nVidia disables PhysX when ATI card present in Win7

[HurleyBird]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr
So then tell me how we came to discuss drivers. I'll let you answer your own questions. And I'd like it if you stopped the condescending attitude, baiting, and trolling. I get it. You like ATI, I like Nvidia. Arch enemies, right? :roll:

The current driver discussion originally stemmed from your clarification of the "pure luck, happenstance!" speech after everyone misunderstood it, for whatever reason. I've never owned an ATI graphics card. From my first Geforce 2 mx to my current GTS 320 all of my cards have been Nvidia... except an old S3 ViRGE

To be honest if I had sprung for the 640 version back in the day I'd probably be waiting for GT300 to see how it performs instead of being about to jump onto the evergreen bandwagon.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: HurleyBird

Originally posted by: Keysplayr
So then tell me how we came to discuss drivers. I'll let you answer your own questions. And I'd like it if you stopped the condescending attitude, baiting, and trolling. I get it. You like ATI, I like Nvidia. Arch enemies, right? :roll:

The current driver discussion originally stemmed from your clarification of the "pure luck, happenstance!" speech after everyone misunderstood it, for whatever reason. I've never owned an ATI graphics card. From my first Geforce 2 mx to my current GTS 320 all of my cards have been Nvidia... except an old S3 ViRGE

To be honest if I had sprung for the 640 version back in the day I'd probably be waiting for GT300 to see how it performs instead of being about to jump onto the evergreen bandwagon.

"How is disabling features any kind of solution when the problem is the basic fact that the computer has multiple graphics drivers. BFG and I are waiting for the answer... "

Disabling this feature was explained by that Nvidia reps email.

As for my previous response to BFG:

"No two PC's are the same. Even when cloned and identical hardware. The hardware isn't exactly the same. And stop making it sound like I'm saying this is the ONLY reason Nvidia disabled PhysX. I have said quite a few times that it was a business decision IMHO.
LUCK was perhaps the wrong adjective. What would be a proper term for this? Touch and go? 50/50? Flip a Coin?"

I suppose a PhysX dedicated GPU was designed to work best, or most compatable with an Nvidia GPU as the primary renderer. Nvidia supports that. And now, for their reasons given, do not support it when an ATI GPU is the primary renderer. Thilan has demonstrated that the ATI + NV PHysX combo does not always work. Some instances it does, and then all of a sudden doesn't. I'm pretty sure he is not the only one that ran into this. That in itself shows that there is not full compatability with that setup.

SSchevy says he had zero problems and everything ran flawlessly.
Look around the web and you'll find various instances of this setup working perfectly and others where users have had issues. What I don't understand is this. In the past, there have been literally dozens of threads where people have issues where ATI and NV drivers are both on the same system. Was that all BS? or has that all cleared up overnight now that NV disabled PhysX? You see where I am going with this? Inconsistency is huge.

 

[BenSkywalker]

I did watch the video. But that does not tell me if the original (pre-PhysX enhancements) BAA had the cloth, fog, paper, etc.

Cloth(banners) and fog are not present in the console version, the papers are a static texture on the ground. The banners actually don't make any sense at all in the game, but they seem to be becoming staples of physics in general.

There is content that was clearly added explicitly for PhysX in this game. I'm sure nV paid for it, but given their current on hand cash they can do that for every major game release for a long, long time if they want to.

No, of course not. To your credit you said early on that this might be a business decision, and that it seemed like a bad one if that were true.

On tech forums it may seem like a bad choice, reading the gaming forums it doesn't look like it. While the ATi faithful have been thrilled with this generation, nV has still managed to outsell them by 2:1. I'm not saying it is just due to PhysX, but it does seem the typical gamer is finding it more of an issue then the typical tech enthusiast.

 

[SSChevy2001]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr
SSchevy says he had zero problems and everything ran flawlessly.

