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[error8]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
I think the Driverheaven poll is the most accurate as it pertains directly with PhysX. It matches what a lot of other websites and forums have been saying about it.

What other sites and forums are you talking about?

 

[SirPauly]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: SirPauly
What I don't understand is what not to like about PhysX?

It adds value to the GeForce Platform.

It's a feature that may improve immersion for gaming titles by offering more eye-candy, atmosphere and hopefully gaming changing content.

It's a feature that is flexible and not forced to use a high-end GPU to take advantage of it. You can disable the feature.

It has huge up-side.

The only down-side is it's not ported to OpenCL or if you're an ATI user or CPU company and can't offer viable competition to it at this time.

The "only" downside is it fragments the market. That's a pretty huge downside. We can thank Microsoft for bringing people together with DirectX (yes, there's also OpenGL, but really it plays second fiddle at the moment).
What will be good for hardware physics, especially with Intel entering the graphics game, is standardisation, which hopefully will be here soon.
I don't give a damn about PhysX if it locks me to one hardware vendor when the market will soon be opening up to three. I would rather ignore it entirely as a feature until we get some level of standards which all 3 major players support, until then, it's 100% worthless to me and has zero effect on purchasing decisions.
If PhysX becomes available to all through OpenCL that would be great, same with Havok (I don't want to see Havok be ATI/Intel only). I want hardware physics everyone can enjoy, and until we get there, it's got a huge downside.

That's fine and your view. Mine is a marginal view and will look forward to current to future PhysX titles; to see how much they actually raise the bar. Personally believe the gaming market needs more dynamic aspects and PhysX is only a vehicle to make it happen -- not the end-all-be-all vehicle for all time. It has to start to roll forward and it is.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr
You look at it as an unfortunate thing only being able to run PhysX on Nvidia cards. The easy solution of course is to buy and Nvidia card. (I know, you just got a wicked bad taste in your mouth ) Well, no, actually the easiest would be for ATI to support this technology. But they did not and your out of luck. Up to current gen stuff anyway.

Oh and about AA. Ask pantalaimon what he thinks about not being able to use AA in the control panel.. I don't think he'd mind. He would just turn it off if he has no yearning for it and be happy as a clam.

I don't have anything against nVidia, I'm against biased people who blurry the truth and blindly recommends a product over another, lying, baiting, arguing, with no arguments, or can't even reply with a link to prove wrong somebody. If PhysX becomes widely accepted, I won't mind to buy an nVidia card, as a PhysX card in Windows 7, I just prefer ATi card for games because of their DX10.1 feature set, AVIVO feature set ( I hook my card to a 42" LCD TV, so audio through HDMI is a plus), best Anti Aliasing quality, monthly driver updates, competitive prices and great support, ATi cards tends to age better than their nVidia counterparts.

I would ask pantalaimon if he ever bothered to turn on or off the physX in Cryostasis and see if he ever noticed a difference besides of some badly simulated ice crystals falling, he would just turn it off if he has no yearning for it and be happy as a clam.

Originally posted by: SirPauly
Was curious why GTX-295's were not in stock:

Because nVidia just did that card to reclaim the crown, nothing else, it's a phantom card like the 6800 Ultra Extreme card, which only 100 were made.

Originally posted by: Creig
The AT poll was much more specific regarding whether a person would factor PhysX into their actual purchasing decisions. The Driverheaven poll was asking you to vote whether or not PhysX was the "best thing since sliced polygons".

Well, that's very cute and all. But would those people who voted for it actually weigh PhysX as a purchasing factor? I guess we'll never know.

I second that, Anandtech poll is much more focused.

Originally posted by: SirPauly

Actually there is a way to know; it is called market share, hehe!

Yeah, market share which more than half of it belongs to the lousy 8600 series which barely plays DX10 games in low quality, I could imagine how can it play PhysX games, and the other 25% belongs to the old 7600/7300 series lolll

 

[SirPauly]

Originally posted by: Creig: Well, that's very cute and all. But would those people who voted for it actually weigh PhysX as a purchasing factor? I guess we'll never know.

Actually there is a way to know; it is called market share, hehe!

 

[Acanthus]

Good, their inventories are down.

Maybe they can stop releasing the same fucking card for midrange now.

