Nvidia Q3 Financial Results

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I know some of this info is in the laptop share thread, but I figured it was good enough for it's own thread.
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=116466&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1629272&highlight=

...net income was $217.0 million, or $0.35 per diluted share. That compares with net income of $193.5 million, or $0.32 per diluted share, in the prior quarter, and net income of $117.4 million, $0.20 per share, in the same period a year earlier.

GAAP gross margin was 52.2 percent, a fifth consecutive record, compared with 51.7 percent in the previous quarter and 46.5 percent in the same period a year earlier. Non-GAAP gross margin, at 52.5 percent, was also a record, and compares with 51.9 percent in the prior quarter and 46.8 percent in the same period a year earlier.

If anyone sees or finds a transcript for the conference call, post the link! I'm interested to see if Jen-Hsun Huang shed anymore light on when Kepler will be out as well as when their first 28nm Tegra processor will come to market as well.
 

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Wow, NV blew past the $0.26 EPS analyst estimates. 52.2% gross margins are impressive. All the fud on sites like Semiaccurate about Fermi being a costly and low yielding chip has faded now that NV has beaten analyst estimates for 4 consecutive quarters. Clearly, the Fermi design was very successful for NV and the large die strategy makes a lot more sense for NV. The argument that a large GPU die is too costly to be worthwhile cannot be made by AMD given that nV has achieved yet another record gross margin quarter.

"Its Professional Solutions group, which includes graphics chips used in workstations, grew 9.5 percent sequentially in the third quarter. "We're impressed with the growth in the work station business. That's high margin. We think that's why they beat on the bottom line," said Kevin Cassidy, an analyst at Stifel Nicolaus." ~ Reuters

That's what happens when you design a good all-around GPU that isn't just good at games. You make a killing in the lucrative professional markets.

Tegra seems to be doing well:

"Nvidia's Consumer Products group, which includes the Tegra chips, rose 14 percent sequentially to $191 million in the quarter. Huang in September said Tegra revenues would reach $1 billion next year, surprising some analysts." ~ Reuters

I have a feeling Nvidia will do even better in 2012. Tegra 3 will likely get more design wins and Kepler might allow them to take some market share away from AMD in the mobile space if the GPU is far more efficient in performance/watt than Fermi.
 
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Thats why i don't think AMD is going to go for a small die strategy on 28nm. NV is steaming ahead and i bet they will make the biggest GPU they can get away with. If AMD released a small HPC-focussed (GCN) gpu, do you realize how badly they will get slaughtered?

Previous architectures focussed for gaming, they could get away with being 30-50% smaller while offering 80-90% of competitor performance.

Performance crown reflect on everything in your business. Brand name and street cred is king. Everything NV does sells well and with a price premium just because the average joe thinks NV is automatically a better brand (similar to apple/nike/whatever). The sooner AMD realizes this the bigger their revenue will be. Associating themselves with "budget options" make your brand cheap and nasty.
 

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And maybe we'll get Kepler sooner than later.... looking at Newegg, there sure are quite a few gtx570's and 580's out of stock now....

Probably massive upgrade wave due to BF3/SKYRIM. Surely, NV isn't going to sneak in GTX670/680 in large volumes before the year ends?

Thats why i don't think AMD is going to go for a small die strategy on 28nm. NV is steaming ahead and i bet they will make the biggest GPU they can get away with. If AMD released a small HPC-focussed (GCN) gpu, do you realize how badly they will get slaughtered?

Which is why I think releasing $100-250 GPUs on 28nm based on VLIW-4 makes so much sense. They can use the small die strategy for low and mid-range segments and get unbeatable performance/watt. A 28nm HD7870 would be fast enough for mobile GPU on the high-end too.

For the desktop high-end, for GCN, they could go all out and make a 450-500mm^2 chip with a $499 price. If HD7970 can come close to a performance of a $699 HD6990 for $200 less, then it's going to fly off the shelves. I feel like AMD held back with the HD5870. It offered near HD4870x2 level of performance but was priced under $400.
 
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Wow, NV blew past the $0.26 EPS analyst estimates. 52.2% gross margins are impressive. All the fud on sites like Semiaccurate about Fermi being a costly and low yielding chip has faded now that NV has beaten analyst estimates for 4 consecutive quarters. Clearly, the Fermi design was very successful for NV and the large die strategy makes a lot more sense for NV. The argument that a large GPU die is too costly to be worthwhile cannot be made by AMD given that nV has achieved yet another record gross margin quarter.