Here's some SS with BAA with PhysX High on my HD4870 + 8800GTS 512.

http://3mb.us/images/390_BAA_1.jpg
http://3mb.us/images/862_BAA_2.jpg
http://3mb.us/images/265_BAA_3.jpg
http://3mb.us/images/760_BAA_4.jpg
http://3mb.us/images/526_BAA_5.jpg
http://3mb.us/images/316_BAA_6.jpg

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

I did watch the video. But that does not tell me if the original (pre-PhysX enhancements) BAA had the cloth, fog, paper, etc.

Cloth(banners) and fog are not present in the console version, the papers are a static texture on the ground. The banners actually don't make any sense at all in the game, but they seem to be becoming staples of physics in general.

There is content that was clearly added explicitly for PhysX in this game. I'm sure nV paid for it, but given their current on hand cash they can do that for every major game release for a long, long time if they want to.

No, of course not. To your credit you said early on that this might be a business decision, and that it seemed like a bad one if that were true.

On tech forums it may seem like a bad choice, reading the gaming forums it doesn't look like it. While the ATi faithful have been thrilled with this generation, nV has still managed to outsell them by 2:1. I'm not saying it is just due to PhysX, but it does seem the typical gamer is finding it more of an issue then the typical tech enthusiast.

That is "sort" of what I was thinking as well. I really don't think this decision had been made hastily. Some had mentioned Nvidia will lose customers, but I wondered who those customers would be. That 2:1 ratio comes to mind. Nvidia wouldn't lose their current customer base, and may actually gain some of that 1/3rd if PhysX can't be run with ATI cards present. Unless they stick to the 180 drivers forever. Another game emerged for PhysX, and there will be more. You're right. In a technical forum, this decision will be brought under scrutiny, but not so sure casual gamers would take not having PhysX lightly. It does remain to be seen. I guess Nvidia/ATI market share will tell the tale in the coming year.

 

[dadach]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr


that is my point...they disabled it, yet people will not miss anything by it...it is funny as hell...and i am not angry at all, but i am just laughing my ass of at the idiots at nvidia

So you're speaking for everybody then.. Were you elected their spokesperson? And I'm glad you're not angry. It sure shows.

now if it was some important feature, i might be annoyed, but for all important features ati works without any trouble

Ah, those important features. How could I forget those. Ummm... what were they again?

also i did not see you answer my question about physx games that came out lately which would make this nvidia move a bit more not hilarious

I guess BAA would be the latest inception of PhysX games. Whether it's hilarious or not is up to you. You speak for the masses, some sort of election I missed. What do you think?

so physx support is still MIA...shame, after so many years have gone by...ccc

but im sure pretty soon i will be angry i cannot pair an nvidia card for physx with ati under windows...right keys?...RIGHT!?

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr
I suppose a PhysX dedicated GPU was designed to work best, or most compatable with an Nvidia GPU as the primary renderer. Nvidia supports that. And now, for their reasons given, do not support it when an ATI GPU is the primary renderer. Thilan has demonstrated that the ATI + NV PHysX combo does not always work. Some instances it does, and then all of a sudden doesn't. I'm pretty sure he is not the only one that ran into this. That in itself shows that there is not full compatability with that setup.

It depends on how you look at it. What I think this shows is Windows 7 is functioning as it should by allowing two different graphics drivers to co-exist peacefully on the same PC, but that since the OS is still in pre-release form (except for those with RTM access) it doesn't always work 100%. It's not really very unusual for a pre-release version of Windows (or any software) to have some bugs.

Given the fact that many major game releases that involve a new engine often result in a new driver from both NV and ATI, it's clear that drivers are a continuous 'work-in-progress'. So, basically NVIDIA is either removing functionality in an attempt to gain lock in or is not willing to put forth the development effort. It really doesn't matter what the reason is, either way NV is shortchanging their customers by removing functionality that is implicit to any OS that allows multiple graphics drivers to operate simultaneously.

 

[v8envy]

As a current Nvidia product owner (and also someone who doesn't give a !$#!@$ about PhysX) I can tell you this move has influenced my future purchasing decision. And not in the way NVidia hopes.

