Nvidia preparing GTX 950 SE card to replace GTX 750 Ti

[JDG1980]

http://www.techpowerup.com/220126/nvidia-readies-geforce-gtx-950-se-graphics-card.html

Not sure how reliable this is (the original Expreview article cited here indicates there may be some speculation at play), but it sounds like Nvidia may be replacing their GTX 750 Ti with a further cut-down GM206-based card.

If these reports are accurate, it indicates that we likely won't be seeing GP107 for at least six months. Otherwise, this card would serve absolutely no purpose, as GP107 will almost surely beat or at least match GM206. This reinforces my belief that we won't see any consumer-grade Pascal release until about October (though GP100 Tesla may trickle out sooner to top customers).

 

[Silverforce11]

You know Raja was pretty confident when he said AMD will beat the competition to finfet by many months.

This just happened too:

http://www.techpowerup.com/220128/tsmc-hit-harder-than-expected-by-recent-taiwan-earthquake.html



The subject is discussion between two NVidia cards.




esquared
Anandtech Forum Director

 

[Arachnotronic]

You know Raja was pretty confident when he said AMD will beat the competition to finfet by many months.

This just happened too:

http://www.techpowerup.com/220128/tsmc-hit-harder-than-expected-by-recent-taiwan-earthquake.html

What does this have to do with NVIDIA?

Per rules of this forum:

This is the NVidia subforum. Discussion of anything NVidia belongs here (drivers, software, cooling issues, overclocking). Discussion of like AMD products and issues belongs in the AMD subforum, not here.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2435770

Can we at least try to keep the discussion on the 950 SE?

 

[jpiniero]

I think it's totally relevant. They are probably releasing it to combat Polaris 10.



No its not relevant.

Nvidia forum is for NVidia talk only.


esquared
Anandtech Forum Director

 

[tviceman]

I think it's totally relevant. They are probably releasing it to combat Polaris 10.

Per the rules this subforum is Nvidia discussion only.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I think it's totally relevant. They are probably releasing it to combat Polaris 10.

It seems like they are making no changes to the actual GPU; it would appear to be a reference board design change to eliminate the need for a 6-pin power connector (thereby cutting board costs, and providing even better performance for those who have crap power supplies compared to the GTX 750 Ti).

 

[tviceman]

I think it's silly Nvidia never released a higher TDP desktop GM107. The chip's OC ability far outstripped its artificial bios TDP limit. Nvidia could release a 1250mhz, 6200mhz vram GM107 which would be more energy efficient (and cheaper) than a massively cut down GM206. But shrug, what do I know??

 

[jpiniero]

It seems like they are making no changes to the actual GPU; it would appear to be a reference board design change to eliminate the need for a 6-pin power connector (thereby cutting board costs, and providing even better performance for those who have crap power supplies compared to the GTX 750 Ti).

The article says they are removing another unit so the 950 SE would have only 640 cores. So it would be faster than the 750 Ti but probably not substantially.

 

[Blue_Max]

If they could make it run cool enough, we could finally have a low-profile card faster than the 750TI! [crosses fingers]

 

[Good_fella]

You know Raja was pretty confident when he said AMD will beat the competition to finfet by many months.

This just happened too:

http://www.techpowerup.com/220128/tsmc-hit-harder-than-expected-by-recent-taiwan-earthquake.html

That's why most hate AMD and their supporters. 117 dead but that's for holly mission - success for AMD.

Waiting damage control; it's was joke.




Joke? At the expense people dying?

Not funny.


esquared
Anandtech Forum Director

 

[rainy]

That's why most hate AMD and their supporters. 117 dead but that's for holly mission - success for AMD.

Waiting damage control; it's was joke.

I hope you'll get infraction/warning for such a disgusting trolling attempt.

 

[SPBHM]

I think it's silly Nvidia never released a higher TDP desktop GM107. The chip's OC ability far outstripped its artificial bios TDP limit. Nvidia could release a 1250mhz, 6200mhz vram GM107 which would be more energy efficient (and cheaper) than a massively cut down GM206. But shrug, what do I know??

GM206 has better DX12 support I think, also much better video and display support,

 

[96Firebird]

HEVC H.265 decoding without the need for a 6-pin? Might be the perfect card for my future 4K-ready HTPC.

 

[cbn]

OK, well I guess that takes care of my theory on GM107 (ie, GTX 750/GTX 750 Ti) rebranded as GT 940 (re: if cut down GM206 exists at this performance level there will probably be no point in rebranding GM107).

