Nvidia kills GTX285, GTX275, GTX260, abandons the mid and high end market

[thilanliyan]

Yeah Intel just threatened the OEMs to not sell AMD (or sell very little)...they didn't just continually cut prices back before Core came out.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Or we can use common sense.

Since when does any player completely leave the market? At the very least they will be replacing these with another product.

I wasn't doing any consideration about the truth or not of the article, just about the quality of the response. With so many things to say, the best they come on with is the kind of statement that I associate to "boost the moral of the faithful speech".

 

[T2k]

Nvidia Halts Development of Core Logic Sets @X-bit labs
Could've been this one Charlie confused VGA market with?

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: T2k
Nvidia Halts Development of Core Logic Sets @X-bit labs
Could've been this one Charlie confused VGA market with?

I am sure not.

Charlie predicted that one more than a year ago.
Now, who says he does not have a crystal ball?

 

[Pelu]

This looks like someone from the Onion News Network!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ilkhan]

yeah, but nVid leaving the chipset market was OBVIOUS a year ago. They dont have the licenses for QPI or DMI, ergo they cant develope for the new Intel CPUs. AMD has their own line of chipsets. nVid got screwed, but it was obvious a year ago that it was gonna turn out as it has.

 

[T2k]

Yeah, it wasn't something hard to guess. They never really made a bug-free chipset, just like they burned themselved with mobile GPU bugs as well (Apple is done with Nvidia at least for the next decade or so) - what's interesting is that it's (integrated cores) still a high percentage of their revenue... losing ONE-THIRD of your income when you are seriously behind schedule with EVERYTHING else as well and facing the year's business-turning quarter with no competitive product is a pretty dire state of being, isn't it?

 

[ilkhan]

true enough. I wonder whats going to replace that in the market, probably AMDs chipsets. Unlike Intel, the AMD chipsets have decent GPUs built in.
And they still have ION, for the moment.

 

[exar333]

Originally posted by: ilkhan
true enough. I wonder whats going to replace that in the market, probably AMDs chipsets. Unlike Intel, the AMD chipsets have decent GPUs built in.
And they still have ION, for the moment.

THAT would be ironic, wouldn't it? I wonder if AMD could get a license to make a chipset for Intel CPUs? That would be a hoot!

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: lopri
I don't see a single ad there. Kaspersky FTW.

Originally posted by: Fox5
AMD may have taken the Intel approach here, cut prices so much that you eliminate your own bottom-line, but at the same time basically force your opponent out of the market.

When did Intel cut prices so much that it eleiminated its bottom line? Just curious.

It missed profit forecasts around the core 2 times. Pentium 4's and Pentium D's were already selling for a bargain at that point, and the Core 2's came out price very low (compared to the then king athlon x2's) and continued to drop prices forcing AMD's margins downwards, even without competitive pressure from AMD to do so. Intel was still able to make a profit I believe, but it was significantly less than forecast, and most likely significantly less than they would have made had they not instituted a price war. At the same time, AMD was hurt far more than Intel, just like this price war between ATI and nvidia may end up hurting nvidia more in the long-run than it hurt ATI.

 

[imported_Shaq]

I don't see any shortages so far. Are they trying to create a shortage to boost their profit margin?

 

[v8envy]

That's Charlie's thesis. Cause an artificial shortage, get mouthpieces yammering about the shortage, and the sheeple will charge in to buy inferior product at higher prices and feel fortunate to get it.

I just think it's as simple as choosing to produce less product at unprofitable levels. Current inventory should be plenty for fanboys or customers unwilling/unable to do research. Everyone battens down the hatches and weathers the storm the best they can until the Fermi-based product line appears, hopefully earlier than Q1-Q2 of next year.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: T2k
Nvidia Halts Development of Core Logic Sets @X-bit labs
Could've been this one Charlie confused VGA market with?

Tough times for nVidia. Amd buying ati has really tightened up the market and moves us closer to the one company ruling all.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: v8envy
That's Charlie's thesis. Cause an artificial shortage, get mouthpieces yammering about the shortage, and the sheeple will charge in to buy inferior product at higher prices and feel fortunate to get it.

I just think it's as simple as choosing to produce less product at unprofitable levels. Current inventory should be plenty for fanboys or customers unwilling/unable to do research. Everyone battens down the hatches and weathers the storm the best they can until the Fermi-based product line appears, hopefully earlier than Q1-Q2 of next year.

Wait, wouldnt he be the yammering mouthpiece in your scenario?

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: T2k
Nvidia Halts Development of Core Logic Sets @X-bit labs
Could've been this one Charlie confused VGA market with?

Tough times for nVidia. Amd buying ati has really tightened up the market and moves us closer to the one company ruling all.

That would be bad news, irrespective of whether the ruling company is ATI or Nvidia: consumers suffer more when there is no competition and no choice.

 

[Janooo]

NV is launching Geforce GT220.

At least some 40nm parts but nothing bigger so far.

 

[Janooo]

GT240 is bigger. The question is when?

GPU: G215 (40nm)
DX: 10.1
Memory: 1024MB GDDR3 (at 1800Mhz) or 512MB GDDR5 (at 3600MHz)
Memory interface: 128-bit
GPU: 96 CUDA cores
Core: 650MHz
Shaders: 1590Mhz


Some results:

3DMark06_1280x1024 - 10391
3DMark06_1920x1200 - 8399
3DMark Vantage Performance - 6320

http://image3.it168.com//2009/...-b141-cd1bfabe8073.jpg
http://image3.it168.com//2009/...-9041-46497fdb9fa9.jpg
http://image3.it168.com//2009/...-8adc-c01a0459fdd4.jpg

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Janooo
GT240 is bigger. The question is when?

