Nvidia DSR and modern games

[Rhezuss]

The newest Nvidia feature, DSR (short for Dynamic Super Resolution), is a really cool feature that allows upscaling resolution to simulate a higher res.

I use it in "older games" like Diablo 3 and WoW and the result is amazing. But when I want to use it in more modern games the input and mouse lag is just unbearable and make the game unplayable.

Should I activate Triple Buffering too or is it just not tuned up enough?

 

[railven]

The newest Nvidia feature, DSR (short for Dynamic Super Resolution), is a really cool feature that allows upscaling resolution to simulate a higher res.

I use it in "older games" like Diablo 3 and WoW and the result is amazing. But when I want to use it in more modern games the input and mouse lag is just unbearable and make the game unplayable.

Should I activate Triple Buffering too or is it just not tuned up enough?

Depending on what rez you're using, might not be much you can do at least for modern games.

Hell, WoW for me on a GTX 780 goes from 60 FPS to <~30 FPS when using 1.5xDSR @ 1440p.

Older games I would imagine it's great, newer games, woof!

 

[Rhezuss]

I'm on 1080p and anything other than the full 4k look bad, so I use 3840x2160 when I upscale.

WoW and D3 look freaking good with this and the mouse lag isn't that noticeable and easily countered. But anything else, be it Dying Light, Wolfenstein, even a fully modded Stalker SoT, make the mouse lag unbearable.

But it's ok, 1080p does the trick for me anyways and will help prevent my 970 going over 3.5gb of VRAM useage

 

[Leyawiin]

Hell, WoW for me on a GTX 780 goes from 60 FPS to <~30 FPS when using 1.5xDSR @ 1440p.

Really? I have a GTX 780 and I'm at a lower resolution (1920x1200), but at 2x DSR and with CMAA enable in game I haven't taken any performance hit. Its still nailed @ 60 FPS on Ultra - just like before. I have an i5-4690k and use adaptive vertical sync. Same goes for Skyrim. I think I lost one or two FPS. Monitor's a 60 Hz IPS so its not hard for that card and CPU to keep it at 60 FPS on Ultra almost everywhere even with DSR (save for a spot or two in Markarth). Oh, and no mouse lag.

 

[clayton006]

I'm on 1080p and anything other than the full 4k look bad, so I use 3840x2160 when I upscale.

WoW and D3 look freaking good with this and the mouse lag isn't that noticeable and easily countered. But anything else, be it Dying Light, Wolfenstein, even a fully modded Stalker SoT, make the mouse lag unbearable.

But it's ok, 1080p does the trick for me anyways and will help prevent my 970 going over 3.5gb of VRAM useage

It depends on what video settings you are using on WoW that make DSR worthy or not.

I use 4 Titans hooked up to a UHD monitor, and then at times I hook them up to one of my two projectors. I enable DSR when I use the projectors and the game roughly performs like if I had the UHD monitor plugged in. WoW takes most of my CPU power, and some of my GPU power to do max settings at 3840x2160....

 

[hawtdawg]

Hell, WoW for me on a GTX 780 goes from 60 FPS to <~30 FPS when using 1.5xDSR @ 1440p.

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really? Granted, I'm running SLI 780's, but I can maintain close to 96fps with 2x DSR in Wow at 1440p.

 

[Headfoot]

"mouse lag" just means your FPS are too low. You're running things at very high resolution when you do DSR which requires a ton of horsepower

 

[Rhezuss]

The mouse lag happens even in menus and the games don't lag that much more, the mouse cursor still moves fluidly on the screen, not choppy or slideshowy (if that's a word lol) but there's that "input lag" feel on it.

