NVIDIA preparing four Maxwell GM204 SKUs (VideocardZ via S/A)

[BFG10K]

Who cares what process it uses or whether its been used before?
Who cares if someone labels it "mid" or "high"?

All that matters is performance, price, and TDP.

If they can release three significant flagships on 28nm, good on them. That's actually an engineering marvel.

After seeing what the 750Ti can do in terms of FPS/watt, I want to see more of that in the high-end.

 

[Galatian]

I never said it was screwing me over. Read what I actually said. I didn't mention me, or you, or anyone else. I said it screws the market. It empowers the IHV's to overcharge for their mid level design. In the end what they charge is determined by what people are willing to pay. Just like now people being willing to overpay for the same recycled products from the previous gen is going to allow them to charge us flagship pricing for 2nd level products. Once again the GM104 chip is going to be marketed as the 880, when everyone knows it really should be the 860. Then they'll release what should be the 870 as the 980, 880 as 980 ti, and give us the same thing with 2X the VRAM for $1000. I just know that people not only will bend over and say, "Thank you sir may I have another", but others are going to cheer the IHV's on telling them how ZOMG awesome they are.

Sorry I didn't mean to come over rude. My point is: I don't get this labeling of a GPU being high or mid. I mean you are getting a new GPU which is faster then the top-modell of the previous gen. By definition this is a high-end card. It doesn't matter that they could release an even bigger die. It's a question about price. These huge dies cost a lot to manufacture, it makes sense for nvidia to release them later, once they produced enough for the high end Tesla cards.

 

[3DVagabond]

Sorry I didn't mean to come over rude. My point is: I don't get this labeling of a GPU being high or mid. I mean you are getting a new GPU which is faster then the top-modell of the previous gen. By definition this is a high-end card. It doesn't matter that they could release an even bigger die. It's a question about price. These huge dies cost a lot to manufacture, it makes sense for nvidia to release them later, once they produced enough for the high end Tesla cards.

Don't have to apologize. :thumbsup:

It's only worth what people are willing to pay for it. All I'm saying is people are too willing.

 

[blackened23]

Who cares what process it uses or whether its been used before?
Who cares if someone labels it "mid" or "high"?

All that matters is performance, price, and TDP.

If they can release three significant flagships on 28nm, good on them. That's actually an engineering marvel.

After seeing what the 750Ti can do in terms of FPS/watt, I want to see more of that in the high-end.

Indeed, who the hell cares. I just look at it like any other card, what performance can it deliver and at what price, and that's about it. Paper specifications don't mean much of anything since less hardware can do more with a better architecture, this has been proven again and again.

Besides which, it's pretty obvious that any high end Maxwell is waiting on TSMC's 20nm or 16nm which isn't ready yet. So they're releasing what they can on 28nm. Oh but, of course there's pre-emptive complaining despite 20/16nm not being ready. Excuse me while I roll my eyes. Yawn.

 

[3DVagabond]

Indeed, who the hell cares. I just look at it like any other card, what performance can it deliver and at what price, and that's about it. Paper specifications don't mean much of anything since less hardware can do more with a better architecture, this has been proven again and again.

Besides which, it's pretty obvious that any high end Maxwell is waiting on TSMC's 20nm or 16nm which isn't ready yet. So they're releasing what they can on 28nm. Oh but, of course there's pre-emptive complaining despite 20/16nm not being ready. Excuse me while I roll my eyes. Yawn.

In your rush to defend you have completely missed where I was laying the blame.

 

[Galatian]

Don't have to apologize. :thumbsup:

It's only worth what people are willing to pay for it. All I'm saying is people are too willing.

Now that I agree upon! Prices have skyrocket imho on the nvidia side.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Ripping off a subscriber-only story from S|A and reposting the contents? Stay classy, videocardz.

This was extremely poor form on VideoCardz's part.

 

[tviceman]

GM204 isn't for people already on top cards now. It's for those on lower tiers who did not find it fitting to upgrade to a 780/ti or R290/X.

Depends on how fast it ends up. 15-30% improvement over 780 TI, and you're right. But anything noticeably past 30%, then it becomes hard for high-end enthusiasts to resist. They want the best of the best. Especially if it's, say, 35% faster than 780 TI. That would >45% faster than a r290x. If it's not priced in the stratosphere, that's hard for many people to resist.

