Nvidia plans to make Pune its headquarters

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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...Pune-its-headquarters/articleshow/5280453.cms

PUNE: US based graphics chip manufacturer Nvidia is planning to make Pune its headquarters over the next five years as it aims to have majority of
its headcount based in Pune. It is also planning to make India the hub of all its activities.

The company recently launched its Tegra
, developed mostly in India. The processor is claimed to be the smallest and lowest powered computer-on-a-chip, for advanced devices like smartphones, portable media players, mobile Internet devices and notebooks. With more than 500 mn mobile subscribers, Nvidia expects a heavy adoption of the Tegra in the Indian market, with the launch of 3G.

“India is a key market for us and especially for the new product Tegra, especially when 3G is launched. Telecom companies can improve their revenues by driving higher amounts of rich multimedia content through their networks when 3G is launched. We are in talks with every telecom company in India to drive Tegra enabled products in the Indian market,” Jen-Hsun Huang, CEO, president and co-founder, Nvidia, said, on a recent trip to Pune.

The company expects the Tegra processor to account for close to 50% of its overall global revenues in the next couple of years.

The company said the chip holds huge potential in delivering education to remote corners of electricity-starved areas. It is also exploring possibilities of utilising Tegra-enabled notebooks to help in education, in association with the Sarva Shiksha Abhiyan and the Secondary School Education Mission.

The company is also stepping up headcount at the Pune facility, from the current 1,000 employees. “Five years ago we were zero in India, today we have 20% employees in India with critical development work happening from the Pune office. Five years from now, we may have 80% of our global workforce in Pune,” Mr Huang said. “Even I could be based in Pune then,” he added.
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Anyone else see a link between this and the decrease in quality of Nvidia products along with the failure to get new products to market?
 
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Lonyo

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Uh, why would it make a difference?
Either they use Indian engineers in India, or Indian engineers in the US, either way it's the same guys.

Also I don't see what the engineers specifically have to do with the problems when they are due to design philosophy and lack of foresight, and recurring problems (this isn't the first time the transition to a new process has gone badly for NV...)
You think JHH lets "the Indians" do all the decision making?

Plus lets not mention where manufacturing/etc takes place.
Or the fact that everyone has problems (like the US made Toyotas...)

Racist trollbait is rather boring and stupid.
 

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Anyone else see a link between this and the decrease in quality of Nvidia products along with the failure to get new products to market?
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What exactly is this "this"?

Having plans for restructuring etc etc is pretty normal. When exactly do you mean the "decrease in quality of nvidia products" started and how do you relate such a thought to this article which you link to?

People are reading too much into the delayed new product coming from Nvidia.
 

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Anyone else see a link between this and the decrease in quality of Nvidia products along with the failure to get new products to market?

What, so after Nvidia's recent problems they have decided they are going to move HQ to an expanded facility in India? And the link you made was...?
 

Leyawiin

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Guess its cheaper to move there and pay locals much less than have Indians come to San Jose on H1-B visas. Typical "globalization" move. The Silicon Valley is quickly becoming irrelevant.
 

bryanW1995

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definitely a smart cost-saving move for them long term. Pune has about 5 million people and is conveniently located near other major indian population centers as well. Also, India has done a very good job of investing in education, moves like this will only reinforce that trend. English speaking + good educational system + cheap labor = win.

(ignoring troll at end of OP's post)
 

alyarb

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is anyone else seeing these bugass links? i saw a couple the other day and thought it was just the OP not knowing how to paste
 

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Uh, why would it make a difference?
Either they use Indian engineers in India, or Indian engineers in the US, either way it's the same guys.

Its cheaper to pay workforce in India, Even if its highly skilled work force.

Even if the pay in India is considered high among Indians, its comparatively much much lower than what westerners consider high. Its a win win situation for Nvidia.

That being said, there is no direct relationship between Nvidia's quality and the people working in the country
 
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No problem at all considering AMD had the same problems with supplying enough cards on time if I recall correctly from 3 months ago.

Other than us losing americans jobs to all over the world which is courtesy of our government.. I don't see the indians being at fault here. I mean sheesh, its not like they asked nvidia to go there.. nvidia probably saw it as its best move in terms of 1. best available engineers, 2. good costs, 3. good location.
 

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Sorry, but india does not have high tech workforce that can replace US engineers. So far they have been given breadcrumbs of design work. Although india produces lots of degrees, many of them are just paper without real world experience. I've had much better experience with indians working in US as they accept and adapt to US standards in quality and dedication.
 

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From a pure business view, this is a good strategy for Nvidia. But from an American social view, it's bad. US in the 70s and 80s export many of the manufacturing overseas.

But nowaday, it's normal for the US to outsource brains too. Because of this, American wages have been and will continue to be cannibalized by overseas countries. 20 years from now, only those with high skill (eg, doctors, engineers and programmers with MS and PhD) or with skill that is not easiy outsource (eg, healthcare, law) will be employed well. Your average engineers and programmers with BS will be nothing more than laisons.

