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nVidia GTS250 marketing plan
- Thread starter thilanliyan
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Andrew1990
Banned
well if the prices are lower than what the 9800GTX+ is at, then its fine in my book. It will just bring more performance to the mainstream crowd.
Anyways, companies have been doing this for a long time. Just like ATI's Radeon X700 was basically a Radeon 9800.....
Anyways, companies have been doing this for a long time. Just like ATI's Radeon X700 was basically a Radeon 9800.....
angry hampster
Diamond Member
Fine by me. 9800GTX+ is a freakin mouthful.
Andrew1990
Banned
Ok, what do you want me to add in a new thread? That they are really just rebadged or something new?
dflynchimp
Senior member
it's the performance/features that matters. If Nvidia is renaming the cards to better represent their performance tiers I see no problem with that.
nitromullet
Diamond Member
Looks like a lot of people didn't actually read the posted link...
I do however have an issue with something they claim in the article: "Simply put, Nvidia is sending out higher clocked GTS 250 cards to reviewers within the first week of launch, and is then sending out slower GTS 250 cards for the majority of sales from retailers like Newegg, NCIX, Micro Center, and other distributors." I think this is just pure speculation on their part. The way I read it is that they will have two versions of the GTS 250 (738/1100 and 738/1000), review sites will be getting the faster version for 'previews', but there is no indication that the slower clocked cards will be the only ones available at most retailers. It actually sounds to me more like NV is unloading older stock with the 738/1000 cards.
I do however have an issue with something they claim in the article: "Simply put, Nvidia is sending out higher clocked GTS 250 cards to reviewers within the first week of launch, and is then sending out slower GTS 250 cards for the majority of sales from retailers like Newegg, NCIX, Micro Center, and other distributors." I think this is just pure speculation on their part. The way I read it is that they will have two versions of the GTS 250 (738/1100 and 738/1000), review sites will be getting the faster version for 'previews', but there is no indication that the slower clocked cards will be the only ones available at most retailers. It actually sounds to me more like NV is unloading older stock with the 738/1000 cards.
thilanliyan
Lifer
To everyone saying "repost" or something to that effect...please read the link...it's not talking about just the renaming.
I don't see this as criminal or something but if the difference in memory clock makes a large difference to performance then it's wrong. However, we'll see tomorrow or whenever the 250 reviews hit (hopefully some sites will maybe underclock the memory and review).
I don't see this as criminal or something but if the difference in memory clock makes a large difference to performance then it's wrong. However, we'll see tomorrow or whenever the 250 reviews hit (hopefully some sites will maybe underclock the memory and review).
SlowSpyder
Lifer
Let me sure I understand what they're saying. They are saying that Nvidia will attempt to get some positive buzz going in the review world by sending out 'fast' boards with clocks of 738/1100, that is what the reviews we'll be reading tomorrow will be on. But then they will be selling the cards at 738/1000 as the reference model, but the 738/1100 will be labeled as 'overclocked' models even though they have to be reviewed as reference? I guess I'm confused.
"Simply put, Nvidia is sending out higher clocked GTS 250 cards to reviewers within the first week of launch, and is then sending out slower GTS 250 cards for the majority of sales from retailers like Newegg, NCIX, Micro Center, and other distributors.
Nvidia is suggesting that its board partners hide the existence of these higher clocked review cards by branding them as "overclocked" models to avoid market confusion. The note suggests that should partners wish to sell the slower cards with 1.0ns DDR3 modules (rated up to 1000MHz) prior to March 17th, the chips must be overclocked to at least 1100MHz, or the speed of the 0.8ns modules."
"Simply put, Nvidia is sending out higher clocked GTS 250 cards to reviewers within the first week of launch, and is then sending out slower GTS 250 cards for the majority of sales from retailers like Newegg, NCIX, Micro Center, and other distributors.
Nvidia is suggesting that its board partners hide the existence of these higher clocked review cards by branding them as "overclocked" models to avoid market confusion. The note suggests that should partners wish to sell the slower cards with 1.0ns DDR3 modules (rated up to 1000MHz) prior to March 17th, the chips must be overclocked to at least 1100MHz, or the speed of the 0.8ns modules."
thilanliyan
Lifer
I think the underhanded part would be if the reviewed cards are not listed as OC variants in the review itself but is then sold as an OC variant in stores. Like I said though...we'll see when the reviews come out.
The GTS250 has got to be some of the most disputed GPU pre-release ever for a GPU that no one here actually wants to buy and put in their rig when it comes out.
