nvidia first to market with DX11 GPUs?
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I like how even the ATi sources are bashing that d-bag charilie. :thumbsup:
Wow, Q3 GT300? That would be awesome....
Wow, Q3 GT300? That would be awesome....
Lol. Charlie is to the internet new media as Dvorak was to the world of printed mags in the 90's. A self-styled expert on all manner of conspiracy and hidden agenda. The movies Mel Gibson could make as auto-biographies of these two "industry insiders" would keep him from making another Apocalypto for decades to come.
That's what we in the industry call a "win-win scenario" :laugh: (Cat in the Hat reference, anyone with kids right now will get it)
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I'm guessing we'll be seeing them within a week of each other.
As for when.. I have no idea, I'm going to arbitrarily pick November.
As for when.. I have no idea, I'm going to arbitrarily pick November.
It's all a marketing ploy. NV is waiting for ATi to launch first, knowing full well that many people will wait for the competition to release and compare, then NV will adjust and revise their chips to beat any of ATi's offerings at the same prices and release a couple of months later into the marketplace than ATi. Sure, they would lose early adopters, but if they would cause a pricewar and force ATi's competing mainstream GPU out of the favourable selections, they'd make a lot more money anyway.
I'm with ya.
GT300 is 40nm? Or was that also unsubstantiated rumor?
Given the state of TSMC's 40nm I'll be really surprised to see a large die (>300mm^2) coming from it in 4-5 months. End of year seems like just so close, and the things that need fixen, combined with fab cycle times, ugh. Gonna be tight.
Time will tell though, as it always does.
Honestly, the launch ones will be running dx10 for the first year or more. Hell, we barely have dx10 games now. Dx11 is not important yet.
I expect that my 280gtx is still good to go for another year at least.
My money is it will be nv first but only with a safe version of the card they will release later. Same as this revision. The 8800 series capped with the 8800 but not nv and amd have several variations of the base high level card.
I expect that my 280gtx is still good to go for another year at least.
My money is it will be nv first but only with a safe version of the card they will release later. Same as this revision. The 8800 series capped with the 8800 but not nv and amd have several variations of the base high level card.
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So ATI according to rumors started BY I wonder who. Now rumor is ATI is redoing the chip that already taped out. Must been a dog comparred to NV untapped out chip. The specs scarred ATI inti a remake . I here Because of 300 specs Intel is backing away from CPU?GPU business. NV has finely opened that can of whoop ass . and scarred all into submission. 4t Sp is doomed to the power of NV . LOL. Chip hasn't tapped out and Fanbois calling for 09 release LOL LOL LOL . Than the truely funny part is people believing NV will get this right on first tap out . I bet there is at least 3 to 4 tap outs. It could be the ATI type delay with the 600 . But we won't see the 300 for along time earlist spring of 2010. When you have news of successful tap out . Than we can figure release time.
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DX 11 is bringing open CL . It will have immedite uses . I sure NV can use . ATI will use right away with Havak. This isn't like other DX releasese. Were we have to wait . Open CL will have immediate effect.
One must admit the Beginning of 2010 is going to be so cool . ATI/ NV/ Larrabee . All new cards all showing at same time. I wonder why ATI is delaying further tho. They already tapped out . Since the 300 isn't tapped out . Thats not the reason . Could it be the Larrabee which is in the wild has scarred ATI . That makes the most logical reason. for ATI redoing specs. If ATI not doing redoing specs. NV won't beat them to market as the Fab can work with ATI's tapped out chip to get ready for production. Either The ATI story is a lie . or ATI found out larrabees performance.
See I as bad as you are NO larrabee no fermi
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I have no idea what to believe or not believe at this piont, but I remember hearing that the RV870 was going to be a 1200SP chip vs. the monster 512SP Nvidia GT300. Unless the 870 had monster clock speeds there's no way that would cmopete, assuming Nvidia has decent clocks. Of course these were older rumors I've heard, I'm sure they change all the time and that my 'info' isn't up to date. I remember how so many here couldn't believe that the RV770 would have 800SP since they didn't shrink their process. We just don't know, so I try not to pay too much attention to rumos this early.