It's only been 3 generations. :thumbsdown:

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Yeah, market share which more than half of it belongs to the lousy 8600 series which barely plays DX10 games in low quality, I could imagine how can it play PhysX games, and the other 25% belongs to the old 7600/7300 series lolll

The marketshare for NVIDIA last quarter was 67% this has nothing to do with the 8600/7xxx series, stop trolling.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Originally posted by: Keysplayr
You look at it as an unfortunate thing only being able to run PhysX on Nvidia cards. The easy solution of course is to buy and Nvidia card. (I know, you just got a wicked bad taste in your mouth ) Well, no, actually the easiest would be for ATI to support this technology. But they did not and your out of luck. Up to current gen stuff anyway.

Oh and about AA. Ask pantalaimon what he thinks about not being able to use AA in the control panel.. I don't think he'd mind. He would just turn it off if he has no yearning for it and be happy as a clam.

I don't have anything against nVidia, I'm against biased people who blurry the truth and blindly recommends a product over another, lying, baiting, arguing, with no arguments, or can't even reply with a link to prove wrong somebody. If PhysX becomes widely accepted, I won't mind to buy an nVidia card, as a PhysX card in Windows 7, I just prefer ATi card for games because of their DX10.1 feature set, AVIVO feature set ( I hook my card to a 42" LCD TV, so audio through HDMI is a plus), best Anti Aliasing quality, monthly driver updates, competitive prices and great support, ATi cards tends to age better than their nVidia counterparts.

I would ask pantalaimon if he ever bothered to turn on or off the physX in Cryostasis and see if he ever noticed a difference besides of some badly simulated ice crystals falling, he would just turn it off if he has no yearning for it and be happy as a clam.

You could ask him that, if you ask him my questions first.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Yeah, market share which more than half of it belongs to the lousy 8600 series which barely plays DX10 games in low quality, I could imagine how can it play PhysX games, and the other 25% belongs to the old 7600/7300 series lolll

The marketshare for NVIDIA last quarter was 67% this has nothing to do with the 8600/7xxx series, stop trolling.

So he includes 7xxx and 8600's, but leaves out 9xxx series. Ok then.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: SirPauly
Here is another poll with over 10,000 voters:

http://www.driverheaven.net/polls/poll-1198-a.html

Downplay this one.

This poll was started in Aug 2008...WAY before even Mirror's Edge (poster child for PhysX) came out. What in the world were those 10,000+ people excited about? The tech demos? You'd probably get the same reaction if you polled people on the new Havok demos.
Poll those same 10000 people now. I bet you get a more disappointed reaction.

Even I was excited about PhysX when I first saw it in action in some of the tech demos but it has not had much market penetration and so was not factored into my buying decision when I bought the 4870 at the beginning of 09 (ability to fit my old waterblock on the card was the main driving factor for me).

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Yeah, market share which more than half of it belongs to the lousy 8600 series which barely plays DX10 games in low quality, I could imagine how can it play PhysX games, and the other 25% belongs to the old 7600/7300 series lolll

The marketshare for NVIDIA last quarter was 67% this has nothing to do with the 8600/7xxx series, stop trolling.

So he includes 7xxx and 8600's, but leaves out 9xxx series. Ok then.

Let me fix it for you, 50% market share for 8600 series, 25% market share for 7600/7300 series, 20% market share for 8800/9800 series and the rest 5% market share which belongs to the GTX series.

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Good, their inventories are down.

Maybe they can stop releasing the same fucking card for midrange now.

It's only been 3 generations. :thumbsdown:

Amen for that, without ATi, we would see another G92 generation called GeForce X850 GTS LOLL

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
Keys, you say you suggested Nvidia cards because your friend wants to play Cryostasis... what does Physx add to this title? Honest question. I think suggesting an Nvidia card just because a game can use Physx is no reason to suggest Nvidia only unless it adds something to the game. What does Physx add to Cryostasis? Is it just some effects, or is this a game that game play is significantly changed if you have Physx?

Cryostasis, or ANY PhysX title, SlowSpyder.
I'm sorry, but glancing at your sig, you'd have to watch a "video" of the demo in order to see what it has. Honest. What's not to like about a more immersive experience? Check out the video when you get a chance. if you already have, and you can't see for yourself what it is, then I don't know what to tell you.

I've played one game with Physx thus far, and was not impressed. That game was UT3. There is a difference between adding a higher level of immersiveness to game play and what I experienced in that game. I was hoping you'd be able to tell me something really worthwhile that Physx adds to Cryostasis, but I have a feeling it's more UT3 like than not. I haven't played that game (Cryostasis) at all, so I don't know and thought I would ask.

