NVIDIA preparing TITAN X Collector’s Edition

[Qwertilot]

I saw one interesting theory, that it's a full GP100. After all, they are on to Volta now and need to get rid of the chips. Just cut the DP to 1/3 or something. Throw in water cooling and some nVidia marketing of course.

Or even not bother to cut the DP - it’d still be well below the levels of Volta but would give some people a genuine reason to buy it if was pitched at ‘merely’ Titan(+) levels......

We’ll find out I suppose. Doing that would definitely make it harder for Volta to stand out.

 

[Excessi0n]

I saw one interesting theory, that it's a full GP100. After all, they are on to Volta now and need to get rid of the chips. Just cut the DP to 1/3 or something. Throw in water cooling and some nVidia marketing of course.

Not sure what the point of that would be. Doesn't it have the same number of single-precision units as GP102? Lower clockspeed too.

I wonder if they could use the double-precision units to do single-precision work. It seems like it would stomp everything if that were possible. God only knows how much power it would draw, though.

 

[tential]

Nvidia is more cult than tech company last few years but i dont think so.2k is insane.But i am sure first volta will be milking midrange x04 SKU(Gv104) for 700+.They will make far more money this way than with Titan.
They increased price for those midrange SKU by 350% since fermi.Its golden mine for them selling what used to be 200USD GPU for 700+USD.
Then TITAN for early adopters milking and after they milk enough they will release normal High-end card 2080TI for "normal" price.

This has been a tried and true thing from Nvidia. Unless you have STRONG reasoning otherwise, this is just how Nvidia does things.

 

[alcoholbob]

Not sure what the point of that would be. Doesn't it have the same number of single-precision units as GP102? Lower clockspeed too.

I wonder if they could use the double-precision units to do single-precision work. It seems like it would stomp everything if that were possible. God only knows how much power it would draw, though.

It has HBM2 though, so base memory bandwidth would be 720GB/s instead of 548GB/s. Although it probably won't be more than a 5-10% boost for gaming.

 

[Cloudfire777]

The thing is that nobody have seen the entire name of the card yet.

It could be called Titan X^v for all we know. Or X^2. Its a chance (although small) it could be a Volta card. Lets not rule that out.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

$1000 for phones. $1500 on video cards. People are getting dumber every day. When the market finally comes back down people are going to wish they had the grand or two in the bank vs having a stupid video card.

 

[PeterScott]

$1000 for phones. $1500 on video cards. People are getting dumber every day. When the market finally comes back down people are going to wish they had the grand or two in the bank vs having a stupid video card.

There is no sign of any of these trends reversing.

Instead manufacturers have realized that they can squeeze enthusiasts and the will just pay more and more.

 

[Cloudfire777]

There is no sign of any of these trends reversing.

Instead manufacturers have realized that they can squeeze enthusiasts and the will just pay more and more.

Its about playing it smart and giving the gamers what they want.

That Nvidia release their biggest GPU first, a card that will hold its ground for 2-3 years until something much faster comes along, I understand that many are interested in paying $1000 for that GPU and forget about the GPU race for several years...

 

[nurturedhate]

Its about playing it smart and giving the gamers what they want.

That Nvidia release their biggest GPU first, a card that will hold its ground for 2-3 years until something much faster comes along, I understand that many are interested in paying $1000 for that GPU and forget about the GPU race for several years...

Yep, if you told me I'd have the fastest video card available until fall 2020...

 

[PeterScott]

Its about playing it smart and giving the gamers what they want.

That Nvidia release their biggest GPU first, a card that will hold its ground for 2-3 years until something much faster comes along, I understand that many are interested in paying $1000 for that GPU and forget about the GPU race for several years...

Except it isn't. It's just a suckers game.

You spend a $1200 (not $1000) for a few months lead with a Titan, before the x80 Ti drops for much cheaper.

Titans are just milking those with more money than brains.

This time it will probably be the third Pascal Titan, with slightly faster clock, and LEDs on it for $1500, to test just how far they can push this nonsense.

If the suckers lap that up, the Titan Volta will probably launch at the low, low price of only $1999.

But for only $1999 you get to brag on internet forums about having the fastest GPU, for a couple of months. I guess for some, that is priceless.

 

[richaron]

Yep, if you told me I'd have the fastest video card available until fall 2020...

"That's exactly the sort of thinking that got us into this mess."