GPU: G215 (40nm)
DX: 10.1
Memory: 1024MB GDDR3 (at 1800Mhz) or 512MB GDDR5 (at 3600MHz)
Memory interface: 128-bit
GPU: 96 CUDA cores
Core: 650MHz
Shaders: 1590Mhz


Some results:

3DMark06_1280x1024 - 10391
3DMark06_1920x1200 - 8399
3DMark Vantage Performance - 6320

http://image3.it168.com//2009/...-b141-cd1bfabe8073.jpg
http://image3.it168.com//2009/...-9041-46497fdb9fa9.jpg
http://image3.it168.com//2009/...-8adc-c01a0459fdd4.jpg

So, roughly the power of a 9600GSO with 96 SPs. Which you can already buy for around $40. But being 40nm, might cost NV less to make.

Wait a sec, could this core be already shipping? Because Newegg was selling a wierdo Asus 9600GSO card, that had 96 SPs, but a 128-bit memory bus, with 512MB of DDR3.

 

[Rezist]

The GT240 looks good, I was little worried about what nVidia would do the mainstream parts. Fermi is likely going to be 399+. The wait for a mainstream part could have been a very very long time.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: Janooo
NV is launching Geforce GT220.

At least some 40nm parts but nothing bigger so far.

What's funny is that now even FU(a)D is implicitly admitting NV's Fermi problems:

Nvidia's DirectX 11 Fermi-based entry level won't arrive until first half of 2010.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15831/1/

Another former INQ'er has a less frothy explanation.

Ya know what I think (or hope)? I think it's time for the new Fermi GPU and they are clearing there stock to make room. Wouldn't that be a surprize?

You promised me fermi gpu's in the hands of reviewers by the end of September. So I guess we have went from knowing to hoping? Anyways I agree, much as I hate nVidia - I don't want to pay the price of no competition. Still is hard to imagine the fermi filling the gt260 spot in sales.

No read it again.I meant Oct. I have the page saved. I said you will know how fast gt300 is by the windows 7 launch and be able to buy one by Thanksgiving.

I'll dig up the page.........:thumbsup:

Edit:

I read it again and you missed your calling. You could replace fudo or charlie in the rewriting history department. End of the month means the end of the current month. Was written September 23. You were right that nVidia had a release, but wrong about the cards, unless of course they handed out mockups.

I thought that it was very clear by the end of our conversation that he meant end of oct.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: Lonyo
Meh, I said a long time ago that NV would struggle to compete on price with AMD, and now it's happening.
This was the obvious result of NV's big die, big memory bus strategy vs ATIs small die, less complex bus, more flexible RAM strategy (i.e. GDDR3 prices weren't going to change much, but GDDR5 obviously was)

NV can't compete on price without hurting themselves, and that's a fact whatever way you want to look at it. It's been a fact since day 1 when the HD4870 was released with a 256-bit bus and GDDR5.
OK so it's probably being sensationalised, but that doesn't mean that NV doesn't have problems at the moment.

My thoughts exactly.

Also, once Fermi does hit, will it really matter? By then AMD will have its 5700s available and maybe even the rest of the lineup (ie 5600s and 5300s). Meanwhile nVidia is scrambling to modify old designs in order to put out a 10.1 part...

What good is the performance crown when there's nothing else to back it up?

Cutting down Fermi won't do much for profits...

have you been asleep for the past year while nvidia has beaten 4850/4830/4670/etc in sales with g92 based crap?? Nvidia goes for the halo effect with the high end and, at least recently, gets away with shoveling crap down fanboi throats at the low/mid end.

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: Janooo
NV is launching Geforce GT220.

At least some 40nm parts but nothing bigger so far.

What's funny is that now even FU(a)D is implicitly admitting NV's Fermi problems:

Nvidia's DirectX 11 Fermi-based entry level won't arrive until first half of 2010.

I seems you missed the word 'entry'. He could be correct. I don't think we'll see them sooner than May-June 2010.

 

[Janooo]

Here is Anand's take on the situation.

I am confused though. The last paragraph:

And don?t think the PC GPU battle is over yet either. It took years for NVIDIA to be pushed out of the chipset space, even after AMD bought ATI. Even if the future of PC graphics are Intel and AMD GPUs, it?s going to take a very long time to get there.

Does it mean that Anand sees as a possibility that NV could be pushed out of the PC GPU business as well?
So NV would have 'Tesla and Tegra' markets and that's all? What do I miss?

 

[Kingbee13]

Originally posted by: Janooo
Here is Anand's take on the situation.

I am confused though. The last paragraph:

And don?t think the PC GPU battle is over yet either. It took years for NVIDIA to be pushed out of the chipset space, even after AMD bought ATI. Even if the future of PC graphics are Intel and AMD GPUs, it?s going to take a very long time to get there.

Does it mean that Anand sees as a possibility that NV could be pushed out of the PC GPU business as well?
So NV would have 'Tesla and Tegra' markets and that's all? What do I miss?

He's saying that if intel and AMD put good GPU's on die with the CPU, there would no longer be a discrete market for GPU's, at least thats my interpretation.