We've seen this before when NV demanded customers decide between SLI and a rock solid Intel chipset. We all know how that turned out. Now they're at it again, with an even more marginal feature. But what do I know, I don't make the big bucks for driving companies into tar pits.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: dadach

Originally posted by: Keysplayr


that is my point...they disabled it, yet people will not miss anything by it...it is funny as hell...and i am not angry at all, but i am just laughing my ass of at the idiots at nvidia

So you're speaking for everybody then.. Were you elected their spokesperson? And I'm glad you're not angry. It sure shows.

now if it was some important feature, i might be annoyed, but for all important features ati works without any trouble

Ah, those important features. How could I forget those. Ummm... what were they again?

also i did not see you answer my question about physx games that came out lately which would make this nvidia move a bit more not hilarious

I guess BAA would be the latest inception of PhysX games. Whether it's hilarious or not is up to you. You speak for the masses, some sort of election I missed. What do you think?

so physx support is still MIA...shame, after so many years have gone by...ccc

but im sure pretty soon i will be angry i cannot pair an nvidia card for physx with ati under windows...right keys?...RIGHT!?

Exactly right dadach.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Ummm. Folks who kept saying that PhysX is not worth anything, useless, checkbox feature etc. etc. are bothered by this because........?

Hehe, it's only when they "can't" have something that they are bothered by it.

actually I learned that I could have my 8800gts run as a physix processor and run my 4890 for video from you. But let them play their little game I'm sure they don't really care about me.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
actually I learned that I could have my 8800gts run as a physix processor and run my 4890 for video from you. But let them play their little game I'm sure they don't really care about me.

My concern is the precedence this sets. What's next? NVIDIA disables their video driver when it detects a Lucid Hydra chip on the motherboard because the Hydra chip "injects itself between the application's API calls and the NVIDIA hardware, which NVIDIA does not support"?

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
While the ATi faithful have been thrilled with this generation, nV has still managed to outsell them by 2:1. I'm not saying it is just due to PhysX, but it does seem the typical gamer is finding it more of an issue then the typical tech enthusiast.

That is for ALL discrete cards. IIRC ATI gained ground in the mid-high/high end parts which I'm guessing is something like the 4870 512mb and above? There was a link posted to I think JPD which said they gained in the upper end of discrete cards.

Now considering that something like Cryostasis sometimes slows to a crawl with even a GTX285, the marketshare nV gained may not even be able to play PhysX games with comfortable fps. Of course if a whole load of people bought low end cards to supplement their primary GPU just for PhysX you could be right with your 2nd point.

 

[BFG10K]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

I'm not playing this game BFG. You're a smart guy. You know what I am talking about. No two PC's are the same. Even when cloned and identical hardware. The hardware isn't exactly the same. And stop making it sound like I'm saying this is the ONLY reason Nvidia disabled PhysX.

Fine, but whatever term you give it, it doesn?t change the fact that XP did it and Windows 7 had its display driver model specifically updated for said purpose. Clearly Microsoft doesn?t think it?s the crapshoot you claim it is.

I have said quite a few times that it was a business decision IMHO.

Sure, but I?m not convinced how that would help nVidia?s support requirements.

Scenario 1: PhysX is enabled unofficially, but doesn?t work properly in game X. Customer contacts nVidia. nVidia to customer ?we don?t support that, so we can?t help?.

Scenario 2: PhysX can?t be enabled at all. Customer contacts nVidia. nVidia to customer ?we don?t support that, so we can?t help?.

It seems to me the answer in both cases is the same. The business decision here appears to be from the angle to force people to only use nVidia cards, which is what people take issue with because this was artificially introduced.

Again, should PhysX stop working on my GTX285 because I have a GMA?

 

[mmnno]

Originally posted by: SirPauly

Originally posted by: mmnno

Originally posted by: SirPauly
The only problem I have is how quick some are to blanket this as just anti-consumer -- yet, it seems, many disregard the resource/benefit point where data is lacking. The technical connections and collaboration point seems to be simply mocked and dismissed by many. And, ATI doesn't lift a finger and yet nothing seems to be pointed in this direction - dismissed by many.