And I've told you how you can observe it. Google for the video demo and watch it.

Ok, I watched the tech demo. I see now why you didn't give me a straight answer and say it does x,y,z for the game. Physx is the only hardware accelerated physics available, and how do they use all this new power that could completely change the way gamers interact with environments changing game play forever? There is some fabric type material that flaps in front of a fan. We have water that trickles down some stairs. And what appears to be the crowning Physx moment in Cryostasis from the video I saw, you can push barrels into water below and they'll bob with the waves.

If you want to know why Physx is tredding water just watch the Cryostasis tech demo video. Physx could still take off, it needs a killer app... a very good game that you can play differently, play in more exciting ways with options that aren't available if you don't have Physx. Instead so far what I've seen is extra debri and particles, fabric waving in the wind, etc.

Sorry man, but to me it sounds like you sold your friend on a Nvidia part not because of Physx.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
Keys, you say you suggested Nvidia cards because your friend wants to play Cryostasis... what does Physx add to this title? Honest question. I think suggesting an Nvidia card just because a game can use Physx is no reason to suggest Nvidia only unless it adds something to the game. What does Physx add to Cryostasis? Is it just some effects, or is this a game that game play is significantly changed if you have Physx?

Cryostasis, or ANY PhysX title, SlowSpyder.
I'm sorry, but glancing at your sig, you'd have to watch a "video" of the demo in order to see what it has. Honest. What's not to like about a more immersive experience? Check out the video when you get a chance. if you already have, and you can't see for yourself what it is, then I don't know what to tell you.

I've played one game with Physx thus far, and was not impressed. That game was UT3. There is a difference between adding a higher level of immersiveness to game play and what I experienced in that game. I was hoping you'd be able to tell me something really worthwhile that Physx adds to Cryostasis, but I have a feeling it's more UT3 like than not. I haven't played that game (Cryostasis) at all, so I don't know and thought I would ask.

And I've told you how you can observe it. Google for the video demo and watch it.

Ok, I watched the tech demo. I see now why you didn't give me a straight answer and say it does x,y,z for the game. Physx is the only hardware accelerated physics available, and how do they use all this new power that could completely change the way gamers interact with environments changing game play forever? There is some fabric type material that flaps in front of a fan. We have water that trickles down some stairs. And what appears to be the crowning Physx moment in Cryostasis from the video I saw, you can push barrels into water below and they'll bob with the waves.

If you want to know why Physx is tredding water just watch the Cryostasis tech demo video. Physx could still take off, it needs a killer app... a very good game that you can play differently, play in more exciting ways with options that aren't available if you don't have Physx. Instead so far what I've seen is extra debri and particles, fabric waving in the wind, etc.

Sorry man, but to me it sounds like you sold your friend on a Nvidia part not because of Physx.

Yeah, pretty much how I though you'd respond with any x,y,z comment I gave you. So I figured, why waste my breath. Easier for you to see it and tear it apart on your own power.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: SirPauly

Originally posted by: Creig: Well, that's very cute and all. But would those people who voted for it actually weigh PhysX as a purchasing factor? I guess we'll never know.

Actually there is a way to know; it is called market share, hehe!

No, actually, it isn't.

People who purchase Nvidia cards could be doing so for the games bundle, its performance in certain games, because of the warranty offered, because of the price, etc. The same reasons people might instead choose to purchase an ATI card. Yes, PhysX could be one of the factors in choosing an Nvidia card over an ATI card, but it's by no means the only factor. And PhysX support currently appears to mean very little to the majority of gamers, according to AT's very recent poll.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Creig


People who purchase Nvidia cards could be doing so for the games bundle, its performance in certain games, because of the warranty offered, because of the price, etc.

True there are dozens of reasons to buy a NVIDIA card over ATI. But when you look at that Driverheaven poll it's clear that PhysX's popularity is very very strong.

 

[SirPauly]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: SirPauly

Originally posted by: Creig: Well, that's very cute and all. But would those people who voted for it actually weigh PhysX as a purchasing factor? I guess we'll never know.

Actually there is a way to know; it is called market share, hehe!

No, actually, it isn't.

People who purchase Nvidia cards could be doing so for the games bundle, its performance in certain games, because of the warranty offered, because of the price, etc. The same reasons people might instead choose to purchase an ATI card. Yes, PhysX could be one of the factors in choosing an Nvidia card over an ATI card, but it's by no means the only factor. And PhysX support currently appears to mean very little to the majority of gamers, according to AT's very recent poll.