It's your own money and so forth... And this isn't about you personally. But I've noticed amongst 'enthusiasts' a tendency to think they need to buy the best of the best. As though you need to spend money to be an enthusiast, or as if there aren't other things to spend money on.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Except it isn't. It's just a suckers game.

You spend a $1200 (not $1000) for a few months lead with a Titan, before the x80 Ti drops for much cheaper.

Titans are just milking those with more money than brains.

This time it will probably be the third Pascal Titan, with slightly faster clock, and LEDs on it for $1500, to test just how far they can push this nonsense.

If the suckers lap that up, the Titan Volta will probably launch at the low, low price of only $1999.

But for only $1999 you get to brag on internet forums about having the fastest GPU, for a couple of months. I guess for some, that is priceless.

I see this argument all the time and it have no merit in the real world.

A 5-10% faster Ti card doesnt mean a thing to Titan owners when the Titan card is more or less the fastest of the entire architecture and they get to enjoy the card without any competition for a couple of years until the next architecture is there..

Those who get a Titan card are very aware of a cheaper Ti card dropping in 6-12 months from there. The whole point is that people who get a Titan card can afford a Titan card.

 

[PeterScott]

The whole point is that people who get a Titan card can afford a Titan card.

Anyone with a job can afford a Titan.

But those with wisdom realize, they will get the same performance for half the price in 6 months.

IMO it's the card for suckers, and NVidia keeps increasing the sucker pricing, and they keep paying it.

 

[nurturedhate]

"That's exactly the sort of thinking that got us into this mess."

It's your own money and so forth... And this isn't about you personally. But I've noticed amongst 'enthusiasts' a tendency to think they need to buy the best of the best. As though you need to spend money to be an enthusiast, or as if there aren't other things to spend money on.

Buying a $300+ midrange card every year is the same cost as a $1000 card once every 3 years. It has nothing to do with thinking "enthusiasts" need the "best of the best" it's a cost of ownership over time proposition. It's maximizing my invested money in a hobby I really enjoy.

 

[nurturedhate]

Anyone with a job can afford a Titan.

But those with wisdom realize, they will get the same performance for half the price in 6 months.

IMO it's the card for suckers, and NVidia keeps increasing the sucker pricing, and they keep paying it.

Exactly. my somewhat recent card purchases have went 4870 xfire -> 580 -> 780ti ->1070. There was a near doubling of performance in the first few jumps and that felt worthwhile. Then the prices started to climb again and while the 980ti was a nice card it was clear how nvidia was handling their release cadence. Saw a 1070 at $340 shortly after release and snagged one. Paying a high price for a card ($999) isn't an issue because of the price, it's an issue because it's not cost effective with nvidia's release cadence.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Buying a $300+ midrange card every year is the same cost as a $1000 card once every 3 years. It has nothing to do with thinking "enthusiasts" need the "best of the best" it's a cost of ownership over time proposition. It's maximizing my invested money in a hobby I really enjoy.

Just give it up. They dont understand it.

They rather sit there on their made up throne and berate anyone that doesnt buy midrange GPUs and say that its the only way, and bash on $1000 GPU buyers and complain that they berate the midrange buyers.

Its double standard to the moon but business as usual on these closed minded forums.

 

[wilds]

Just give it up. They dont understand it.

They rather sit there on their made up throne and berate anyone that doesnt buy midrange GPUs and say that its the only way, and bash on $1000 GPU buyers and complain that they berate the midrange buyers.

Its double standard to the moon but business as usual on these closed minded forums.

The $1000 GPU is nearly pointless except for early adopters. It only makes sense to buy a Titan on release, otherwise the XX80 ti will make it completely irrelevant.

I don't know anyone who buys a $300 GPU and upgrades every year. I buy $350-$450 GPU's and upgrade every 3 years. Right now without 4k144hz even on the market, the $1000 GPU tier seems even less worthwhile.

The cost to own a Titan isn't even that bad. Their resale value is fantastic if you take care of it at least. If I were a Titan buyer, I would definitely sell mine every year. But that is a hassle for me. 4k60 is such an easy performance target I could probably drop down to a GTX 1060....

 

[Cloudfire777]

The $1000 GPU is nearly pointless except for early adopters. It only makes sense to buy a Titan on release, otherwise the XX80 ti will make it completely irrelevant.