(I'm guilty of starting one of these threads 😱)
I'm sure it means something psychologically, we are bored or something. Everyone waiting for Larrabee or something exciting to happen to the GPU world.
(I'm guilty of starting one of these threads 😱)
I'm sure it means something psychologically, we are bored or something. Everyone waiting for Larrabee or something exciting to happen to the GPU world.
ilkhan
Golden Member
I dont know, if I get back to an X58 board before the 40nm high end nvidia parts come out I might grab a GTS250 to SLI with my 9800GTX+...
The GTS250 label it accurate within the current nvidia linup, it's not claiming to be faster than the GTX200 parts, nor is it claiming to be a $50 solution. The name is accurate. Long as the reviews label the reviewed cards as xxx/xxxx Mhz, and the retail boards are labeled with their correct xxx/xxxx Mhz, who gives a rats behind?
The GTS250 label it accurate within the current nvidia linup, it's not claiming to be faster than the GTX200 parts, nor is it claiming to be a $50 solution. The name is accurate. Long as the reviews label the reviewed cards as xxx/xxxx Mhz, and the retail boards are labeled with their correct xxx/xxxx Mhz, who gives a rats behind?
thilanliyan
Lifer
I definitely want to see what Intel can do...with such deep pockets, I'm sure they'll eventually create something to rival ATI and nVidia (hopefully they can do it in their first try so that we all have more choice). When is Larrabee actually coming out anyway?
Zap
Elite Member
It isn't speculation. It is putting a spin on things.
I can truthfully say, "OMG Ford sends these Mustangs to car magazines for review that comes with 300bhp V8 engines, but most of them come with crappy 210bhp V6 engines. What a ripoff!!!!1111!!!"
As long as you are aware of clock speeds and what they mean to (relative) performance, you'll do fine. :thumbsup:
Does everyone here realize that 9500 GT cards are available with both DDR2 and GDDR3? How about the fact that the Radeon x1650 Pro was available with either 64-bit or 128-bit memory interfaces? What about the 9600 GT made by one of the top partners that uses DDR2 instead of GDDR3? What about those occasional oddball Radeon 3870 that use slower GDDR3 instead of GDDR4? Why didn't reviewers get GDDR3 versions? What about Radeon 4650 that I see shipping with anywhere from DDR2 to GDDR4 with everything in between? I'm sure there's got to be a performance difference between 800MHz and 1800MHz memory.
:roll: If the idea of a video card shipping with different versions that perform slightly different from each other makes your* brain explode, for the sake of your continued health please step away from the keyboard.
*That's a generic "your" and not meant to single anyone out. Shit, sad day that I feel I can't be ornery in an online forum without disclaimers.
I beg to differ. I actually want one for my HTPC. I'm aware of exactly how much these will cost and exactly where they stand in the pecking order of performance. I also know exactly how much shorter these are than something like a GTX 285, and roughly how much lower temperatures and power draw it will be. Suffice to say that it is perfect for my HTPC that uses an Antec NSK3480 with the stock EarthWatts 380W power supply. It will be a humongous upgrade from the existing Radeon 2600 Pro.
You can't. Both cards have to be 9800 GTX+ or both GTS 250.
:thumbsup: Bravo! Well said.
thilanliyan
Lifer
I think everyone realizes that there will be different versions. However, I think the argument is whether (and this is how I interpreted the article) the review samples will be in fact labeled as OC versions. If they are then it's a non-issue. IF the review samples are NOT labeled as OC and are at 738/1100 but at retail only the OC versions are 738/1100 then that's not right.
I think a lot of people also don't realize that portion is the commentary of the author and doesn't reflect the actual "news" cited from the source:
- March 3rd ? Reviews go live of GTS 250 1GB fast boards (738/1100)
March 10th ? GTS 250 1GB and 512MB fast boards (738/1100) available for sale.
March 17th ? GTS 250 1GB slow boards (738/1000) available for sale.
NOTE: The older slow 1GB (1000MHz memory) boards should not go on sale till after March 17th. The only exceptions are if partners can overclock the memory on these to hit 1100MHz.
While I can see why some people are upset by the distinction in RAM speed, I'm sure vendors will clearly label the difference in RAM clocks, at which point the consumers will have to do some due diligence. The other alternative would've been for Nvidia to rebrand the "fast" parts with a new part designation, like the GTS 250.1 or GTS 251 or something along those lines but of course they'd get crucified for that as well. In other words its clearly a double-edged sword and no-win situation no matter what they decide to do.
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