Point finger -- be judge -- executioner - limited data.......hey, this sounds like forums, hehe!

There are blame pies to me in many layered decisions and I think this is one of them. There is blame to go around. It's a lose-lose situation for nVidia in some mind-sets. It may be a combination of support, cost, developer, assurance and some leverage, too.

It was going to be tough going in my mind-set for ATI and nVidia to co-exist unless there is some type of agreement or team-work. Sadly, this isn't the case and even more division when it comes to PhysX and for some gamers is the consequence.

It sucks; it would be nice to see as many gamers and platforms have the choice to have more GPU dynamic gaming at this time, but the decision was made and nVidia decided what is best for their platform considering they have all the accountability and risk.

One can try to make an attempt to understand or point fingers.

It's anti-consumer. It used to work, and an explicit, intentional change was made to render it unusable. It did not become unsupported, they just removed a previously existing capability. Do not even try to fudge that.

It may be anti-consumer or it may be for the consumers benefit.

If nVidia disabled this and there was no added costs for offering a "good" experience for current and future PhysX applications - then I would agree.

If nVidia disabled this and there were added costs for offering a "good" experience for current and future PhysX applications -- then I may disagree.

What is the fine line where the cost/benefit ratio may be too high?

You seem to have the answers -- what are they? Probably doesn't matter at all to some-- just that it worked and now it doesn't -- case closed.

Personally desire answers for many questions posed -- anyone can offer sweeping blanket views - heck the forums are littered with judges and executioners. Heck, things are just black and white -- right or wrong in a world of shades of gray and levels of blame for many.

There's your answer. It worked fine at the time. It didn't break, it was just blocked. Not a change directed at hardware capability, just a change directed at consumer utility. No grey, no white no black, no dimensions. Exactly as advertised.

 

[reallyscrued]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
Coming back to my example: is it reasonable for PhysX to be disabled on my GTX285 because my system also has a GMA?

That totally blows.

For me, basically all of this equals = Still using XP over Win7. Holy hell, if I grab a cheap nVidia card, I'll have to dual boot. Son of a bitch.

Keys: I really wish you stop getting nVidia cards for free. Reading your replies, I feel like it's made you unbelievably biased. Pretty nice parallel to how lobbyists run our politicians; I guess we can all rejoice in the fact that you don't really have any power...and whatever your opinion may be, it's only yours and whoever is gullible enough to drink from your batch of Kool-Aid.

I've run multiGPU systems for a long time (Diff manufacturers, tri-displays without a godforsaken parahelia card). There's no tricks to getting it to work.

Nvidia found a way to hit ATI below the belt, and that's basically it. I don't really know how you can defend this, there has been discrete physx cards before, it's perfectly within nVidia's power to release a driver that will use it as just that.

I'm very interested to know what Microsoft's take is on all this. It was my understanding they went through some considerable effort to get mixed GPUs working on their operating systems after Vista. Nvidia seems to be taking the only real reason gamers would want mixed GPUs in their machines.

Even if all is lost though...anyone consider hacked drivers may emerge?

 

[dadach]

Originally posted by: reallyscrued


Keys: I really wish you stop getting nVidia cards for free. Reading your replies, I feel like it's made you unbelievably biased.

well it is his job to promote nvidia...what do you expect from him...objectivity on this matter?...he would be then spitting in the plate he eats from, biting the hand that feeds him, etc...

 

[reallyscrued]

How about just keeping quiet on the matter?

Then maybe AT wouldn't feel the need to give him a beat down, kick his ass, ...smack a ho, etc.

 

[BFG10K]

Originally posted by: reallyscrued

That totally blows.

Please don?t misunderstand what I?m saying. I?m not saying it has happened (I can still control PhysX), I?m just asking hypothetically that if it happened, would anyone think it was acceptable?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: reallyscrued

Originally posted by: BFG10K
Coming back to my example: is it reasonable for PhysX to be disabled on my GTX285 because my system also has a GMA?

