Yea, funny enough it was the same people that are now claiming that Fusion is the best thing since sliced bread, and the people that bought the Barcelona nonsense.
It's always the AMD fanboys.
Please find a post where I talk about barcelona.
Opposed to what you think I'm not trying to prove you that the Llano concept works or not.
That is AMD job to get their products working.
I've just posted the information that is available.
Have you seen the Llano die shot? How many SIMDs/SPs does it seem to have? You disagree that it seems to be 8 SIMDs which means 480 SP?
Does that alone makes the performance comparable to a 5570?
Of course not.
What about clock speeds? 32 nm SOI process not bulk 40 nm. That could mean higher clock speed.
Memory bandwidth? How AMD handles this seems to be what can make this product great or POS. DDR3 1600 dual channel is 25.6 GB/s. And I don't care that the CPUs can't use as much. As you said GPUs use memory differently. I guess you believe that AMD can just create a direct path to the memory controller without changing how the memory controller works and handles the loads.
Then we have the rumours since Llano started sampling. The most recent is tomshardware saying that AMD suggested Llano will have similar performance to 5570. I don't know if tomshardware is lying, if AMD is lying or both. It is there you can go check the site. Maybe AMD was only talking about FP performance. Tomshardware suggested 3d performance.
You believe AMD is a bunch of liar cunts that can't make it happen due to the bandwidth obvious limitation. That is fine.
But people in here are just talking what happens if in fact the rumours are true.
You dislike rumours. That is fine too.
What I don't understand is why the possibility of Llano reaches 5570 performance on the graphics side causes such a reaction on your part.
Are you afraid people will start queuing on stores waiting to buy Llanos? Are you afraid someone will read this thread and shares will go up or down? Are you afraid people will stop buying CPUs or laptops meanwhile?
Because if that is what you are afraid you have loads of threads on several forums to crash in, starting by this one on the AT CPU forums
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2073362 .
Cause if there is no problem, well, we can just wait. No need to shout. We all have access to the same information. We all know that bandwidth seems to be the key. Look at all those "ifs" around.
I gave many facts, about how a DDR3 modular system is inefficient, and how a CPU+GPU shared memory controller is even MORE inefficient.
Sadly everyone ignored these facts, so there is no discussion possible.
Not that I disagree in theory, it would be interesting if you could provide hard data for this one though. Although I don't see how you could, since the only GPU+CPU shared memory controllers that are similar to Llano are only the Llano chips.