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Nvidia pulls C51, Geforce 6150 motherboards
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The benchmarks I saw of the 6150 were pretty underwhelming - my Xpress 200 throttles it pretty badly. Keep in mind I've got the dedicated 128mb variant, but I've come to expect more from nVIdia.
That said, I'd still go for a 6150 if I could do it all over again, because ATI's Linux drivers _really suck_.
-Erwos
That said, I'd still go for a 6150 if I could do it all over again, because ATI's Linux drivers _really suck_.
-Erwos
I just like the fact that I can buy a motherboard, plop it into her existing case, add a LG DVD burner, cheapest 939 CPU out, and good budget RAM...and I'm thinking a decent quiet P/S...and I'm all done.
Everything is on the board...shouldn't have to mess with any conflicts period.
It's got just enough expandability that it should last upgrade-wise for 10 years at least, if not more.
Chuck
Everything is on the board...shouldn't have to mess with any conflicts period.
It's got just enough expandability that it should last upgrade-wise for 10 years at least, if not more.
Chuck
This is story is false, here's what nVidia themselves have to say about it:
"An article has appeared today on the Inquirer claiming that NVIDIA has "pulled all of the C51, GeForce 6100 and GeForce 6150 motherboards as it discovered some serious flaws."
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27129
These claims are entirely false. NVIDIA has not ceased shipping, pulled back, or recalled any NVIDIA nForce products. Our recently announced GeForce 6150, GeForce 6100, and NVIDIA nForce 430/400-based GPU motherboards are in full production and are selling very well for us, as are all of our NVIDIA nForce products, including NVIDIA nForce4 SLI, which continues to set the standard for dual GPU configurations.
In its story, the Inquirer article makes many factually inaccurate statements.
The first claims there is a problem with our ActiveArmor Firewall on dual LAN motherboards.
The Inquirer claims that boards with two LAN ports would cause confusion for consumers who would not know whether or not they were protected by the NVIDIA Firewall. As you may know, the NVIDIA Firewall is built directly into the NVIDIA networking driver. It was designed this way to stop possible hacking attempts when booting up your PC.
For those motherboards with a secondary LAN port, the end user would have to install a third party network driver that would normally be supplied by the motherboard manufacturer. How the LAN ports are marked/named/designated on the actual motherboard backplane is up to the motherboard manufacturer.
Because the NVIDIA Firewall is built into our networking driver, it of course only works with the NVIDIA LAN port. An end user would have to install a standalone Firewall application to protect the secondary LAN port, if enabled. This is not new information, and in fact, was disclosed when we launched our first NVIDIA nForce3 product a few years ago.
In addition, there are no dual LAN GeForce 6100/nForce 400 motherboards in development. So, the assertion that this ?development? would somehow force us to recall NVIDIA GeForce 6150/6100-based GPU motherboards is untrue.
The Inquirer article then goes on to say that some users have experienced "data corruption issues with this chipset." The article provides a link to a thread on "forums.nvidia.com", which was only started on October 9, 2005, where a few end users have described a problem doing multiple copies of the same file. However, a posting from today, October 21, 2005, claims the issue is related to a hard disk drive firmware issue and includes a link to the firmware .zip file.
As we do with all end-user comments, we are investigating this thread as we are not aware of any such issue relating to any NVIDIA nForce products relating to data corruption.
How the Inquirer makes a connection of a recent Web thread to a theoretical worldwide recall of our entire new product portfolio is beyond us.
Again, just to be clear, we have NOT ceased shipping, pulled back, or recalled any NVIDIA nForce products. Our recently announced GeForce 6150, GeForce 6100, and nForce 430/400-based GPU motherboards are in full production and are selling very well for us, as are all of our nForce products, including nForce4 SLI, which continues to set the standard for dual GPU configurations.
If you have already bought one of these products, we thank-you for your patronage and continued support of NVIDIA and our partners in the retail channel. We hope you enjoy using these products as much as we have enjoyed designing it and bringing it to market.