"Its Professional Solutions group, which includes graphics chips used in workstations, grew 9.5 percent sequentially in the third quarter. "We're impressed with the growth in the work station business. That's high margin. We think that's why they beat on the bottom line," said Kevin Cassidy, an analyst at Stifel Nicolaus." ~ Reuters

That's what happens when you design a good all-around GPU that isn't just good at games. You make a killing in the lucrative professional markets.

Tegra seems to be doing well:

"Nvidia's Consumer Products group, which includes the Tegra chips, rose 14 percent sequentially to $191 million in the quarter. Huang in September said Tegra revenues would reach $1 billion next year, surprising some analysts." ~ Reuters

I have a feeling Nvidia will do even better in 2012. Tegra 3 will likely get more design wins and Kepler might allow them to take some market share away from AMD in the mobile space if the GPU is far more efficient in performance/watt than Fermi.

Margins above guidance, some of this was attributed to higher-end GeForce desktop products. too.
 

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Here is the complete article from WSJ, I noticed it does not always display the whole article wanting the reader to subscribe. Depending how you are hot-linked to the story, it lets you read the full text.
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20111110-721333.html
--Nvidia's third-quarter profit more than doubled
--Company says results driven by accelerating graphics sales and strong traction in its mobile chip business
--Chip maker reports sequentially higher revenue in all of its businesses
(Updates throughout with additional details and analyst comments.)
By Shara Tibken Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Nvidia Corp.'s (NVDA) fiscal third-quarter profit more than doubled on robust demand from videogame and professional customers.
Nvidia's main graphics-chips business has held up over the past year despite fears of a slowdown in consumer spending. On Thursday, the Santa Clara, Calif., company said sales actually strengthened in the latest period.
"Our [graphics] business accelerated in the third quarter, driven by strong demand from gamers and the professional market," Chief Executive Jen-Hsun Huang said.
Meanwhile, Nvidia's mobile processor, dubbed Tegra, benefited from new devices coming onto the market, Huang said. The strong position of its Tegra applications processor in mobile devices has boosted the top line, though some analysts have worried about competition from competitors such as Qualcomm Inc. (QCOM) and Texas Instruments Inc. (TXN).
"With Tegra 3 phone wins well ahead of Tegra 2's pace, we're expecting strong growth in the year ahead," he said.
Shares, down 6% in the year through Thursday's close, climbed 5% to $15.20 in after-hours trading.
Many investors and analysts have taken more bearish views on Nvidia of late, worried about share loss in graphics and intensifying competition in the smartphone and tablet market. Needham analyst Rajvindra Gill said investors were relieved by the results Thursday, helping send shares higher.
"It wasn't an out-of-the-park quarter, but the negative sentiment was pretty high heading into the quarter," he said.
The Silicon Valley company is best known for chips called graphics processing units, or GPUs, which generate visual effects in videogames played on personal computers and consoles. Questions have been raised about the long-term future of that business, in part because Intel Corp. (INTC) and Advanced Micro Devices Inc. (AMD) have begun including graphics as a built-in feature of microprocessor chips.
However, Nvidia and AMD, which also sells GPUs, have said those chips continue to be added to PC configurations. Nvidia on Thursday said revenue in its consumer graphics business grew 1% sequentially to $644.8 million, largely due to a 23% rise in desktop GPU revenue.
One negative factor in Nvidia's GPU business has been Apple Inc.'s (AAPL) recent decision to drop Nvidia GPUs in favor of AMD's products. Nvidia on Thursday said that move contributed to a sequential decline in notebook GPU revenue, as did likely share loss by Intel to AMD. Nvidia GPUs are often paired with Intel processors.
Nvidia, meanwhile, has placed a major bet that it can move beyond PCs into mobile devices, with chips that combine graphics and a microprocessor on the same piece of silicon. The company has experienced strong traction with its Tegra mobile chip, but rivals have racked up recent high-profile design wins.
Nvidia on Thursday said revenue for its consumer products group, which includes Tegra, rose 14% from the second quarter. Most of the gain came from the mobile chip and a seasonal increase in game console royalties, the company said.
Nvidia also reported revenue in its professional solutions business, which includes workstation graphics, increased 9.5% sequentially to a record $230.3 million.
For the quarter ended Oct. 30, Nvidia reported a profit of $178.3 million, or 29 cents a share, up from $84.9 million, or 15 cents a share, a year earlier. Excluding stock-based compensation, acquisition-related costs and other items, per-share earnings climbed to 35 cents from 32 cents. Analysts expected income of 26 cents a share, according to a Thomson Reuters poll.
Revenue grew 26% to $1.07 billion. In August, Nvidia forecast 4% to 6% sequential revenue growth, which would generate between $1.06 billion and $1.08 billion, a view ahead of analysts' estimates at the time.
Gross margin widened to 52.2% from 46.5%.
For the current quarter, the company said revenue could vary by up to 2% from the third quarter, which would mean $1.04 billion to $1.09 billion in revenue. Analysts on average project $1.07 billion, according to Thomson Reuters.
 