I think the ONLY technical industy that is not easily outsourced is the aerospace & defense industry. This is the only area left that is still protected, partly due to political reason, partly due to the real need of America must/need to hold a superiority in this area.

hmmm... with Nvidia's move, with the whole globalization thing... Americans consumers (at least those who have a good jobs with disopable income) will get more bang for the bux while thier neighbors might be struggling on welfare. Remember, globalization will benefit coporations and mostly corporations, while having the effect of equalizing wages across the globe (socialism). I support.
 

Meghan54

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Other than us losing americans jobs to all over the world which is courtesy of our government..


Well, like Geo. Bush once said, outsourcing is good for business. Lousy for those left behind, but good for business.
 

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Anyone else see a link between this and the decrease in quality of Nvidia products along with the failure to get new products to market?

Ah, I remember the OP from another recent thread, when he commented about pretty much the same thing (nVidia hiring more Indians = quality decrease leading to GPU killing drivers). I do not wish to pass judgement, save to say that perhaps it is due to a personal experience he has had that makes him rather... "irritable"... at Indians taking over jobs there in the US. I personally have nothing against Indians, and I have to say that for a big (and poor? Is India still third-world?) country with a tremendous population, I see lots of successful Indians in news, whether as top executives of global companies, or as top engineers and scientists in various industries. So it is my personal opinion that they must be a very industrious and hard-working people. I have nothing against them but respect and even a little admiration.

I am not from the US (I have vacationed for a month in California, but that's the extent of my US adventure, nothing more), so I cannot sympathize with "Americans losing their jobs", although the same globalization effect also happens here at home, but in a different way. Still sucks. We can't blame nVidia, they need to make a buck, and they decided this was probably the best way to do it.

As a non-US resident, my reaction to this news is: Well, if this helps nVidia perform better, and making the next Fermi iterations (Fermi 2 and maybe Fermi 3?) better in terms of performance, price, and schedule, then it is good for consumers like me. EDIT: Just realized Pune would not be in time for Fermi 2 and 3, as the timeline says "in the next five years". Anyway, whatever their next design is after Fermi.
 
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I think the ONLY technical industy that is not easily outsourced is the aerospace & defense industry. This is the only area left that is still protected, partly due to political reason, partly due to the real need of America must/need to hold a superiority in this area.

sorry to disappoint you, but I'm in that industry and many US companies have working centers in India and production centers in Mexico. Not everything in defense industry is secret. Still majority of workers in aero & defense are in US.
 

MagickMan

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Who cares? Global currency in 15 years, global gov't in 25. It will happen.
 

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Its cheaper to pay workforce in India, Even if its highly skilled work force.

Even if the pay in India is considered high among Indians, its comparatively much much lower than what westerners consider high. Its a win win situation for Nvidia.

That being said, there is no direct relationship between Nvidia's quality and the people working in the country

I agree 100% on the nVidia quality comment. I'd also like to add that the situation is similar in China. Someone I know is a manager and his company opened up an office in China hiring programmers and engineers there. It was pretty cost effective even though he gets sent to China every couple months because of the cheaper labor. You got more workers for the money even after having to open up a new office and send someone over every now and then. Most of the work was supervised via tele conferences.
 

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I think what we are seeing here, IF (BIG IF) theres any truth to this, is Nvidia starting to plan for the dry times ahead.

Im not that much into the buisness side of Nvidia, but i think they have the funds to stay alive and kicking for a longer period of time even if their latest creation, Fermi, is botched.

It will be very interesting to follow the news on Nvidia in the following months!
 

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but i think they have the funds to stay alive and kicking for a longer period of time even if their latest creation, Fermi, is botched.
This is most certainly true, I believe. They are actually still doing well financially, even with the delay. This is not to say they wouldn't have done loads better if Fermi came much earlier and was hands-down better than Cypress, we can't say since it didn't happen, but currently they are still good. If Fermi is really botched (too early to say, but launch is fortunately near enough now), it would still take some time and a lot of marketing from ATI to weaken nVidia's position. Business isn't all about product merits, a big big chunk is about brand building and recognition, and nVidia currently has no problems there (save for some enthusiasts who might be disappointed by the delay).

personally, I'm loving the not so subtle butthurt in this thread
I'm sorry if this is obvious to Americans, but I am not sure what this means. Anyone care to help a fellow forum member out? :)
 

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From a business point:

To me, it's clear that Nvidia is planning on shifting their strategy from desktop graphic to mobile graphics. And moving to India makes perfect sense. From India, Nvidia can get access to a very large mobile market, namely Asia! Asia will be the next consumer electronic hub, if not so already. Europe and America will simply follow, not lead.

Desktop gaming is a dying breed. Mobile device and console gaming is where the next big thing is as far as consumer graphics goes.

It's clear to me where Nvdia is going with this and their strategy in the next 5 years.

However, I don't give a crap about Nvidia!



From a social economic view, I worry a lot about this globalization trend and its effect on America.

Oh yeah, Americans will lose jobs. The trend for American companies is they grow start to grow at "home", then take it abroad (for cheap labor) once they get global. Americans will have to find other ways to "innovate", but it's getting harder and harder to innovate when you have to compete with China and India. China is more dominant in hardware, India more in software. However, of these 2, I fear China a lot more than India because China can pose an actually military threat, while Inida is weak militarily (India can't handle Pakistan militarily).