For those of you interested in purchasing GeForce 6100/6150-based GPU motherboard solutions today, please check out such leading e-tail sites such as www.newegg.com where there are a wide variety of products currently available, including:
ASRock K8NF4G-SATA2 Socket 754 NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
BIOSTAR TForce6100 Socket 754 NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
BIOSTAR TForce6100-939 Socket 939 NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
GIGABYTE GA-K8N51GMF-9 Socket 939 NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
BIOSTAR iDEQ 330N AMD Socket 939 AMD Athlon 64 FX/Athlon 64/Sempron NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Barebone - Retail
All of these products are terrific for your home, business, and small form factor use.
Cheers!
Bryan Del Rizzo
Senior PR Manager
NVIDIA Corporation
2701 San Tomas Expressway
Santa Clara, CA 95050 "
"An article has appeared today on the Inquirer claiming that NVIDIA has "pulled all of the C51, GeForce 6100 and GeForce 6150 motherboards as it discovered some serious flaws."
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27129
These claims are entirely false. NVIDIA has not ceased shipping, pulled back, or recalled any NVIDIA nForce products. Our recently announced GeForce 6150, GeForce 6100, and NVIDIA nForce 430/400-based GPU motherboards are in full production and are selling very well for us, as are all of our NVIDIA nForce products, including NVIDIA nForce4 SLI, which continues to set the standard for dual GPU configurations.
In its story, the Inquirer article makes many factually inaccurate statements.
The first claims there is a problem with our ActiveArmor Firewall on dual LAN motherboards.
The Inquirer claims that boards with two LAN ports would cause confusion for consumers who would not know whether or not they were protected by the NVIDIA Firewall. As you may know, the NVIDIA Firewall is built directly into the NVIDIA networking driver. It was designed this way to stop possible hacking attempts when booting up your PC.
For those motherboards with a secondary LAN port, the end user would have to install a third party network driver that would normally be supplied by the motherboard manufacturer. How the LAN ports are marked/named/designated on the actual motherboard backplane is up to the motherboard manufacturer.
Because the NVIDIA Firewall is built into our networking driver, it of course only works with the NVIDIA LAN port. An end user would have to install a standalone Firewall application to protect the secondary LAN port, if enabled. This is not new information, and in fact, was disclosed when we launched our first NVIDIA nForce3 product a few years ago.
In addition, there are no dual LAN GeForce 6100/nForce 400 motherboards in development. So, the assertion that this ?development? would somehow force us to recall NVIDIA GeForce 6150/6100-based GPU motherboards is untrue.
The Inquirer article then goes on to say that some users have experienced "data corruption issues with this chipset." The article provides a link to a thread on "forums.nvidia.com", which was only started on October 9, 2005, where a few end users have described a problem doing multiple copies of the same file. However, a posting from today, October 21, 2005, claims the issue is related to a hard disk drive firmware issue and includes a link to the firmware .zip file.
As we do with all end-user comments, we are investigating this thread as we are not aware of any such issue relating to any NVIDIA nForce products relating to data corruption.
How the Inquirer makes a connection of a recent Web thread to a theoretical worldwide recall of our entire new product portfolio is beyond us.
Again, just to be clear, we have NOT ceased shipping, pulled back, or recalled any NVIDIA nForce products. Our recently announced GeForce 6150, GeForce 6100, and nForce 430/400-based GPU motherboards are in full production and are selling very well for us, as are all of our nForce products, including nForce4 SLI, which continues to set the standard for dual GPU configurations.
If you have already bought one of these products, we thank-you for your patronage and continued support of NVIDIA and our partners in the retail channel. We hope you enjoy using these products as much as we have enjoyed designing it and bringing it to market.
For those of you interested in purchasing GeForce 6100/6150-based GPU motherboard solutions today, please check out such leading e-tail sites such as www.newegg.com where there are a wide variety of products currently available, including:
ASRock K8NF4G-SATA2 Socket 754 NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
BIOSTAR TForce6100 Socket 754 NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
BIOSTAR TForce6100-939 Socket 939 NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
GIGABYTE GA-K8N51GMF-9 Socket 939 NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
BIOSTAR iDEQ 330N AMD Socket 939 AMD Athlon 64 FX/Athlon 64/Sempron NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Barebone - Retail
All of these products are terrific for your home, business, and small form factor use.