So what does Nvidia use for GT 940? GM108 with GDDR5? Or cut down GM206 with DDR3?

 

[Zodiark1593]

Would make a great htpc card.

Would love to see a Pascal based 960 TI though. I think if Nvidia could pull off such a card, it would keep the inevitable new-node premium from AMD in check.

 

[MrTeal]

Would make a great htpc card.

Would love to see a Pascal based 960 TI though. I think if Nvidia could pull off such a card, it would keep the inevitable new-node premium from AMD in check.

Definitely, though it will be interesting to see the pricepoint it comes in at. You can already pick up a 950 for $130, so you'd expect it under that. There's not a lot of room between that and the 750Ti at $100 though.

I'm not in any hurry to replace my HTPC card so I am tempted to just wait for Polaris 10 / GP107, but given I don't game on it I can't see them being a good value at launch even if they are considerably more efficient.

 

[Zodiark1593]

Definitely, though it will be interesting to see the pricepoint it comes in at. You can already pick up a 950 for $130, so you'd expect it under that. There's not a lot of room between that and the 750Ti at $100 though.

I'm not in any hurry to replace my HTPC card so I am tempted to just wait for Polaris 10 / GP107, but given I don't game on it I can't see them being a good value at launch even if they are considerably more efficient.

The lack of something like a GM208 chip with hevc definitely hurts a bit where non-gaming usages are concerned.

Hell, I think Nvidia missed out a bit by having the reference GTX 960 card be a full sized card instead of something like the Nano. While performance still wouldn't be stellar at it's current price, such a form factor would be very appealing for SFF and cramped gaming HTPC builds. Further, due to the relatively low heat output of the card, throttling would still be a non-concern.

 

[cbn]

Deleted.

(My mistake. 6 pin power is optional)

 

[cytg111]

Would make a great htpc card.

Would love to see a Pascal based 960 TI though. I think if Nvidia could pull off such a card, it would keep the inevitable new-node premium from AMD in check.

If only without the 6-pin it would be an awsome htpc card, hdmi2.0 /displayport 1.2 for 4k/60hz content.

 

[MrTeal]

According to this article it will need a 6 pin:

http://www.pcper.com/category/tags/gtx-950-se

Although these say it will be optional:

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-950-se-rumor/

https://www.techpowerup.com/220126/nvidia-readies-geforce-gtx-950-se-graphics-card.html

According to the TPU article you linked

With a typical board power expected to be around 70W, cards by various AIC partners will either make do with single 6-pin PCIe power inputs, or completely lack them.

Either way even with a 70W TDP a 6 pin wouldn't be the end of the world, since you could easily do that with a SATA to 6 pin adapter. The more important thing (IMO) is having a selection of half height cards.

 

[cbn]

According to the TPU article you linked

Either way even with a 70W TDP a 6 pin wouldn't be the end of the world, since you could easily do that with a SATA to 6 pin adapter.

Sorry for confusion.

The more important thing (IMO) is having a selection of half height cards.

Yes, that is important. 70W in low profile card will likely be dual slot and price premium.

 

[xorbe]

Either way even with a 70W TDP a 6 pin wouldn't be the end of the world, since you could easily do that with a SATA to 6 pin adapter. The more important thing (IMO) is having a selection of half height cards.

Smaller boxes sometimes actually can't fit the plug, and close the case.

 

[Good_fella]

That's why most hate AMD and their supporters. 117 dead but that's for holly mission - success for AMD.

Waiting damage control; it's was joke.




Joke? At the expense people dying?

Not funny.


esquared
Anandtech Forum Director

Why I got infraction? Bad reading?

1. Silverforce11

You know Raja was pretty confident when he said AMD will beat the competition to finfet by many months.

This just happened too:

http://www.techpowerup.com/220128/ts...arthquake.html

2. Good_fella

That's why most hate AMD and their supporters. 117 dead but that's for holly mission - success for AMD.

Spoiler

Waiting damage control; it's was joke.

Predicted replay.
3. Silverforce11

It was joke.

This is how it would be done.

 

[xthetenth]

Huh. Okay, that post was just incoherent and based on a bizarre chain of reasoning. He's saying that the destruction of something NV's counting on to make their stuff is likely to delay that stuff.

 

[Charlie98]

Yes, that is important. 70W in low profile card will likely be dual slot and price premium.

Sometimes building an HTPC in a standard tower works out... I got a 950 FTW for less than the shorty 950, but it does take an 8-pin power plug. But I'll be in trouble if I ever move to mITX...