Totally agree! Also think to excuse any marketing ploy by saying "the other guy does it" - also betrays your prejudice.
Totally agree! Also think to excuse any marketing ploy by saying "the other guy does it" - also betrays your prejudice.
Keysplayr
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But the problem (why it's considered a problem, I do not know) is that "the other guy" whichever side of the fence your sitting on, does do it, and will continue to do it at any chance and opportunity that presents itself.
Question: Who is upset that Nvidia scheduled an event on the same day as AMD's event?
All those who raised their hands, go out back, break a branch off of a tree, and have your friend beat you with it.
Now that would be a reason to be upset. hehe.
I have no problem with a nvidia event. I do have problems with nvidia's claims at these events and their past viral ways of killing sales until they have a card out.
bryanW1995
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Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Originally posted by: nemesismk2
Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Originally posted by: nemesismk2
ATI's launch in September is going to be very interesting and might raise questions about Nvidia's ability to compete against ATI's DX11 video cards. I hope Nvidia can compete or there will be no reason for ATI to keep the prices down which as a consumer will be bad.
How does this raise the question? The simple act of ATI releasing a card raises the question of whether or not Nvidia can compete against DX11? I don't get it.
It's just a bit worrying that Nvidia has gone so far befind ATI that they have not even released a video card using DX10.1 yet and seem so far off releasing DX11. I want a choice for a DX11 video card between Nvidia and ATI not just ATI.
Considering Nvidia's DX11 hardware is supposedly a completely new arch (MIMD), and AMD's is supposedly not (just more shaders, ROPs TUs), I think "being far behind" is a matter of subjectiveness.
I had not heard that, that could end up making a major difference. They could be 6 months behind but obliterate amd in performance and still come out ok as long as they kept people informed of just how incredibly badass gt300 was going to be. As hauk mentioned, many of us "could" wait if we wanted to badly enough. What I fear is an nvidia press event that is short on info and long on bs, what I EXPECT is for nvidia to reveal some badass new technology that will wrong-foot amd's launch a bit. New product launches are always very interesting...
bryanW1995
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What??? Are you claiming that ati was absolutely silent for 6 months after 8800gtx launched? Are you out of your mind? They might not be as sneaky (and effective) as nvidia's marketing dept, ati's marketing dept was also tasked with ensuring that they sold as many video cards as possible. Do you mean to tell us that amd would have just sat back and allowed 8800gtx/s to take over the entire mid/upper range without saying a word??? If so, no wonder they were bought out, they were all idiots. Please don't take this the wrong way, but WE would have to be idiots to think that ati did nothing to rain on nvidia's parade. I'm not saying that it's nice, or pretty, or "fair", but this is (graphics) war; it would be suicidal for either side to refrain from using any legal tactic that they believe to be of benefit to them or a hindrance to the other side.
bryanW1995
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Originally posted by: Idontcare
That's how sorta how Thomas Pabst and Anand Lal Shimpi got started
Not to mention NV's shareholders. I'd question the leadership if the decision was made to ignore or refrain from doing anything to stifle ATI's attempt to generate hype (and what else would you call the Sept 10 mtg?) surrounding there nex-gen product lineup.
This isn't a business tactic invented by Nvidia, or Intel for that matter, this approach runs just as deep and long as the very hype-generating events themselves have been around. Across many industries, not just semiconductor.
Guess what, my local Ford dealership is having a "blow-out savings labor day weekend sale" this weekend, and wouldn't you know it but the gosh-darned Toyota dealership went and tried to steal the Ford dealership's thunder by announcing their own labor-day sales event after the Ford dealership had already announced their weekend plans.
It happens, these are called "best practices" and they are taught and learned by management in all walks of business and industry.
To cry foul or unfair when NV or Intel does it is betraying your own prejudice and bias regarding your favorite cpu/gpu maker, it doesn't really change the fact these guys are doing what their shareholders and employees expect them to do as a matter of effecting their fiduciary responsibilities.
you had me until you mentioned that toyota was trying to steal ford's thunder. maybe nissan or honda...
I didn't see much in the way of outrage... I wanted to know if either of these companies would have anything meaningful to talk about or show. AMD showed working 58x0 cards running 6 monitors at once and talked about their upcoming cards it looks like. Does anyone know what Nvidia displayed or talked about to the press?
I am interested in this too. Does anyone know?
Yea, 6 monitors is nice and all, but will never benefit me or most other people. Maybe the benchmarks are going to be on the later September date? Maybe tomorrow?
bryanW1995
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this is just the pre-launch launch. The REAL launch will be sept 24. We'll get benchmarks on oct 3, and on oct 5 three lucky winners will win a powercolor 5870 (that they will actually receive on jan 31, 2010). This is the crap that happens when team A comes early to the table and knows that team B is so far behind that they can lollygag around with their launch.
Anything is better than this, even the dreaded paper launch!
Anything is better than this, even the dreaded paper launch!
bryanW1995
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Well it looks like it's actually going to be a 5850. Since the early ad's for the contest states a $299 card..
We should start a tally on what Semiaccurate.com has stated so far for the upcoming AMD and Nvidia parts and see what they get right, what they were in the ball park on, and what they weren't even close on.
I'm not sure if they were the ones who stated that AMD's part would have the 1600/80/32 specs or not? I know they stated that Nvidia would be months behind AMD in releasing their new cards. Anything else? I'd like to see how accurate they are or aren't.
I remember Charlie stated that the GTX295 was going to be made in very small quanitities or killed off all together because it was a part created just to win the 'halo' benchmarks and was losing money. Clearly he was wrong about that, but in his defense the sandwich card was killed off and the part was redesigned.
We should make a list and see how accurate (or not accurate) he ends up being after ther dust settles.
bryanW1995
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sadly, I think that their website says it all. They're just, um, semi-accurate.
iirc chiphell announced the 1600/80/32 a month ago. they get a lot of info there.
So yesterday was the pre-pre-launch, the 24th is the pre-launch and Oct. 3rd is launch? Or is Oct. 22 the launch? Or maybe Oct 22 is retail availability. How about less marketing and more substance! It was so great the last two years when they launched the day the NDA expired. Since AMD is the first to bring paper launches back, or whatever this is called, Nvidia will probably start doing it again. *sigh*
bryanW1995
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it's not a paper launch until they say "launch date is X" and when X arrives there are none to be found. Yesterday was not "launch", it was the pre-launch NAVAL BATTLE BIG EVENT. If the japanese had invaded they would have been ready, if santa clara had invaded they would have been screwed.
While we're on the subject, there is enough hype around 5xxx that they will probably be in short supply for a while after launch. The problem with this is that it's hard to tell if it's a "paper" launch or if there are just too many people snapping up the tens of thousands of units that were just waiting to be bought.
My understanding is that nda lifts around sept 24 and they go on sale that day. Is that correct?
While we're on the subject, there is enough hype around 5xxx that they will probably be in short supply for a while after launch. The problem with this is that it's hard to tell if it's a "paper" launch or if there are just too many people snapping up the tens of thousands of units that were just waiting to be bought.
My understanding is that nda lifts around sept 24 and they go on sale that day. Is that correct?
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