That totally blows.

That would totally blow, if it were true. BFG was only offering a hypothetical situation.

For me, basically all of this equals = Still using XP over Win7. Holy hell, if I grab a cheap nVidia card, I'll have to dual boot. Son of a bitch.

You can do that. Or, you can buy a higher end Nvidia card and not have to.


Keys: I really wish you stop getting nVidia cards for free. Reading your replies, I feel like it's made you unbelievably biased. Pretty nice parallel to how lobbyists run our politicians; I guess we can all rejoice in the fact that you don't really have any power...and whatever your opinion may be, it's only yours and whoever is gullible enough to drink from your batch of Kool-Aid.

It's only this topic I have felt this strongly about in a long while. PhysX has been downplayed to the fullest extent by AMD/ATI and it's loyal fanbase since Nvidia announced it's purchase of Ageia PhysX. Accused of cheating in 3DMark Vantage by AMD/ATI, and even the UT3 PhysX pack offered by Epic games. Originally released for use with the Ageia PPU (and by the way, nobody complained or batted an eye for that UNTIL it was made to run on Nvidia GPUs). I believe Nvidia has taken away AMD/ATI's free PhysX ride.

I've run multiGPU systems for a long time (Diff manufacturers, tri-displays without a godforsaken parahelia card). There's no tricks to getting it to work.

For you. I believe it. There are so many others singing a different tune. Like I said, no two systems are the same. Ever.

Nvidia found a way to hit ATI below the belt, and that's basically it. I don't really know how you can defend this, there has been discrete physx cards before, it's perfectly within nVidia's power to release a driver that will use it as just that.

Speaking of hitting below the belt:
http://www.tomshardware.com/ne...vers-physics,5758.html

It's been done by both sides since the beginning. Nothing new there.

I'm very interested to know what Microsoft's take is on all this. It was my understanding they went through some considerable effort to get mixed GPUs working on their operating systems after Vista. Nvidia seems to be taking the only real reason gamers would want mixed GPUs in their machines.

Now it's a real reason? See, this is why I get annoyed and piping up here more than ususal.

Did Microsoft go through this considerable effort to get mixed GPUs working on their OS after Vista just for PhysX sake? Or was it just two different GPU's with different drivers?

Even if all is lost though...anyone consider hacked drivers may emerge?

I believe we will see hacked drivers, and probably find rumors that it was AMD/ATI backed/assisted. If only AMD/ATI put a little assistance to that guy at NGOHQ a while back, we may never have needed to have this discussion. Who knows.

"How about just keeping quiet on the matter?

Then maybe AT wouldn't feel the need to give him a beat down, kick his ass, ...smack a ho, etc."

BS. Asking me to keep quiet on the matter because.........? You don't like what I have to say? And it's only a select few folks in here to ever attempt beating me down, and kick my ass, smack a ho...... :disgust:

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: dadach

Originally posted by: reallyscrued


Keys: I really wish you stop getting nVidia cards for free. Reading your replies, I feel like it's made you unbelievably biased.

well it is his job to promote nvidia...what do you expect from him...objectivity on this matter?...he would be then spitting in the plate he eats from, biting the hand that feeds him, etc...

Heh, you ALWAYS resort to this childish stuff in the end.
It's not my job dudes, you all know this by now. Nvidia does not put food on my table, nor do they give me nearly as many GPU's as you believe. In my home, I have 7 PC's not including lappys. 2 out of those five rigs have GPU's in them from Nvidia. The rest of the rigs have GPU's I have purchased myself ranging from 8600GT to GTX275. At any rate, this really shouldn't matter to you, but you just keep making sure that it does. Stay Frosty.