One thing that crossed my mind is that AMD's chip is very small compared to Nvidia's GT2xx chips on current tech. I would think if AMD wanted they could increase the size of their chip much easier than Nvidia at this point. If they could keep their clocks where they wanted and keep their current better performance per mm silicon there's no reason they sholdn't be competitive to faster. Of course I doubt Nvidia is sitting still either.
I was tempted to buy a 4890, but the extra potential ~180MHz on the core over my current 820MHz 4870 just doesn't do it for me. This officially puts me an impatient mode for next gen.
Same as always then. Wait and see. Buy when you have to buy. I recently upgraded to a 9450 b/c I went to Vista 64. I hope Win 7 and these cards come out in close proximity and actually work well enough to justify buying into that setup.
Still, experience tells me, the time is not too near. I would guess at least 6 more months until it is worth it.
Still, experience tells me, the time is not too near. I would guess at least 6 more months until it is worth it.
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I don't think there's anyone that believes ATI's offerings will outperform Nvidia's next gen offerings.
The debate is whether or not ATI's R8xx series chips will offer enough bang for the buck to draw customers. People looking for the top end performance will likely be getting GT300s, but those only comprise less than 1% of the total market. The bulk of people that buy discrete cards shop in the 100 to 200 dollar price range, where ATI is extremely strong right now.
The debate is whether or not ATI's R8xx series chips will offer enough bang for the buck to draw customers. People looking for the top end performance will likely be getting GT300s, but those only comprise less than 1% of the total market. The bulk of people that buy discrete cards shop in the 100 to 200 dollar price range, where ATI is extremely strong right now.
Well, I don't think things will change overnight. AMD has close to a 50% transistor advantage over NV, and it would be very hard for them to not offer a very good value with their upcoming GPUs.
OTOH NV has held the performance crown for so long now, plus AMD isn't even trying at the high end. I expect a repeat of the current generation, with NV extending their performance lead at the top. The new AMD cards look too incremental to me.
OTOH NV has held the performance crown for so long now, plus AMD isn't even trying at the high end. I expect a repeat of the current generation, with NV extending their performance lead at the top. The new AMD cards look too incremental to me.
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Looks can be decieving. On paper NV specs look impressive . NV has to prove they can build this chip. NV has yet to prove they can do DX10.1 . Which is hugh part of DX11.
So I look at FX and I say anything can happen . This isn't same old chip NV been passing off for last 3 years. Its new. Looking at NV history not a good thing. ATI had the 300 NV had present gen . Now its NV 300 . Will it be all that ATIs 300 was to the Market Very very unlikely.
So I look at FX and I say anything can happen . This isn't same old chip NV been passing off for last 3 years. Its new. Looking at NV history not a good thing. ATI had the 300 NV had present gen . Now its NV 300 . Will it be all that ATIs 300 was to the Market Very very unlikely.
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Originally posted by: B3rCik
Hopefully.
But for now, it's only a palmistry
Jum, never heard of that word before, what does it mean? It's like in a movie were a character got so impressed because of the madness of a guy and he said, "That's travesty" (or Trasvesty?) don't know how to spell it.
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/palmistry
[pah-muh-stree]
?noun
the art or practice of telling fortunes and interpreting character from the lines and configurations of the palm of a person's hand.
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I recall the trouble ATI had getting from the 3oo teck to the 6oo tech the x1800 what ever that piece of crap was. To were they are now with it. It was a hard road. I can't see NV just jumping threw all those loops without screwing the pooch. TO be DX10.1 complanent isn't an easy trick in itself. Than to do what NV hopes do do . Would be impressive if they do it . I tip hat . But show me first.
Palm/istry
Palm/istry
Originally posted by: evolucion8
Originally posted by: B3rCik
Hopefully.
But for now, it's only a palmistry
Jum, never heard of that word before, what does it mean? It's like in a movie were a character got so impressed because of the madness of a guy and he said, "That's travesty" (or Trasvesty?) don't know how to spell it.
First of all - I'm from Poland, so sorry for any inappropriate word
Second : Palmistry - I mean prediction
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