Cheers!
Bryan Del Rizzo
Senior PR Manager
NVIDIA Corporation
2701 San Tomas Expressway
Santa Clara, CA 95050 "
This is pretty silly. Anyone whos used an Nforce 4 board would know that the firewall is strictly available to the Nvidia portion of the networking. Its designed to protect the computer at a hardware level for Nvidia NIC cards. If you're using a Marvel NIC then you shouldnt expect it to be compatible with an Nvidia hardware feature. Thats just plain silly if you ask me. I would be surprised if these lower end boards even included a second NIC to be honest.
When inquirer posts things like this you have to really wonder about them. Because its almost as if they never use the products in question. The product also isnt "canceled" at all and it the problems occuring with data corruption turned out to be an IDE firmware problem.
Chris
When inquirer posts things like this you have to really wonder about them. Because its almost as if they never use the products in question. The product also isnt "canceled" at all and it the problems occuring with data corruption turned out to be an IDE firmware problem.
Chris
Megatomic
Lifer
I've used EVERY official revision of the NV SW IDE drivers and many of the unofficial revisions on 6 different nForce motherboards spanning the original NF2 to the NF4 SLI and I've NEVER had any of those data corruption issues. I did have one issue with that one infamous SW IDE driver which was not data corruption but BSOD. NV promptly pulled that driver btw and very little damage was done to systems around the world.
Feel free to try the NV SW IDE driver in the latest official UDP sets. They work wonderfully.
Rollo - any info on when the high end T-Force boards will be released? I was interested in the 6150/430 if it ever gets to market.
Feel free to try the NV SW IDE driver in the latest official UDP sets. They work wonderfully.
Rollo - any info on when the high end T-Force boards will be released? I was interested in the 6150/430 if it ever gets to market.
GadgetBuilder
Member
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"As we do with all end-user comments, we are investigating this thread as we are not aware of any such issue relating to any NVIDIA nForce products relating to data corruption."
...
Bryan Del Rizzo
Senior PR Manager
NVIDIA Corporation
2701 San Tomas Expressway
Santa Clara, CA 95050 "
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Bluntly put, this is BS. Bryan Del Rizzo is a PR flack and nVidia is not investigating any problems with data corruption experienced by users of their mobo chips.
I don't know what planet nVidia's Bryan Del Rizzo is living on but if he is not aware of data corruption complaints connected with NF2/NF3/NF4 mobo's then he is not alert and living on earth. Nor has he visited, read, and understood the forum he and the Inquirer article referenced -- the most read thread there concerns NAM, nVidia's firewall and many of the posts in that thread concern data corruption from the firewall or NIC (as he mentions, they are closely tied together so users are unable to tell which is causing the corruption). In addition, there are several more threads on nVidia's forum bemoaning data corruption and blaming various of nVidia's drivers, including the infamous IDE driver.
In another part of his PR release he says: ... "a few end users have described a problem doing multiple copies of the same file."...
And then dismisses it because someone in the forum said it was cause by a disk firmware issue. Again, nVidia has an excuse for not pursuing any of the problems reported by the minority of users who do run into problems.
In fact, nVidia has no way for a user to report a problem with a driver or with a chipset. They ignore all comments on their own forum and respond only to articles like the Inquirer's or sometimes they will respond to problems experienced by a reviewer -- nVidia's only response to user complaints is "We make chips, see your mobo manufacturer for hardware or driver problems".
Visit nVidia's forums and see for yourself:
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?s=f3...ead353326152f9b12af806c46&showforum=34
I have an NF4 based board and I have problems with occasional data corruption which I reported in the nVidia forum (long ago when I thought nVidia might actually fix problems). In addition, NAM accesses my disk 3 times per second - another problem reported by a few users of the nVidia forum; it has gotten no attention from nVidia. Even if the Inquirer did a feature article on problems reported in nVidia's forum I expect nVidia would simply claim only a few users are affected, claim that they are investigating, and then do nothing.
nVidia's philosophy: Why bother to fix a problem when you can simply have a PR guy baffle 'em with BS?