I don't know anyone who buys a $300 GPU and upgrades every year. I buy $350-$450 GPU's and upgrade every 3 years. Right now without 4k144hz even on the market, the $1000 GPU tier seems even less worthwhile.

The cost to own a Titan isn't even that bad. Their resale value is fantastic if you take care of it at least. If I were a Titan buyer, I would definitely sell mine every year. But that is a hassle for me. 4k60 is such an easy performance target I could probably drop down to a GTX 1060....

The same people that complain that Nvidia is milking the stupid Titan owners. The same people that is easily allured by Nvidia`s marketing like everyone else.

I dont personally know anyone that get new GPUs each year, but based on Nvidias sick revenue every year Id say there are more than we can imagine.
I think most people get a second 300 GPU and just go SLI if they need more performance. Or dish out for one of the big guns.

Yeah, if you have the choice between a Ti or a Titan you obviously get a Ti, not just only because its cheaper but also all the cooling choices from the AIBs, but the whole point of this discussion (mine atleast) was to get a Titan if it was the first card and forget about buying anything for 2-3 years.
Nobody knows if it takes 6 or 12+ months before a Ti card arrives anyway.

 

[PeterScott]

Nobody knows if it takes 6 or 12+ months before a Ti card arrives anyway.

You can have exactly the same interval x80 Ti to X80 Ti, as Titan to Titan, you just spend half as much.

That is what the smart money does.

 

[Cloudfire777]

You can have exactly the same interval x80 Ti to X80 Ti, as Titan to Titan, you just spend half as much.

That is what the smart money does.

Always behind 6-12 months on a new architecture.
Not everyone would call that smart..

 

[PeterScott]

Always behind 6-12 months on a new architecture.
Not everyone would call that smart..

Behind in what? GPU Epeen contests?

Games aren't going to suddenly be unplayable for the six months on x80 Ti GPU when the next Titan comes out.

 

[richaron]

Just give it up. They dont understand it.

They rather sit there on their made up throne and berate anyone that doesnt buy midrange GPUs and say that its the only way, and bash on $1000 GPU buyers and complain that they berate the midrange buyers.

Its double standard to the moon but business as usual on these closed minded forums.

wat?

I'm writing from a Ryzen 7 system with Vega 64, 64GB ECC a couple of ssds and an array of spinners. I know exactly what it's like to waste money on a PC.

And for a few years previously I was using a system where I spent more on the case fans than I did on the CPU/GPU. Plus I was using a set of headphones which cost more than the whole system combined. If you think buying high end GPUs is in anyway economical then you have a lot to learn.

What I was saying is that there's plenty more hardware to spend money on than the main internals, and most of that other hardware is a better investment. But that other stuff doesn't enlarge epeen...

 

[nurturedhate]

What I was saying is that there's plenty more hardware to spend money on than the main internals, and most of that other hardware is a better investment. But that other stuff doesn't enlarge epeen...

This statement I completely agree with. I've seen plenty of people who spent a lot of money on internals only to sit there staring at a cheap 60hz monitor, crappy Logitech headphones and a keyboard from some 2003 dell box...

 

[HurleyBird]

You spend a $1200 (not $1000) for a few months lead with a Titan, before the x80 Ti drops for much cheaper.

If Nvidia can maintain or grow their performance lead versus AMD, I'd expect the difference between future Titan and x80 Ti cards to grow in the same fashion as the gulf between x70 and x80 cards have.

 

[tential]

The same people that complain that Nvidia is milking the stupid Titan owners. The same people that is easily allured by Nvidia`s marketing like everyone else.

I dont personally know anyone that get new GPUs each year, but based on Nvidias sick revenue every year Id say there are more than we can imagine.
I think most people get a second 300 GPU and just go SLI if they need more performance. Or dish out for one of the big guns.

Yeah, if you have the choice between a Ti or a Titan you obviously get a Ti, not just only because its cheaper but also all the cooling choices from the AIBs, but the whole point of this discussion (mine atleast) was to get a Titan if it was the first card and forget about buying anything for 2-3 years.
Nobody knows if it takes 6 or 12+ months before a Ti card arrives anyway.

Most people can't factor in the time of owning the card. For me, even the TITAN card has value due to the time of ownership you have of unparalleled performance before everyone else.
I wouldn't even buy a Titan, but it's weird to me that people don't understand the value in the card.