nvidia driver frame latency issues

[boxleitnerb]

Is this news to you? HD7970GE handily GTX680 in most of those games regarding FPS and smoothness. The FPS are so much lower on the GTX680 in those titles (except BF3 where GTX680 is close on avg), there isn't even any point in doing frame time measurements. Go check. Do you really need frame times in games like Dirt Showdown or Sleeping Dogs to know GTX680 is a slideshow under those fps? Just like I wouldn't recommend someone interested in the best BL2 or AC3 gaming experience to get a HD7970GE, I wouldn't recommend someone get a GTX680 over HD7970GE for any of the titles listed above. Heck, gamer's own experiences back this up. The first 4 titles I listed are all compute heavy and run like a pig on a 680. GTX680 chokes in Arma 2 with AA and Metro 2033 has notoriously ran much faster on AMD cards. BF3 frame times can already be found in this thread. My point is I could have picked 10 games and written a TR piece where GTX680 would have consistently exhibited inferior frame times based on my game selection.

Buy the GPU based on the games you play the most. Don't generalize that HD7970GE has worse frame times than GTX680 in 100s of games.

The 7970 GE is faster in terms of fps, yes. But you implied that Nvidia has problems with latency and/or stutter in those games.

There are plenty of games where NV cards also exhibited more stuter.

and

If you included games like Sleeping Dogs, Hitman Absolution, Sniper Elite V2, Dirt Showdown, BF3, Arma II, Metro 2033, Risen 2, etc. then we might as well have made a sweeping conclusion that all GTX600 cards suffer from frame latency time issues

General performance (and stuttering if fps are too low) has nothing to do with stutter or latency issues when according to the displayed fps, perceived performance should be okay. Because that is the core of all the stuttering discussions, not low performance in general.
I think you got that mixed up.

 

[KompuKare]

The overall hope here is that through knowledge we can garner a better experience for ourselves as gamers, because in the end no matter whose "side" you're on neither company is on "yours".

Think the bolded should be a VC&G sticky. Probably in C&O too. Or how about 'my favourite company is the one which didn't let me down the most recently'?

 

[Silverforce11]

Latency is a whole another issue that AMD has yet to address:

If AMD wanted to remove frame latency they failed miserably[...]

http://benchmark3d.com/microstutter-case-study-skyrim-exam-day



Looks like Nvidia fixed this even before you have had the chance to make your EQUALIZER thread:

310.90 drivers in BF3

313.95 drivers in BF3

Far Cry 3 310.90 drivers

Far Cry 3 313.95 drivers

https://forums.geforce.com/default/...3-95-are-fantastic-for-sli-and-multi-screens/

Looks like the range is worst, low to high has increased on the plot, so theres more deviation between frames.. but a reduction of major spikes. Right?

Need reviewers to give honest assesment of gameplay to accompany fraps, since there have been even at TR's own testing that doesnt reflect fraps results. [H] is good for this since if they notice crap gameplay for whatever reasons they will hammer it.

 

[f1sherman]

@Silverforce11

Yes... I get what you are saying(in older driver deviation is smaller when there is no deviation - loosely speaking) , but we can't say TOO much about frame deviation from FRAFS visual inpection alone.

Part of it that's indisputably objective and easy to rank are average, 1% and 0.1% numbers.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

-snip-

Your computerbase link has an odd looking screen for the 7970 vs 680.

It almost looks like some kind of texture file corruption on the 7970, the grass and much of the trees are white.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Thank goodness such an honest site like Tech Report effectively kicked off this latency issue, or otherwise the GPU companies would be slacking off on addressing these issues.

Thanks Tech Report. :thumbsup:

 

[f1sherman]

Your computerbase link has an odd looking screen for the 7970 vs 680.

It almost looks like some kind of texture file corruption on the 7970, the grass and much of the trees are white.

LOL those are ARMA 2 white AMD speckles that I had on my 4850 and 4870.
AMD really knows how to nurture a bug across several gens

Sorry... lets keep it on topic. NV frametimes ( and display latency) issues.

 

[Piroko]

Your computerbase link has an odd looking screen for the 7970 vs 680.

It almost looks like some kind of texture file corruption on the 7970, the grass and much of the trees are white.