"As we do with all end-user comments, we are investigating this thread as we are not aware of any such issue relating to any NVIDIA nForce products relating to data corruption."
...
Bryan Del Rizzo
Senior PR Manager
NVIDIA Corporation
2701 San Tomas Expressway
Santa Clara, CA 95050 "
---------------------------------------
Bluntly put, this is BS. Bryan Del Rizzo is a PR flack and nVidia is not investigating any problems with data corruption experienced by users of their mobo chips.
I don't know what planet nVidia's Bryan Del Rizzo is living on but if he is not aware of data corruption complaints connected with NF2/NF3/NF4 mobo's then he is not alert and living on earth. Nor has he visited, read, and understood the forum he and the Inquirer article referenced -- the most read thread there concerns NAM, nVidia's firewall and many of the posts in that thread concern data corruption from the firewall or NIC (as he mentions, they are closely tied together so users are unable to tell which is causing the corruption). In addition, there are several more threads on nVidia's forum bemoaning data corruption and blaming various of nVidia's drivers, including the infamous IDE driver.
In another part of his PR release he says: ... "a few end users have described a problem doing multiple copies of the same file."...
And then dismisses it because someone in the forum said it was cause by a disk firmware issue. Again, nVidia has an excuse for not pursuing any of the problems reported by the minority of users who do run into problems.
In fact, nVidia has no way for a user to report a problem with a driver or with a chipset. They ignore all comments on their own forum and respond only to articles like the Inquirer's or sometimes they will respond to problems experienced by a reviewer -- nVidia's only response to user complaints is "We make chips, see your mobo manufacturer for hardware or driver problems".
Visit nVidia's forums and see for yourself:
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?s=f3...ead353326152f9b12af806c46&showforum=34
I have an NF4 based board and I have problems with occasional data corruption which I reported in the nVidia forum (long ago when I thought nVidia might actually fix problems). In addition, NAM accesses my disk 3 times per second - another problem reported by a few users of the nVidia forum; it has gotten no attention from nVidia. Even if the Inquirer did a feature article on problems reported in nVidia's forum I expect nVidia would simply claim only a few users are affected, claim that they are investigating, and then do nothing.
nVidia's philosophy: Why bother to fix a problem when you can simply have a PR guy baffle 'em with BS?
My HP zv6000 laptop has 128mb DDR dedicated. It uses a physical 64-bit pipe to the memory, since it's got two chips onboard. Performance is quite good for an integrated solution - ~750 3DMarks in 2005 (which isn't all that great in a general sense, I agree). I didn't buy the laptop for gaming, of course, but kicking up San Andreas to let off some steam is a handy trick.
-Erwos
deadseasquirrel
Golden Member
I'm currently running into problems with my 6100 build. Using a Biostar 6100-M9, 1 GB of PQI, and a 3000+ Winchester, I can get XP installed fine, but as soon as ANYTHING else is loaded, it BSODs all over the place.
I've tried: swapping PSUs for a known working one in another rig; swapped ram with known working ram from another rig; etc. Kinda running outta options. Tonight, I'm going to swap with a known working HDD that is PATA instead of SATA to see if that makes any headway. And I'm going to swap with a different known working CPU from my other rig. If neither of those work, the Biostar is going back to Newegg and I'll get something else and just use an old 3dfx V3 PCI I have lying around.
Any other ideas are greatly appreciated.
I've tried: swapping PSUs for a known working one in another rig; swapped ram with known working ram from another rig; etc. Kinda running outta options. Tonight, I'm going to swap with a known working HDD that is PATA instead of SATA to see if that makes any headway. And I'm going to swap with a different known working CPU from my other rig. If neither of those work, the Biostar is going back to Newegg and I'll get something else and just use an old 3dfx V3 PCI I have lying around.
Any other ideas are greatly appreciated.
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