So, you need to cut this shit out, now. It's pathetic. You are the last person to cry "objectivity". You have seen the past posts I have dug up from you regarding PhysX. Not you're crying that you can't have it the way you want it. I sympathize with those who really did appreciate what PhysX was and had an open mind about it back when, and tried an Nvidia GPU as a dedicated PhysX card. For them, I feel bad for. But for the others who repeatedly and relentlessly downplayed PhysX, called it a useless checkbox feature, "I'm not impressed" when content was clearly impressive, I don't have as much sympathy for now that complaints are arising from those very same folks.

@ reallyscrued: IMHO, those are the people who should "keep quiet on the matter".. those who thought PhysX sucked, or downplayed it. It should not matter that it is no longer available to them if it was such bullsh*t before. Get me?

I speak my mind about Nvidia's products because I really truly feel that Nvidia has much more to offer. They push technology, as a technology company should. They don't sit on their asses and let the world go by without them. They are always pushing and creating more and more things for gamers to get excited about. And not just gamers.

 

[SirPauly]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Originally posted by: reallyscrued

That totally blows.

Please don?t misunderstand what I?m saying. I?m not saying it has happened (I can still control PhysX), I?m just asking hypothetically that if it happened, would anyone think it was acceptable?

All Imho,

I think it sucks either way and a lose-lose situation for many based on they can't offer PhsyX GPU content unless they only use nVidia as their platform of choice. I suppose it may suck worse if nVidia stopped offering the PhysX Discrete choice just to lock out ATI.

Personally try to understand with such limited data and very difficult. Maybe Keys can contact nVidia and hopefully nVidia may expand on what has been offered for more data and clarity considering this poster has the ear of nVidia so-to-speak.

Still believe it may be difficult for ATI and nVidia to co-exist without agreements and some team work over-all. Personally try to understand why ATI doesn't, and one may look at this example in a way. If ATI does work with nVidia and offers GPU PhysX through Cuda -- what happens if nVidia changes the rules considering they control Cuda? It may be unwise to invest resources in something when your competitor may have a different strategy or agenda. It may of made sense to promote Havok because they're still promoting CPU and at lesser levels the hope of GPU for the future when the timing is right. AMD is still a CPU company and not just a GPU company.

AMD, to me, has an agenda or strategy of promoting a balance of sorts from the CPU/GPU and a total AMD platform; to offer the tools combined to offer the most value for a prospective customer. Ideas and strategies that make the most sense for them as a company.

Intel, nVida and AMD -- it's all political to me and sadly, consumers at times are sacrificed so-to-speak and demand "ideal" or this is black and white when decisions are made in shades of gray.

 

[dadach]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: dadach

Originally posted by: reallyscrued


Keys: I really wish you stop getting nVidia cards for free. Reading your replies, I feel like it's made you unbelievably biased.

well it is his job to promote nvidia...what do you expect from him...objectivity on this matter?...he would be then spitting in the plate he eats from, biting the hand that feeds him, etc...

Heh, you ALWAYS resort to this childish stuff in the end.
It's not my job dudes, you all know this by now. Nvidia does not put food on my table, nor do they give me nearly as many GPU's as you believe. In my home, I have 7 PC's not including lappys. 2 out of those five rigs have GPU's in them from Nvidia. The rest of the rigs have GPU's I have purchased myself ranging from 8600GT to GTX275. At any rate, this really shouldn't matter to you, but you just keep making sure that it does. Stay Frosty.

So, you need to cut this shit out, now. It's pathetic. You are the last person to cry "objectivity". You have seen the past posts I have dug up from you regarding PhysX. Not you're crying that you can't have it the way you want it. I sympathize with those who really did appreciate what PhysX was and had an open mind about it back when, and tried an Nvidia GPU as a dedicated PhysX card. For them, I feel bad for. But for the others who repeatedly and relentlessly downplayed PhysX, called it a useless checkbox feature, "I'm not impressed" when content was clearly impressive, I don't have as much sympathy for now that complaints are arising from those very same folks.

@ reallyscrued: IMHO, those are the people who should "keep quiet on the matter".. those who thought PhysX sucked, or downplayed it. It should not matter that it is no longer available to them if it was such bullsh*t before. Get me?