According to the text, MSAA did that in ARMA II. If you look closer you can see that only texture borders are white, not the actual textures.

 

[ICDP]

The latency problem and stutter has affected both my GTX 680 and HD 7970 setup in quite a few games. To be honest it's quite common that I have to create custom game profiles to eliminate stutter no matter if it is Nvidia or AMD in my system.

I have to experiment with:

FPS cap
Triple buffering and vsync
Flip queue/max pre-rendered frames
etc.

I very rarely encounter a game that stutter/frame latency can't be eliminated by messing with game profiles for Nvidia or AMD. The OP is simply trying to make a point that AMD are not exclusively plagued by this problem. Most level headed and even moderately unbiased enthusiasts already know this.

 

[ICDP]

Your computerbase link has an odd looking screen for the 7970 vs 680.

It almost looks like some kind of texture file corruption on the 7970, the grass and much of the trees are white.

It was the in game MSAA that caused it. Depending on lighting conditions it got worse or better. I got it with my GTX 460 and my HD 6970 as well, so it wasn't an ATI/AMD only issue. The fix was to disable in game MSAA and use the Control Panel graphics settings to control MSAA.

I recently tried Iron front 1944 (an Arma II based game) on my HD 7970 and the issue was gone.

 

[Ferzerp]

This poster *loves* to post anecdotes as "reviews" when they are not favorable to AMD's competitors. He's a FUD spreader is all.

Take a look at his post history, literally every thread he starts is marketing material for AMD, or FUD against Intel or Nvidia. He posts absolutely nothing else, and it doesn't matter if it's accurate.

http://forums.anandtech.com/search.php?do=finduser&u=204255&starteronly=1

 

[f1sherman]

This poster *loves* to post anecdotes as "reviews" when they are not favorable to AMD's competitors. He's a FUD spreader is all.

Take a look at his post history, literally every thread he starts is marketing material for AMD, or FUD against Intel or Nvidia. He posts absolutely nothing else, and it doesn't matter if it's accurate.

http://forums.anandtech.com/search.php?do=finduser&u=204255&starteronly=1

AMD Fusion and GPGPU killer app
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GloFo claims technology edge over Intel
The REALEST AMD Vs. Intel Comparison Video Ever Made

nvidia driver frame latency issues
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cedar trail is a mutt
Is IntEl's 22nm and ivy bridge a colossal failure?
Intel’s Clover Trail is a bloated nightmare
Why does intel suck?

Sorry, but that proves nothing...

 

[DooKey]

AMD Fusion and GPGPU killer app
AMD To Usher in Next Era of Cloud-Based Gaming
GloFo claims technology edge over Intel
The REALEST AMD Vs. Intel Comparison Video Ever Made

nvidia driver frame latency issues
nvidia rebranding begins, partial specs published
Deception; fermi's wood screws vs ivy bridge's video


cedar trail is a mutt
Is IntEl's 22nm and ivy bridge a colossal failure?
Intel’s Clover Trail is a bloated nightmare
Why does intel suck?

Sorry, but that proves nothing...

I see what you did there....

 

[Nintendesert]

Well I'm using the latest beta drivers with my 680 and I had to turn off Adaptive Vsync when I play Farcry 3 due to the stuttery mess it creates with the game. I don't notice it with the Adaptive Vsync off. So far that's the only game though I haven't played BF3 with the new drivers.

 

[Will Robinson]

This poster *loves* to post anecdotes as "reviews" when they are not favorable to AMD's competitors. He's a FUD spreader is all.

Take a look at his post history, literally every thread he starts is marketing material for AMD, or FUD against Intel or Nvidia. He posts absolutely nothing else, and it doesn't matter if it's accurate.

http://forums.anandtech.com/search.php?do=finduser&u=204255&starteronly=1

You really want to open that door....?

 

[Ferzerp]

Do you disagree that the OP does nothing but promote AMD and badmouth any competitor of AMD? The evidence is amply present. There is no door to open. The individual has crapped up the board with so much BS that the door won't stay shut even if you prop a pool table against it.

 

[chimaxi83]

Ferzerp is right, look at OP's thread history. All clearly pro AMD, anything Nvidia or Intel is negative. Kinda funny when you look at it, but it's pretty obvious.