I think that PhysX may be one of the reasons from very important to marginal!

 

[SirPauly]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
Keys, you say you suggested Nvidia cards because your friend wants to play Cryostasis... what does Physx add to this title? Honest question. I think suggesting an Nvidia card just because a game can use Physx is no reason to suggest Nvidia only unless it adds something to the game. What does Physx add to Cryostasis? Is it just some effects, or is this a game that game play is significantly changed if you have Physx?

Cryostasis, or ANY PhysX title, SlowSpyder.
I'm sorry, but glancing at your sig, you'd have to watch a "video" of the demo in order to see what it has. Honest. What's not to like about a more immersive experience? Check out the video when you get a chance. if you already have, and you can't see for yourself what it is, then I don't know what to tell you.

I've played one game with Physx thus far, and was not impressed. That game was UT3. There is a difference between adding a higher level of immersiveness to game play and what I experienced in that game. I was hoping you'd be able to tell me something really worthwhile that Physx adds to Cryostasis, but I have a feeling it's more UT3 like than not. I haven't played that game (Cryostasis) at all, so I don't know and thought I would ask.

And I've told you how you can observe it. Google for the video demo and watch it.

Ok, I watched the tech demo. I see now why you didn't give me a straight answer and say it does x,y,z for the game. Physx is the only hardware accelerated physics available, and how do they use all this new power that could completely change the way gamers interact with environments changing game play forever? There is some fabric type material that flaps in front of a fan. We have water that trickles down some stairs. And what appears to be the crowning Physx moment in Cryostasis from the video I saw, you can push barrels into water below and they'll bob with the waves.

If you want to know why Physx is tredding water just watch the Cryostasis tech demo video. Physx could still take off, it needs a killer app... a very good game that you can play differently, play in more exciting ways with options that aren't available if you don't have Physx. Instead so far what I've seen is extra debri and particles, fabric waving in the wind, etc.

Sorry man, but to me it sounds like you sold your friend on a Nvidia part not because of Physx.

There is an actual demo you could download and play and the findings for me was this:

1) The effect of the frost on the walls melting and turning to water was interesting.

2) The water effects or fluids really did bring a lot to the atmosphere of the demo

3) The particle effects were impressive -- specifically how the particles would bounce off the environments

It this the end-all-be-all, must-have, and no doubt examples to convince every end-user or potential gamer? No, but neat to see how PhysX may enhance the atmosphere of a gaming title and something to look forward to with more content as things mature.

 

[Hauk]

I had a feeling this post would generate intense discussion...

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: SirPauly

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
Keys, you say you suggested Nvidia cards because your friend wants to play Cryostasis... what does Physx add to this title? Honest question. I think suggesting an Nvidia card just because a game can use Physx is no reason to suggest Nvidia only unless it adds something to the game. What does Physx add to Cryostasis? Is it just some effects, or is this a game that game play is significantly changed if you have Physx?

Cryostasis, or ANY PhysX title, SlowSpyder.
I'm sorry, but glancing at your sig, you'd have to watch a "video" of the demo in order to see what it has. Honest. What's not to like about a more immersive experience? Check out the video when you get a chance. if you already have, and you can't see for yourself what it is, then I don't know what to tell you.

I've played one game with Physx thus far, and was not impressed. That game was UT3. There is a difference between adding a higher level of immersiveness to game play and what I experienced in that game. I was hoping you'd be able to tell me something really worthwhile that Physx adds to Cryostasis, but I have a feeling it's more UT3 like than not. I haven't played that game (Cryostasis) at all, so I don't know and thought I would ask.

And I've told you how you can observe it. Google for the video demo and watch it.

Ok, I watched the tech demo. I see now why you didn't give me a straight answer and say it does x,y,z for the game. Physx is the only hardware accelerated physics available, and how do they use all this new power that could completely change the way gamers interact with environments changing game play forever? There is some fabric type material that flaps in front of a fan. We have water that trickles down some stairs. And what appears to be the crowning Physx moment in Cryostasis from the video I saw, you can push barrels into water below and they'll bob with the waves.

If you want to know why Physx is tredding water just watch the Cryostasis tech demo video. Physx could still take off, it needs a killer app... a very good game that you can play differently, play in more exciting ways with options that aren't available if you don't have Physx. Instead so far what I've seen is extra debri and particles, fabric waving in the wind, etc.

