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NVIDIA Geforce GTX 1070 Thread

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MagickMan said:
I stopped reading there, because you don't understand how such benchmarks work or why they even exist, and trying to do so would be a waste of my time.



1950 seems to be about the average for the 1070 FE. It appears the cooler isn't as robust as the one for the 1080, though they're cosmetically the same, which isn't surprising.
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Actually I do understand. The point is its not a game end of story. It's a synthetic benchmark.

When you can find a review backing your thoughts let me know though. Otherwise I don't make purchasing decisions off a synthetic benchmark I can't play and neither do most people.
 
littleg said:
SemiAccurate has a decidedly AMD slant and always has. I wouldn't pay too much mind to it.
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That's nothing new in that forum. 😛

''It seems that NVIDIA has very few production 16nm slots at TSMC. On the other hand, AMD has a lot of 14nm slots at GloFo (AMD has no production constrictions, while NVIDIA has to choose carefully...''
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''Yep. NVIDIA will just show Pascal GPU at Computex.''
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''It doesn't matter, because Nvidia + new memory + new fabrication process + new architecture = catastrophic failure. I have zero confidence in Pascal and I'm assuming it'll start out with a bunch of reality distortion field followed by a few months after release, people find massive flaws in the hardware and JHH comes out and proclaims that "they did it for you" and that "the problems are a feature not a bug :^)". ''
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''No consumer cards until June? And AMD consumer cards in April? Sounds like Charlie was right again.''
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''99% wood screws and marketing. Not sure about the remaining 1%.''
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Card looks really good. Actually a little better than I was expecting. Cant wait to grab an EVGA with an ACX 3.0 cooler.
 
Xenochus said:
RS,

Interesting. What do you think about some people (namely those on SemiAccurate's forum http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8757&page=155) who are carping about the 1070 (and by extension Pascal's) alleged under performance in DX12 games v.s. AMD's Fury ( and by extension Polaris/Vega) as well? What's your take on the longevity of the 1070 for future DX12 games next year?
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longevity and Nvidia in the same sentence...
You're a funny funny man!

There is no longevity for the 1070. When the next architecture comes out, Nvidia will focus on that and forget about the 1070.
 
tential said:
longevity and Nvidia in the same sentence...
You're a funny funny man!

There is no longevity for the 1070. When the next architecture comes out, Nvidia will focus on that and forget about the 1070.
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Yep, that 1070 will stop working or have unplayable FPS......not. The longevity meme is silly. However, game by game optimizing might drop off. Two different things. But to each their own.
 
tential said:
Actually I do understand. The point is its not a game end of story. It's a synthetic benchmark.

When you can find a review backing your thoughts let me know though. Otherwise I don't make purchasing decisions off a synthetic benchmark I can't play and neither do most people.
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No you don't. And as for "I don't make purchasing decisions off a synthetic benchmark I can't play and neither do most people"<sic>. Must be why 3Dmark is so wildly unpopular and unused by every review site... Oh wait...

You have such an absurd minority opinion on this, seemingly based entirely on trying to get people to buy new video cards, I can only assume that you have some type of personal stake in this (like owning Nvidia stock) that there's no reason for anyone to take what you say about this issue seriously.
 
DooKey said:
Yep, that 1070 will stop working or have unplayable FPS......not. The longevity meme is silly. However, game by game optimizing might drop off. Two different things. But to each their own.
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He's convinced of the conspiracy, and Kepler > Maxwell wasn't great for Kepler owners, but since Maxwell and Pascal are essentially the same architecture (Kepler and Maxwell definitely weren't), there's no reason to expect a similar situation this time.
 
Wow, the 1070 is barely holding above 60 fps in battles on Witcher 3 at 1440p medium in this footage from Tech of Tomorrow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z3PtF5jlZ4

I mean we're talking Witcher 3 after a ton of patches, Witcher 3 that seems to perform a lot better on my 970 now than it did when I first played it last year. It's stuff like this that makes me wonder when people say the 1070 is a straight 1440p and above card. Already you're getting 35 fps at 1440p ultra in a year old game, what are the new ones coming out this Christmas season going to do to it?
 
SteveGrabowski said:
Wow, the 1070 is barely holding above 60 fps in battles on Witcher 3 at 1440p medium in this footage from Tech of Tomorrow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z3PtF5jlZ4

I mean we're talking Witcher 3 after a ton of patches, Witcher 3 that seems to perform a lot better on my 970 now than it did when I first played it last year. It's stuff like this that makes me wonder when people say the 1070 is a straight 1440p and above card. Already you're getting 35 fps at 1440p ultra in a year old game, what are the new ones coming out this Christmas season going to do to it?
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I doesn't make sense to expect a lower mid range card to wreck games at 1440p and its not fair to expect that. The only reason people expect that is because the 1070 is priced more than a GTX 570 was, but its not in the same league as a 570 class card is.
The traditional $350-450 price bracket was reserved for cut down high end cards that perform close to the maximum potential of the architecture. The 1070 is a GTX 560 class card that has been priced like a GTX 570, so people's high expectations are justified by the price, but they fail to realize that this card should cost around $200 to match it's actual cut down mid range status.
Its a good card, but its not the 2nd tier high end that people have been tricked into believing it is.
 