 

[piesquared]

There should definitely also be a lot more focus on intel hardware in these tests. There are some that try to claim that intel graphics hardware is now almost equal to AMD/NV in the lower power products. That's of course discounting the abysmal state of their drivers in regards to image quality, game support and performance. With this new metric of latency emerging, that should about wipe out any inkling of intel igp's being worth consideration for anything but reading text.

 

[chimaxi83]

There should definitely also be a lot more focus on intel hardware in these tests. There are some that try to claim that intel graphics hardware is now almost equal to AMD/NV in the lower power products. That's of course discounting the abysmal state of their drivers in regards to image quality, game support and performance. With this new metric of latency emerging, that should about wipe out any inkling of intel igp's being worth consideration for anything but reading text.

Mission accomplished, Nvidia and Intel bashed in one thread :thumbsup:

 

[piesquared]

Mission accomplished, Nvidia and Intel bashed in one thread :thumbsup:

I wouldn't consider it bashing really, more of a raising awareness sort of thing. Intel's latency issues are a magnitude or more worse than either AMD or NV. Reviewers need to hold intel way more accountable than they are. There is absolutely zero effort on any reviewer to push intel to correct the junk status of their drivers. Intel wins, consumers lose. But they sure as hell do for any of the competing products. Or what.

 

[Will Robinson]

Do you disagree that the OP does nothing but promote AMD and badmouth any competitor of AMD? The evidence is amply present. There is no door to open. The individual has crapped up the board with so much BS that the door won't stay shut even if you prop a pool table against it.

and yet...silence is all I hear when the diehard NV fans that stroke each other over at ABT post in a similar fashion here....hypocrite much?
Note:I use Intel CPUs only...as they are far better than anything AMD produces.

 

[DarkKnightDude]

Well I'm using the latest beta drivers with my 680 and I had to turn off Adaptive Vsync when I play Farcry 3 due to the stuttery mess it creates with the game. I don't notice it with the Adaptive Vsync off. So far that's the only game though I haven't played BF3 with the new drivers.

To be fair, Far Cry 3 is still a mess. Only way to fix the framerate stuttering for me is have the gpu buffer setting at 1 or 2. Even then the game feels stuttery if it goes one frame under 60 fps. Seems like a game issue.

I'm glad both companies are looking into fixing their latency issues that would be otherwise ignored.

 

[wand3r3r]

Funny the NVidiots that just adamently called for an investigation into this in amd's case just happen to be to busy to demand investigation.

@Ferzerp I didn't see you whining when the NVidiots (whose post histories are blindly pro nv) start whining about latency in amd's cards immediately starting claiming their 'master' company won.

To be fair more investigation is needed, just like for amd.

 

[lavaheadache]

To be fair, Far Cry 3 is still a mess. Only way to fix the framerate stuttering for me is have the gpu buffer setting at 1 or 2. Even then the game feels stuttery if it goes one frame under 60 fps. Seems like a game issue.

I'm glad both companies are looking into fixing their latency issues that would be otherwise ignored.

I gave up on fixing Far cry 3 and just decided to lower my setting to make sure I could push 60 fps at all times and run a frame cap to keep it there, nice and smooth. FYi, I have to do the same thing on both my 480 and 7970 cause both exhibit very annoying stutter in that game.

 

[Obsoleet]

To be fair more investigation is needed, just like for amd.

^ This.

Even those loyal to Nvidia should not try to hide this- you can't hide a flaw forever.
And besides, there's absolutely no 'shame' in the "AMD latency debacle" because it's not a debacle.. Nvidia and Intel have latency issues as well that have yet to be fixed.

Where AMD is superior to Nvidia and Intel is that they have investigated and worked to fix their latency issues.
It remains to be seen if a full investigation on Nvidia will even be carried out (or at least carried out publicly..), or ever fixed.

Consumers can rest assured that AMD is already digging deep to fix any issues for GCN. So for me, all this has done is promote consumer confidence in AMD and with less confidence remaining in Intel and Nvidia... until a full investigation is vetted publicly online.

Get to it. Until then, you'd better stick with a Radeon.