 

[railven]

Really? I have a GTX 780 and I'm at a lower resolution (1920x1200), but at 2x DSR and with CMAA enable in game I haven't taken any performance hit. Its still nailed @ 60 FPS on Ultra - just like before. I have an i5-4690k and use adaptive vertical sync. Same goes for Skyrim. I think I lost one or two FPS. Monitor's a 60 Hz IPS so its not hard for that card and CPU to keep it at 60 FPS on Ultra almost everywhere even with DSR (save for a spot or two in Markarth). Oh, and no mouse lag.

really? Granted, I'm running SLI 780's, but I can maintain close to 96fps with 2x DSR in Wow at 1440p.

Are you guys talking about in the Garrison or raiding? Not that I don't believe you guys, but Ultra setting @1440p with CMAA pegs my 780 @ 60-70% load just in the Garrison.

Raiding I can easily drop into the 20s with a good set of special effects (that and I'm melee and for some reason close up of special effects always crushes performance).

 

[Leyawiin]

Are you guys talking about in the Garrison or raiding? Not that I don't believe you guys, but Ultra setting @1440p with CMAA pegs my 780 @ 60-70% load just in the Garrison.

Raiding I can easily drop into the 20s with a good set of special effects (that and I'm melee and for some reason close up of special effects always crushes performance).

Level 3 Alliance Garrison and both War Spear and Stormshield. Its stays pegged at 60 FPS on DSR x2 for 1920x1200 on Ultra. I don't have the i5-4690k or GTX 780 overclocked (the GTX 780 is a PNY Custom Cooler model and is at the reference 863 Mhz).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...49&amp;ignorebbr=1

I don't raid yet, but for instance in the big scripted NPC battle outside Shattrah during the main quest it did drop into the mid-30s. That kind of thing happens to everyone regardless of hardware. WoW is so hard to debug with performance issues since there's so many variables relating to server or internet (things out of your control).

 

[Rhezuss]

Level 3 Alliance Garrison and both War Spear and Stormshield. Its stays pegged at 60 FPS on DSR x2 for 1920x1200 on Ultra. I don't have the i5-4690k or GTX 780 overclocked (the GTX 780 is a PNY Custom Cooler model and is at the reference 863 Mhz).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...49&amp;ignorebbr=1

I don't raid yet, but for instance in the big scripted NPC battle outside Shattrah during the main quest it did drop into the mid-30s. That kind of thing happens to everyone regardless of hardware. WoW is so hard to debug with performance issues since there's so many variables relating to server or internet (things out of your control).

Agree. WoW runs flawlessly on my setup and the lag I occasionally get is mainly from my internet connection (crappy router that need a reboot every month). I still experience some minor lag/rubberbanding but nothing major.

I'm running WoW and D3 at 3840x2160 (DSR)

 

[cmdrdredd]

I'm running SLI so I have extra horsepower to push but I can run Far Cry 4 at 2804x1577 no problem and it looks better to me than running TXAA at 1440p. For some reason SMAA gives me ghost objects and shadow problems in the game so that's unusable. Anyway there are no input issues with this resolution for me, but again I am running SLI.

 

[Eric1987]

Are you guys talking about in the Garrison or raiding? Not that I don't believe you guys, but Ultra setting @1440p with CMAA pegs my 780 @ 60-70% load just in the Garrison.

Raiding I can easily drop into the 20s with a good set of special effects (that and I'm melee and for some reason close up of special effects always crushes performance).

Thats terrible. With 1 290x at UHD I get 35-40 FPS in raids with a 2500k at 4.5GHz.

 

[ocre]

I think DSR can make games look way better. The only issue is the performance hit is massive on some games, especially the modern ones.

Would love to be able to play all games at 4x DSR but its not ppssible wot a single gtx980.......

But the ones that i can, its such an improvement. Especaily in the small details.

Some games look good with 2x but if i didnt have to settle, i wouldnt be. DSR is very hard on our GPUs but the feature is so good i am already thinking of my next upgrade. A mpre powerful GPU when they finally get here. I will be waiting for AMD to launch but i am already wanting more graphics powet. Darn DSR!!!!!

