 is sparse as GTX580 I don't see how anyone would claim to 6870 to be the high end part in the middle of the launch.

Was GTX580 nvidias low end part before 7/12?
 
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Yep, its over now. Once again AMD/ATI will be out of business for the 10546282654849 time, according to some people.
 
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Yep, its over now. Once again AMD/ATI will be out of business for the 10546282654849 time, according to some people.
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And we all know that once AMD is out of business, nVidia card prices will drop, performance will quad... wait that's not right.
 
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I think many of you forgot how small Barts actually is in comparison to its competitors. AMD can drop prices easily if they HAVE to. Currently its selling faster than production so they don't have to do squat until NV responds with the gtx560.
 
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Wreckage said:
The 6870 is currently AMD's "high end" at least until they can get something better out. I think their marketing department hurt them by doing that name switch. The 560 is probably a 470 replacement as they phase those out, so I expect performance to be the same. Faster than AMD's current high end for around $250.
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Don't you think your above statement is far fetached? Even a little bit? If so then we can look at the other side of the spectrum. I guess the GTX570 is all Nvidia has to combat AMD's integrated and low end graphics. Or the GTX570 is combating AMD's current 68xx cards. It just doesn't make sense.

The 5970 is available on Newegg for $470 AR. 5870's are available for $250 AR. AMD obviously has higher end parts out right now. Both companies are transitioning to their next gen parts (or really a half gen in Nvidia's case). That doesn't make the current gen parts not count...
 
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Silverforce11 said:
I think many of you forgot how small Barts actually is in comparison to its competitors. AMD can drop prices easily if they HAVE to. Currently its selling faster than production so they don't have to do squat until NV responds with the gtx560.
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Given how weak their sales are, their production must really suck then :p

j/k

You seem to have some good insider information on how much in demand the 68's are. Do you mind sharing the source so I can look in to it, or is it classified FYEO?
 
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Given how weak their sales are, their production must really suck then :p

j/k

You seem to have some good insider information on how much in demand the 68's are. Do you mind sharing the source so I can look in to it, or is it classified FYEO?
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I work for a major distributer, and there's been plenty of 68xx cards imported and sold at all the retailers we supply. Honestly, i don't see value on those cards at their current prices, but for some reason they sell well.
 
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Hi there

All I can say is they are bloody fast.

For the money I am amazed.

I can see this launch being hugely sucessul for ATI, easily on par with 58xx series but better because I literally have enough stock to prevent running out which will also mean our pricing will be excellent and I should be able to keep the price low low, no price hikes.
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So, hold your horses... if the 6950 is priced right and wins price/performance again...
 
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chewietobbacca said:
So, hold your horses... if the 6950 is priced right and wins price/performance again...
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It is going to have to priced aggressively if it is not faster since Nvidia has gotten heat, power, and noise under control. They may end up being more 'efficient' per watt if they aren't faster, but that argument likely won't stick as well this time around because Nvidia increased performance without seeing any measureable increase in power in order to acheive it.
 
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Barfo said:
LMAO!

If the 560 is priced right then yes, I see the green team going back to complete dominance on the desktop once again.
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AMD is mopping the floor with NV on the mobile side thanks to its very energy efficient GPUs. Future growth will continue on the mobile side with desktop GPUs becoming less and less important.

By 2014, only 10% of total processors on the market are projected to be PCs.

AMD's strategy long-term makes a lot more sense for the consumer market since they can't compete in the professional market, desktop market will continue to have slow growth, if not decline even further. Also, if it wasn't for component shortages, HD6850 and HD6870 would be far more competitive price wise. This should be corrected in 2011. If HD6870 drops to $199, then GTX560 will not really be any better.

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Imagine if the price is like ludicrously low for the performance, price cuts overnight and Christmas for everyone!
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If 6970 is within 5-10% of the GTX580 but costs $399, that's a win in my book. Performance crown is for fanboys and mainly brand positioning.

I am still shocked that AMD was able to be so dominant with 5770/5850/5870 for 14 months and it's looking more and more that it is starting to lose its price/performance leadership in almost every segment on the desktop besides HD5970....and the few HD5850/5870 cards that are still on sale at great prices.
 
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badb0y said:
This is looking less like the R300 and more like the HD 4xxx vs GTX 2xx sequel.

Imagine if the price is like ludicrously low for the performance, price cuts overnight and Christmas for everyone!
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You are right. This is going to be another gtx285 vs 4890.
Nvidia will drop prices to match performance (if it needs to), we all win.
 
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Nvidia= "the comeback kid"

I think the gtx 560 will be the final nail in the coffin for AMD's 68xx series.
Back to top to bottom ownage. :)

I have a feeling its gonna get quiet around here real soon.
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So you really expect the 560 to be faster than the 470, which is sort of ok competition for the 6870. I do agree that a non flop 470 would be nice, but hardly revolutionary.
 
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ronnn said:
So you really expect the 560 to be faster than the 470, which is sort of ok competition for the 6870. I do agree that a non flop 470 would be nice, but hardly revolutionary.
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Yes I do. They will up the clocks to beat the 6870,you can bet on it.

I hate to say it , but I honestly believe that the whole gtx5xxx series will be faster then the AMD competition.

The gtx 580,570,565,560,550 will outperform the 6970,50,30, 6870 and 6850.
 
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Yes I do. They will up the clocks to beat the 6870,you can bet on it.

I hate to say it , but I honestly believe that the whole gtx5xxx series will be faster then the AMD competition.

The gtx 580,570,565,560,550 will outperform the 6970,50,30, 6870 and 6850.
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Agreed. I think down the line Nvidia will have the faster performing part vs. the same tier in AMD's lineup. To AMD's defense, though, they did release the 6870 and 6850 a few months ahead of gf114.
 
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Market share? Are we speculating that an unreleased card will sell bucket loads in comparison to AMD's offerings?
 
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To be honest the market share for AMD has no place to go but down unless they sell at a ratio of 9:1 which is impossible.
 
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badb0y said:
What's the specs? I think I missed the announcement.
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Its a full gtx460 with all shaders enables and the full 64 tmu's.
Its based on the gf114 chip. its a refreshed gf104 just like the gtx480 gf100 was refreshed to the gtx580 gf110.

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/20835-geforce-gtx-560-comes-next-year-has-384-shaders

http://vr-zone.com/articles/report-nvidia-geforce-gtx-560-in-2011-features-384-sp/10295.html

There was also some Nvidia slides that showed the 2011 roadmap, I can't find it. There was also a dual chip card comming in January.
 
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