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moonbogg said:
I doesn't make sense to expect a lower mid range card to wreck games at 1440p and its not fair to expect that. The only reason people expect that is because the 1070 is priced more than a GTX 570 was, but its not in the same league as a 570 class card is.
The traditional $350-450 price bracket was reserved for cut down high end cards that perform close to the maximum potential of the architecture. The 1070 is a GTX 560 class card that has been priced like a GTX 570, so people's high expectations are justified by the price, but they fail to realize that this card should cost around $200 to match it's actual cut down mid range status.
Its a good card, but its not the 2nd tier high end that people have been tricked into believing it is.
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You don't say :hmm:

But then I've seen many (informed) forum members here & elsewhere compare the 1080 with a Titan X & then proclaiming how cheap it is 😵
 
Since when does a new 2nd tier flagship get matched or beaten by the last gen's high end card? Never. That's ridiculous. That kind of performance delta only exists between previous gen high ends and new gen mid range products. If the 1070 was an actual 2nd tier high end, it would completely slaughter the 980ti, regardless of overclock and there would be no possible way to ever say the 980ti could match it in anything.
A new 2nd tier high end should totally blow away everything from last gen by a mile. The only exception to this is when there was a die shrink of existing GPU's and released as a refresh cycle. You get a bump in performance and usually a price break while they ramp up production on the new node. Now they just release the mid range stuff and charge you up the ass for it. New node, smaller die, mid range class performance and they charge the same or MORE money LOL.
 
SteveGrabowski said:
Wow, the 1070 is barely holding above 60 fps in battles on Witcher 3 at 1440p medium in this footage from Tech of Tomorrow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z3PtF5jlZ4

I mean we're talking Witcher 3 after a ton of patches, Witcher 3 that seems to perform a lot better on my 970 now than it did when I first played it last year. It's stuff like this that makes me wonder when people say the 1070 is a straight 1440p and above card. Already you're getting 35 fps at 1440p ultra in a year old game, what are the new ones coming out this Christmas season going to do to it?
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It's stuff like this which makes me wonder why people even bother playing at such resolutions. If the 1070 is getting 35FPS what do you think the 1080 would be getting? Certainly not 60FPS.

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moonbogg said:
A new 2nd tier high end should totally blow away everything from last gen by a mile. The only exception to this is when there was a die shrink of existing GPU's and released as a refresh cycle. You get a bump in performance and usually a price break while they ramp up production on the new node. Now they just release the mid range stuff and charge you up the ass for it. New node, smaller die, mid range class performance and they charge the same or MORE money LOL.
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The 670 blew away the 580 for $400
The 1070 blows away the 780Ti for $380

just a bit late.
 
Flapdrol1337 said:
The 670 blew away the 580 for $400
The 1070 blows away the 780Ti for $380

just a bit late.
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GTX580 was TITANX.You cant compare 1070 with 780Ti OMG.

BTW i must say 1080 looks much better card than 1070.That performance just is there.1070 for 450USD looks like crap.1080 have 17% more minimums than 1070 average FPS thats just crazy how bad 1070 is.
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moonbogg said:
I doesn't make sense to expect a lower mid range card to wreck games at 1440p and its not fair to expect that. The only reason people expect that is because the 1070 is priced more than a GTX 570 was, but its not in the same league as a 570 class card is.
The traditional $350-450 price bracket was reserved for cut down high end cards that perform close to the maximum potential of the architecture. The 1070 is a GTX 560 class card that has been priced like a GTX 570, so people's high expectations are justified by the price, but they fail to realize that this card should cost around $200 to match it's actual cut down mid range status.
Its a good card, but its not the 2nd tier high end that people have been tricked into believing it is.
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I don't get it either, but that's the prevailing view on this forum that 1070 is 1440p and above. I still remember when everyone said the same about 970. I figured what the hell, I'll still get a 970 for my 1080p panel, and even with Far Cry 4 (the game that came with the card) I was getting drops here and there at 1080p ultra.
 
96Firebird said:
Disagree, 1070 is a much better deal for me at $380. Can't wait to pick one up!
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Good luck finding aftermarket 1070 for 380.If you look at 1080 most aftermarket cards cost same as FE or more.
MSI 1080 gaming X cost 750 or 800USD
Only evga with reference PCB cost less.
 
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