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Nvidia posts loss this past financial quarter
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MrK6
Diamond Member
Evidently you don't, which makes that comment even more hilarious; you should probably learn what things are before discussing them. I haven't kept up to date with all that goes on in these boards, but a quick glance shows you as a standard "green with envy" NVIDIA die-hard, but hopefully I'm not wasting my time or my words. Currently, AMD has a superior marketing plan, they honestly hit a home run in 2008 with their 4000 series roadmap. NVIDIA is going to be scrambling for the next few months until at least they can build steam with their GT300 series/card/whatever launch. Until then, they will be hemorrhaging money, due to their expensive chip and board design, while trying to keep up with AMD's prices.
Wreckage
Banned
They did? How come they lost marketshare? How come their revenue is down while NVIDIA's is up? How come most sites favor the GT200 series over the 4000 series? How come their parent company lost $460 million last quarter and has had to right off upwards of $4 billion in impairment charges?
The 4000 series hype never extended much beyond this forum and clearly never made it to the outside world which bought NVIDIA cards at a rate of nearly 70%.
taltamir
Lifer
nvidia and ATI have been price cutting each other too much... BOTH companies are now loosing money. ATI should have let nvidia keep the GT200 @ 600$ and priced their cards similarly, it would have benefited them both, nvidia spent years slowly creeping up the cost of high end video cards.
Pantalaimon
Senior member
This thread is about NVIDIA's performance as a company is it not? Its CEO was arrogant enough to talk smack about one of its competitors in public. It's been over a year now when he claimed his company would hurt Intel. I'm curious to know when exactly does he plan for NVIDIA to put this hurt to Intel that he claimed it could.
MrK6
Diamond Member
You're spouting multiple marketing trivia bits in some attempt to prove a point about video card design, but it's just coming out as drivel. Focus your points and we can have a discussion.
Now my original comment was pointed at their roadmap design. AMD created a scalable GPU that, thanks to the 55nm process, was easy to produce plenty of. While NVIDIA was only scoring something like 95 chips per 300mm wafer, AMD could get ~3x that. They also designed a cheaper PCB and memory system that made up the bandwidth difference with GDDR5, which, when used in mass, drives its price down to make the cards even cheaper (hell, it's now available on the $100 4770). AMD really caught NVIDIA with its pants down and delivered an excellent price/performance card. June through August the 4870 was the card to get until some moved on the 4870X2. And I have no idea where you stay, but every forum I've been to lit up during that time and purchases of the 4800 series were insane. Even now, 6 out of my 7 gamer friends have a 4870 or 4850 they got last summer (me not included).
The fact that their finally turning a profit despite how intel is completely dominating them in the CPU department attests to the strengths of their graphics card division.
jandlecack
Senior member
I don't get what you are arguing about. A card is only as good as it performs in real-world benches (games). It can be 95nm, 45nm or 32nm, have GDDR10 and still if it's not as fast as the competing models, all that doesn't matter.
ATI 4800 Series = Cheaper, top-end not as powerful as competing top-end
NV GTX2 Series = More expensive, top-end more powerful than competing top-end
What's there not to understand if you have the least bit of logical comprehension? You can debate about price/performance all day long, the conclusion will always be that NV has brought out a more powerful series than ATi, the factors in between are neither here nor there. More performance costs more money. If ATi had something that could compete with the GTX285 seriously, or even the GTX295, they would release it. Whether they don't because they assume it wouldn't sell well enough to warrant it (which is true looking at NV's revenue), or whether they simply can't, doesn't even matter. But enjoy your fanboy bullcrap if you wish.
ATI 4800 Series = Cheaper, top-end not as powerful as competing top-end
NV GTX2 Series = More expensive, top-end more powerful than competing top-end
What's there not to understand if you have the least bit of logical comprehension? You can debate about price/performance all day long, the conclusion will always be that NV has brought out a more powerful series than ATi, the factors in between are neither here nor there. More performance costs more money. If ATi had something that could compete with the GTX285 seriously, or even the GTX295, they would release it. Whether they don't because they assume it wouldn't sell well enough to warrant it (which is true looking at NV's revenue), or whether they simply can't, doesn't even matter. But enjoy your fanboy bullcrap if you wish.
If they lasted this long in the current economic climate w/o taking a loss, then good on them.
That said, the ATi division at AMD is still posting a nice profit AFAIK.
NV's strategy is supposed to boost demand for lower end GPUs, but the problem is that they don't really have any good ones ATM. AMD is pwning them at the $100 and $200 price points which are both clutch.
That said, the ATi division at AMD is still posting a nice profit AFAIK.
NV's strategy is supposed to boost demand for lower end GPUs, but the problem is that they don't really have any good ones ATM. AMD is pwning them at the $100 and $200 price points which are both clutch.
You obviously have no idea how a company with no competition acts. They arent a charity, they are a business, with stock holders.
That is why competition is good. But you cant get mad for a company letting the market set the price.
If ATi had the same lead on nV as they had for the 3XXX/8800GTS era, they would have made you pay for it 😉
Actually I'm pretty sure that AMD/NV were convicted of price fixing. That probably explains the $600 video cards. Here in Canada ATi was also in court over accounting irregularities; I'm not sure if they won or lost, but it looked really bad for them at one point before the AMD merger.
akugami
Diamond Member
It's more opinion based and analysis than any real point. MrK6's point is you always spout random facts to obfuscate the fact that you merely spout random bits and pieces that is aimed to crap on ATI and put nVidia up on a pedestal. There have been numerous times when you've spouted something that is pro-nVidia and anti-ATI and when someone confronts you on it, you decline to argue your case. There is also at least one case where you post false information to bolster your point as well as use a double standard in judging ATI and nVidia.
As I said in another thread, NV will be fine here. Their losses stem from the economy. Their products are excellent and are unmatched at the high end. IMO their midrange and low end cards have been terrible this round. Hopefully they will learn from this. It wasn't that long ago that they made the 8800GT.
The sad part is. This is by in large is what has essentially killed PC gaming. The GPU makers priced the vast majority of consumers out of the market. They went over to the consoles and pretty much all of the major PC game devs have followed them.
Now that they are starting to return to a more reasonable pricing model it may be too late. Looking at the slate of upcoming PC games is depressing.
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