US defense industry is still relatively safe for now. Yes some aerospace components can be outsourced both in production and design, but the bulk and the important components are still designed and built in USA.

But you see, it's all doom and gloom!

Americans will have to lower their standard of living. The standard of living for Americans right now is ridicuous to begine with. Americans will need to stop maxing out on every credit card. Stop taking expensive vacations. Stop taking on too many expensive hobbies, i.e., cars, motorcycles, golf, furnishing lavish LCDs and furnitures for that extra room in the house, better yet get a smaller house. Stop upgrading your PC or PC components every 6-18 months, use it for 3-4 years. It amazes me that people are willing to plunk down up to $1000 for an iPhone!!! This is not a necessity. A good phone should not cost any more than $100 bux!

If Americans stop spending so much and start saving, they'll do themselves a huge favor, and more imprtantly their children a greater favor. Americans today are enjoying what their parents and grandparents left for them back in the 50s and 60s. It's time Americans save a little for the future generations, and will help Mother Earth along the way too by not leaving a bigass carbon footprint. It's amazing that an average American college student spends 5x as much electricity than one in Sweden (and I don't think the American student reads 5x as much!). Even if American were to half their standard of living, they would still be ahead of most of the free world!

Stop playing World Police, as this will only benefits the oil and defense industry, while taxing the rest of the population (via taxes and spending). Let Japan and Germany police itself. Let Iraq police itself. Wait, why was Iraq invaded in the first place? The only people benefiting from Iraq are defense contractors. My freedom isn't affected with or without Iraq. But you see... US defense industry is hooked on the revenues generated from policing the world... and they have the politicians in thier back pockets.

Back in the '20s and '30s, American was too much of an isolationist country. But after WW2, we've become a master pimp (Washington) where we have a whore (the corporation) in every corner of the globe, and we are ending up having to look after each whore's intersts (American interests) when ever the whore sneezes. The citizens are the ones paying it via taxes. What a nice little scheme to transfer the money from the citizens to the whore (corporations) huh?? No wonder American real wages have been on the decline for the past 3 decades, huh?!

America is a great country, but I feel that it has been taken hostage by all the polliticians, both Dem and Rep, who themselves are hostages of the corporations.

The irony is.. if America (the corporation) keeps outsourcing jobs and intellect, and keeps on chasing Wall Street profits,... eventually it will become a slave nation, slave to the corporations. Is America a sovereign nation or a country for sale??? Americans should not hate the world, should not hate the Chinese and Indians (although they are easy scapegoats),.. but hate the leaders and policymakers!

I have always find it amazing to find a piss poor backwater welfare addict in West Virginia supporting a Senator whose party support the major businesses. Yet somehow these backwater American can always be made to believe by supporting the Senator, he's supporting freedom and democracy. This whole patriotic theme that the pollys are pushing is killing me inside. But the brain washing works very well. People (Americans) gotta realize that the enemy is from within. Too many agendas ripping the American fabric apart. I don't know what will happen to America, but with the current trend, it's nothing good to look forward to. But hey we can still brag that we have the best X-fighters and nuke laced ICBMs! Too bad we can't use them to solve our social problems!
 

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Quite a mix, and let me be the first to ask, how the heck did you manage to bring military concerns into a topic about Nvidia moving their home base to India?

:p

Hey i guess you did lay it out nicely and i should have goten the hint when i read "social economic view".. or should I!

To adress one of your points spesifically, so as to not be considerd a complete tit myself.

Asia will be the next consumer electronic hub, if not so already. Europe and America will simply follow, not lead.


(maybe im misunderstanding your take on this, if so, bear with me...)

"next" is an easy enough word to understand literally, but in this context it can and should be argued as quite a broad term/word. Aside from Final fantasy ...like stuff, technology is tailored to the western worlds standards. And it does seem like we will be setting the standard for quite some time yet.
If you can produce with acceptable costs and still make a healthy profit, it doesnt matter where you are based. It might mean the guys at the top arent taking out more than So and So many millions, but the company as a whole is still making money. And thats all there is to buisness, isnt it?
 

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"next" is an easy enough word to understand literally, but in this context it can and should be argued as quite a broad term/word. Aside from Final fantasy ...like stuff, technology is tailored to the western worlds standards. And it does seem like we will be setting the standard for quite some time yet.
If you can produce with acceptable costs and still make a healthy profit, it doesnt matter where you are based. It might mean the guys at the top arent taking out more than So and So many millions, but the company as a whole is still making money. And thats all there is to buisness, isnt it?

The west is setting the standards?
Like what?
 

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That's what so great about America "Freedom" everyone has choice's worth it be bad or good. its there choice. If someone wants to spend $1,000 on a phone that's there choice.

but the goverment should do more about a company leaving weather it be. Taxing them more or offering paying 50% less tax's for the next 5 years to keep to the company in the u.s.

I Blame the Goverment for the companies leaving the U.S Because they should do something to make them stop leaveing.