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"Nvidia on Thursday said revenue in its consumer graphics business grew 1% sequentially to $644.8 million, largely due to a 23% rise in desktop GPU revenue."

Wait, that doesn't make sense. Desktop GPU sales have increased 23% (probably due to BF3/Skyrim) but NV only managed to increase their own GPU revenue by 1%??
 

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"Nvidia on Thursday said revenue in its consumer graphics business grew 1% sequentially to $644.8 million, largely due to a 23% rise in desktop GPU revenue."

Wait, that doesn't make sense. Desktop GPU sales have increased 23% (probably due to BF3/Skyrim) but NV only managed to increase their own GPU revenue by 1%??

It was the loss of chip-set revenue from Q2 to Q3 - the 23 percent rise in desktop GPU revenue made up for it, I believe.
 
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"Nvidia also reported revenue in its professional solutions business, which includes workstation graphics, increased 9.5% sequentially to a record $230.3 million."

That's $230M with a 1000% margin. It sure helps to sell fermi for >$3000 ea.
 

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Probably massive upgrade wave due to BF3/SKYRIM. Surely, NV isn't going to sneak in GTX670/680 in large volumes before the year ends?

I still do not think there will be any 28nm GPU's from Nvidia to buy this year. Perhaps they went mid-size die with 28nm first... something about the size of GF114, but with the power of a gtx580 or better. I doubt that too. But one thing is for sure, inventory of current GPU products are noticeably going down with e-tailers.
 

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I still do not think there will be any 28nm GPU's from Nvidia to buy this year. Perhaps they went mid-size die with 28nm first... something about the size of GF114, but with the power of a gtx580 or better. I doubt that too. But one thing is for sure, inventory of current GPU products are noticeably going down with e-tailers.

That's an interesting thought. With the shrink to 28nm, NV may be putting out a part with 512 SPs with higher clocks, lower thermals and a price around that of a GTX 570. That would put an end to the GTX 580 as far as most consumers are concerned. Maybe Kepler turned out as well as NV said it would :eek:
 

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Good for Nvidia. Now maybe they'll use this extra cash for better QA on their drivers?
 

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EXTRA CASH = tegra 3

once again the fastest gpu garunteed for Nvidia


1 year till game over,,more than likely ,but someone, somehow will keep AMD afloat.
and the low end
Best chances fusion
 
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Conference call transcript: (Thanks AtenRa)
http://seekingalpha.com/article/307...sses-q3-2012-results-earnings-call-transcript

Reading the Q&A, Huang mentions many times how hard they worked to make Kepler more energy efficient than Fermi.

On 28nm mobile Kepler parts...
And this is likely the most successful notebook cycle we've ever experienced. And so we've got a lot of engineers dedicated to getting those notebooks into production. The reason for our success, I believe, is because our Kepler generation of GPU was designed for intense energy efficiency.

On the Kepler architecture...
The thing that kept us from being even more successful is that our processor could've been more energy-efficient in itself. And so one of the things that we dedicated ourselves to do with Kepler was to focus an enormous amount of our energy on creating an architecture that was energy efficient.
 

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Which is why I think releasing $100-250 GPUs on 28nm based on VLIW-4 makes so much sense. They can use the small die strategy for low and mid-range segments and get unbeatable performance/watt. A 28nm HD7870 would be fast enough for mobile GPU on the high-end too.

For the desktop high-end, for GCN, they could go all out and make a 450-500mm^2 chip with a $499 price. If HD7970 can come close to a performance of a $699 HD6990 for $200 less, then it's going to fly off the shelves. I feel like AMD held back with the HD5870. It offered near HD4870x2 level of performance but was priced under $400.

Not sure if they will have resources to do all that plus the fusion projects for an extended period.
 

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Fermi is really cementing its FX5800 reference. It is like this is 2003\04 all over again.
 

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Why do you say that?

Fermi like the NV30 came out late, in the spring after an AMD\ATI release in the fall that set the competition ahead. Fermi like NV30 was large,hot, loud, and consumed a lot of power. Fermi like NV30 was a new arch and pushed the process envelope and was also bit by process issues. Fermi like NV30 appears set to be validated by subsequent iterations of the arch(NV30-->NV35-->NV40)=(GF100-->GF110-->Kepler). Ultimately it sounds like Fermi's legacy could be like NV30s. It set in motion a design that allowed Nvidia a long series of success stories and generated profits.
 