 

[astr591]

DSR i think

 

[flexy]

It's still puzzling to me WHY Nvidia's DSR has such a big performance hit, especially on anything but Maxwell CPUs.

I remember not that long ago I ran Far Cry 3 and used an old downsampling tool from Tommti Systems for DX9 games. I downsampled from 3840x2100 to my native 1680x1050 ON MY GTX 660 TI and the game looked amazing and run actually well!

I don't understand why it should matter that "a game is new" or uses DX11 - why would this matter at all when downsampling? (Isn't the principle the same: A game, ANY game, is internally rendered in higher resolution and then downsampled and given out to the monitor, in simple speak).

I absolutely do NOT understand why I was able to run Far Cry 3 looking amazing and playable but DSR on any new game now on my GTX 660 Ti gives a slide-show and would at least demand a GTX 970.

 

[Silverforce11]

Downsampling always had a massive performance hit, nearly equal or sometimes slightly more than actually running at that high resolution.

I don't think 660 ti class can handle FC3 on maxed settings at 3840 x 2100 and run well. So something isn't right.

A single 970/980 isn't enough to handle 4K res.

 

[Ken145]

This "input lag" may have something to do with insufficient mouse sensivity/DPI setting when operating at x times higher than normal res

 

[Rhezuss]

This "input lag" may have something to do with insufficient mouse sensivity/DPI setting when operating at x times higher than normal res

Oh, that's a good point, thanks for pointing that out.

 

[kasakka]

I'm running SLI so I have extra horsepower to push but I can run Far Cry 4 at 2804x1577 no problem and it looks better to me than running TXAA at 1440p. For some reason SMAA gives me ghost objects and shadow problems in the game so that's unusable. Anyway there are no input issues with this resolution for me, but again I am running SLI.

You can get working SMAA with SLI if you use SweetFX and set AA to off in the game.

Not completely sold on DSR. I think it would best work as a replacement for antialiasing because combined with AA I felt it made everything a bit too smooth along with a big performance hit.

I just wish Nvidia got it properly working with SLI + G-Sync, now I don't even get DSR options even if G-Sync is disabled when SLI is enabled.

 

[hawtdawg]

Are you guys talking about in the Garrison or raiding? Not that I don't believe you guys, but Ultra setting @1440p with CMAA pegs my 780 @ 60-70% load just in the Garrison.

Raiding I can easily drop into the 20s with a good set of special effects (that and I'm melee and for some reason close up of special effects always crushes performance).

even raiding, I've never seen anything under 60fps.

 

[Pottuvoi]

This "input lag" may have something to do with insufficient mouse sensivity/DPI setting when operating at x times higher than normal res

Maximum Pre-Rendered Frames setting may be too high as well.
It's the most common mouse lag inducer when having non-optimal framerate and V-sync. (It takes some frames to see actual movement.)

 

[tential]

I think DSR can make games look way better. The only issue is the performance hit is massive on some games, especially the modern ones.

Would love to be able to play all games at 4x DSR but its not ppssible wot a single gtx980.......

But the ones that i can, its such an improvement. Especaily in the small details.

Some games look good with 2x but if i didnt have to settle, i wouldnt be. DSR is very hard on our GPUs but the feature is so good i am already thinking of my next upgrade. A mpre powerful GPU when they finally get here. I will be waiting for AMD to launch but i am already wanting more graphics powet. Darn DSR!!!!!

Happy to hear this feature works so well for you. This is one of the biggest features I was looking forward to since I still want to use a 1080p screen.

 

[sxr7171]

Downsampling always had a massive performance hit, nearly equal or sometimes slightly more than actually running at that high resolution.

I don't think 660 ti class can handle FC3 on maxed settings at 3840 x 2100 and run well. So something isn't right.

A single 970/980 isn't enough to handle 4K res.

Yeah even FC3 on a 980GTX cannot be done at that res. We need more powerful hardware.

 

[blake0812]

Dead Space looks absolutely amazing with it.