 

[96Firebird]

Once again the GM104 chip is going to be marketed as the 880, when everyone knows it really should be the 860.

Why?

 

[Techhog]

Can stuff from (B)S/A just be banned here? I see no reason to pay attention to anything he says.

This was extremely poor form on VideoCardz's part.

S/A subscriptions are the definition of poor form.

 

[PPB]

Can stuff from (B)S/A just be banned here? I see no reason to pay attention to anything he says.

Specially when he is right most of the time. Yeah, right.


Dismiss his rantings and just look at the actual information being presented and you are golden.

 

[3DVagabond]

Why?

Because the G*100 is the top chip.

 

[96Firebird]

Because the G*100 is the top chip.

If it's not out, it's not the top chip.

Pascal is actually the top chip. Wait for that.

 

[3DVagabond]

If it's not out, it's not the top chip.

Pascal is actually the top chip. Wait for that.

If that's what you think, you go with that.

 

[Techhog]

Specially when he is right most of the time. Yeah, right.


Dismiss his rantings and just look at the actual information being presented and you are golden.

That's kinda hard to do when you need to pay him ludicrous amounts of cash to see that information.

 

[Mand]

Specially when he is right most of the time. Yeah, right.


Dismiss his rantings and just look at the actual information being presented and you are golden.

I have actual information too! Just pay me some money, too, and you can see it! I swear! It's totally legit guise!

Seriously, is there any reason whatsoever to believe this? I see none. At this point I'm not sure if SA stands for semiaccurate or somethingawful.

 

[Arachnotronic]

That's kinda hard to do when you need to pay him ludicrous amounts of cash to see that information.

Do you not believe that he should be compensated for his work?

 

[Techhog]

Do you not believe that he should be compensated for his work?

What are ads for? Why does he charge so much?

 

[NTMBK]

What are ads for? Why does he charge so much?

He doesn't have any ads. And a "Student" membership is $100 a year, cheaper than many magazine subscriptions.

Given that so many people have been complaining about the "AMD Center" advertising on Anandtech, it's odd to see people objecting to a site that does not raise its money through ads.

 

[Arachnotronic]

What are ads for? Why does he charge so much?

Because he needs to eat, just like the rest of us.

 

[KompuKare]

He doesn't have any ads.

And therein lies the problem for any site which has some inside info but is not willing to totally follow the rules which corporate PR departments demand in terms of not calling a spade a spade etc.

Now, Charlie sure likes to rant and rant. And he certainly has little good to say about Nvidia (although I wonder who was first there: that is did Nvidia PR only put him in their bad books after he exposed the solder cover-ups or beforehand?), but the wider point stands: a lot of tech sites and wider journalism are totally happy to mostly just be spoon-fed by corporate PR departments these days or at the least never upset those PR departments.

Yes, critical thinking/writing can mean less advertising revenue but some sites (not S/A obviously) are big enough to not be so enamoured by company's PR department and they do their readers a disservice by not asking tougher questions.

Yes-men are not good for anyone not even the companies in the end (would Intel be spending so much on dumping now if Atom had not been held back to not interfere with Core margins since it launched?). No like an emperor surrounded only by yes-men, these things are generally universally harmful. And yes, compared to journalistic lackeying in other areas the shortcomings of the tech press is hardly that important. (I know heretical here but tech sites are mostly first world problems.)

 

[BrightCandle]

I don't have a problem with charging for his content. Its accuracy however I often find is questionable to say the least.

 

[Mand]

I don't have a problem with charging for his content. Its accuracy however I often find is questionable to say the least.

You might say it's...





semi

 

[witeken]

He doesn't have any ads. And a "Student" membership is $100 a year, cheaper than many magazine subscriptions.

Given that so many people have been complaining about the "AMD Center" advertising on Anandtech, it's odd to see people objecting to a site that does not raise its money through ads.

And what do I get for those $100 while AnandTech, ExtremeTech, VR-Zone, X-Bit Labs, Real World Tech,... and all forums are free?

 

[Techhog]

And what do I get for those $100 while AnandTech, ExtremeTech, VR-Zone, X-Bit Labs, Real World Tech,... and all forums are free?

Bingo. This is the issue. There's nothing that makes his content worth paying for. He's just an arrogant prick.

At any rate, his bias against Nvidia calls anything he says about them into question. I want to see another site confirm this through their own sources.