Sorry man, but to me it sounds like you sold your friend on a Nvidia part not because of Physx.

There is an actual demo you could download and play and the findings for me was this:

1) The effect of the frost on the walls melting and turning to water was interesting.

2) The water effects or fluids really did bring a lot to the atmosphere of the demo

3) The particle effects were impressive -- specifically how the particles would bounce off the environments

It this the end-all-be-all, must-have, and no doubt examples to convince every end-user or potential gamer? No, but neat to see how PhysX may enhance the atmosphere of a gaming title and something to look forward to with more content as things mature.

I don't know, maybe I'm expecting too much. With the things that hardware accelerated physics could do I would think that games could be built with that in mind. So far it's little more than window dressing though. I know it's still early, but I guess this goes back to the 'does it add value' and 'does it affect your purchasing decision' questions. For me, it's not worth considering yet from what I've seen. I guess as I mentioned above, I'm still waiting to see that killer app that uses it.

 

[SirPauly]

It's a fair view and very understandable and up to nVidia to showcase more of PhysX's abilities in applications.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Creig


People who purchase Nvidia cards could be doing so for the games bundle, its performance in certain games, because of the warranty offered, because of the price, etc.

True there are dozens of reasons to buy a NVIDIA card over ATI. But when you look at that Driverheaven poll it's clear that PhysX's popularity is very very strong.

No, Wreckage. PhysX's popularity was very, very strong. Back in August of 2008. The much more recent poll here at AnandTech shows that, as of one week ago, PhysX's overall popularity has dropped considerably in the past nine months. Apparently, most people just aren't impressed by PhysX anymore.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Creig


People who purchase Nvidia cards could be doing so for the games bundle, its performance in certain games, because of the warranty offered, because of the price, etc.

True there are dozens of reasons to buy a NVIDIA card over ATI. But when you look at that Driverheaven poll it's clear that PhysX's popularity is very very strong.

No, Wreckage. PhysX's popularity was very, very strong. Back in August of 2008. The much more recent poll here at AnandTech shows that, as of one week ago, PhysX's overall popularity has dropped considerably in the past nine months. Apparently, most people just aren't impressed by PhysX anymore.

Why does the success of PhysX upset you so much?

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Creig


People who purchase Nvidia cards could be doing so for the games bundle, its performance in certain games, because of the warranty offered, because of the price, etc.

True there are dozens of reasons to buy a NVIDIA card over ATI. But when you look at that Driverheaven poll it's clear that PhysX's popularity is very very strong.

No, Wreckage. PhysX's popularity was very, very strong. Back in August of 2008. The much more recent poll here at AnandTech shows that, as of one week ago, PhysX's overall popularity has dropped considerably in the past nine months. Apparently, most people just aren't impressed by PhysX anymore.

Why does the success of PhysX upset you so much?

What success?

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Why does the success of PhysX upset you so much?

Why the failure of the PhysX upsets you so much?

Why the HD 4800 series success upsets you so much?

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Why does the success of PhysX upset you so much?

Why the failure of the PhysX upsets you so much?

Why the HD 4800 series success upsets you so much?

67% of the graphics cards sold last quarter support PhysX. This is a fact.

This is both a success for PhysX and a failure for the 4800 series.

I honestly think you are in some sort of denial over this.

Either way since I have PhysX and I can run it just fine, I'm very happy.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Why does the success of PhysX upset you so much?

Why the failure of the PhysX upsets you so much?

Why the HD 4800 series success upsets you so much?

67% of the graphics cards sold last quarter support PhysX. This is a fact.

This is both a success for PhysX and a failure for the 4800 series.

I honestly think you are in some sort of denial over this.

Either way since I have PhysX and I can run it just fine, I'm very happy.

Yeah, you make it sound like if all the cards under that 67% market share could run PhysX loll, they could barely run DX10 fine, specially that 40% or more of that market share are 8600 series or lower end cards loll, and less than 5% are the GTX series and the rest 8800/9800/GTS series, ATi HD 4x00 series outsold the whole GTX series 2:1 loll, PhysX is such a great success that for two and a half years of being in the market, there's pretty much less than 4 GPU accelerated games, while the other games that supports PhysX are doing fine without nVidia cards. Actually there's more DX10.1 games than GPU accelerated PhysX games lol