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And maybe we'll get Kepler sooner than later.... looking at Newegg, there sure are quite a few gtx570's and 580's out of stock now....

That has more to do with BF3 and skyrim than any theoretical imminent 28nm high end product on the immediate horizon.
 

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Fermi like the NV30 came out late, in the spring after an AMD\ATI release in the fall that set the competition ahead. Fermi like NV30 was large,hot, loud, and consumed a lot of power. Fermi like NV30 was a new arch and pushed the process envelope and was also bit by process issues. Fermi like NV30 appears set to be validated by subsequent iterations of the arch(NV30-->NV35-->NV40)=(GF100-->GF110-->Kepler). Ultimately it sounds like Fermi's legacy could be like NV30s. It set in motion a design that allowed Nvidia a long series of success stories and generated profits.

Good points! We shall see if this holds true when 28nm hits.
 

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Fermi like the NV30 came out late, in the spring after an AMD\ATI release in the fall that set the competition ahead. Fermi like NV30 was large,hot, loud, and consumed a lot of power. Fermi like NV30 was a new arch and pushed the process envelope and was also bit by process issues. Fermi like NV30 appears set to be validated by subsequent iterations of the arch(NV30-->NV35-->NV40)=(GF100-->GF110-->Kepler). Ultimately it sounds like Fermi's legacy could be like NV30s. It set in motion a design that allowed Nvidia a long series of success stories and generated profits.

Comparing Fermi to Nv30 is being really unfair to Fermi. Fermi Might have been hot and loud, but it was fast and did great in DX11. Even comparing NV40 to NV3x is unfair to NV40.

Nv30 was all negatives. There was really NO reason to get NV3x over R3xx. Performance and Image quality were both worse across the board for the same price. In DX9 games. The mid-range 9600 was beating the flagship FX cards.

NV40 and R400 were pretty much tied. Right now I think Fermi is the better arch. Nothing like NV3x.

Also... Bulldozer is called FX and so was Nv3x.... :p
 

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Fermi like the NV30 came out late, in the spring after an AMD\ATI release in the fall that set the competition ahead. Fermi like NV30 was large,hot, loud, and consumed a lot of power. Fermi like NV30 was a new arch and pushed the process envelope and was also bit by process issues. Fermi like NV30 appears set to be validated by subsequent iterations of the arch(NV30-->NV35-->NV40)=(GF100-->GF110-->Kepler). Ultimately it sounds like Fermi's legacy could be like NV30s. It set in motion a design that allowed Nvidia a long series of success stories and generated profits.
NV40 were substantially different, and none of the NV3x chips could compete well against the Radeon 9000 series in DirectX. Fermi had a late massive hot halo chip. They didn't prepare for 40nm as well as AMD, they stuck with a big crossbar, and their simulations turned out to not be like reality. Fermi is a good forward-looking design; NV0 was anything but.
 
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bryanW1995

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EXTRA CASH = tegra 3

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1 year till game over,,more than likely ,but someone, somehow will keep AMD afloat.
and the low end
Best chances fusion

Funny, 2 years ago I saw tons of "NVIDIA IS DOOOOOMED" statements splashed all across the interwebs. Let's at least check out 28nm from both camps before making our decisions, shall we?
 

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Wow, NV blew past the $0.26 EPS analyst estimates. 52.2% gross margins are impressive. All the fud on sites like Semiaccurate about Fermi being a costly and low yielding chip has faded now that NV has beaten analyst estimates for 4 consecutive quarters.
GF100 was bad, and only GF100. It's poor efficiency was necessary because they needed to get Teslas and Quadros out yesterday, by that time. They will need to make power efficiency a very high priority going forward, but everything since the GF104 has been at least good enough, and the expectations the FUD were based on generally involved Fermi after GF100 to be nothing but cut-down GF100.

Personally, I doubt they'll bother with 28nm PC GPUs this year. They can already get premiums for their 40nm GPUs, and they really can't afford the PR of another late one like that. Better to have a lax schedule and it out early or near on time, than an aggressive schedule and fumbles, even if AMD can radically beat them in performance per Watt for several months. They need Fermi++ to get out the door perfectly, much more than they need it to get out the door quickly. Likewise, I hope they learned to slightly overestimate power consumption on their SoCs.

Good for Nvidia. Now maybe they'll use this extra cash for better QA on their drivers?
+1 on that. I've been lucky enough not to have pervasive TDR issues, but it seems I need to keep the DPC latency checker around every time I want to see about upgrading my video driver.
 
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