I speak my mind about Nvidia's products because I really truly feel that Nvidia has much more to offer. They push technology, as a technology company should. They don't sit on their asses and let the world go by without them. They are always pushing and creating more and more things for gamers to get excited about. And not just gamers.

well you call it childish when it doesnt fit you, i call it logical that you will try to defend nvidia by any means possible, since they are the ones providing you the latest hardware that is otherwise expensive as hell if one wants to keep up...

again, i am not mad at nvidia for disabling this when mixing the card, but i am truly ridiculing it about the usefulness of physx, like i did in those posts you dug up, and even then you failed to prove that i was wrong about it...way more people think that the feature is meh, than the others for whom that would be a decider to purchase nvidia...

"clearly impressive"???...yeah right

and i dont even want to start on the fact that if one wants to have a full benefit it still has to run 2 nvidia cards...one for 3d and one for physx which is even more ridiculous

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: dadach

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: dadach

Originally posted by: reallyscrued


Keys: I really wish you stop getting nVidia cards for free. Reading your replies, I feel like it's made you unbelievably biased.

well it is his job to promote nvidia...what do you expect from him...objectivity on this matter?...he would be then spitting in the plate he eats from, biting the hand that feeds him, etc...

Heh, you ALWAYS resort to this childish stuff in the end.
It's not my job dudes, you all know this by now. Nvidia does not put food on my table, nor do they give me nearly as many GPU's as you believe. In my home, I have 7 PC's not including lappys. 2 out of those five rigs have GPU's in them from Nvidia. The rest of the rigs have GPU's I have purchased myself ranging from 8600GT to GTX275. At any rate, this really shouldn't matter to you, but you just keep making sure that it does. Stay Frosty.

So, you need to cut this shit out, now. It's pathetic. You are the last person to cry "objectivity". You have seen the past posts I have dug up from you regarding PhysX. Not you're crying that you can't have it the way you want it. I sympathize with those who really did appreciate what PhysX was and had an open mind about it back when, and tried an Nvidia GPU as a dedicated PhysX card. For them, I feel bad for. But for the others who repeatedly and relentlessly downplayed PhysX, called it a useless checkbox feature, "I'm not impressed" when content was clearly impressive, I don't have as much sympathy for now that complaints are arising from those very same folks.

@ reallyscrued: IMHO, those are the people who should "keep quiet on the matter".. those who thought PhysX sucked, or downplayed it. It should not matter that it is no longer available to them if it was such bullsh*t before. Get me?

I speak my mind about Nvidia's products because I really truly feel that Nvidia has much more to offer. They push technology, as a technology company should. They don't sit on their asses and let the world go by without them. They are always pushing and creating more and more things for gamers to get excited about. And not just gamers.

well you call it childish when it doesnt fit you, i call it logical that you will try to defend nvidia by any means possible, since they are the ones providing you the latest hardware that is otherwise expensive as hell if one wants to keep up...

It's childish anytime dude. And it's something you always seem to need to fall back to.

again, i am not mad at nvidia for disabling this when mixing the card, but i am truly ridiculing it about the usefulness of physx, like i did in those posts you dug up, and even then you failed to prove that i was wrong about it...way more people think that the feature is meh, than the others for whom that would be a decider to purchase nvidia...

The point of the posts dug up was never intended to prove you right or wrong, dadach. It was to show your stance on PhysX over the last year (give or take). And how it makes no sense for you to complain about it now. Just like now. You question the usefullness of PhysX. So what are we talking about here then? You feel it is useless, but have a problem now that you can't use it? A little contradictory and confusing to others, wouldn't you say?

"clearly impressive"???...yeah right

I think it is. And you don't. Difference of opinion. I'm really not shocked.

and i dont even want to start on the fact that if one wants to have a full benefit it still has to run 2 nvidia cards...one for 3d and one for physx which is even more ridiculous
You can't even "start" on it because only one Nvidia card (G80 or better) is required to use PhysX. Your statement is false. Why would you think you need two or even three? Of course it does depend on how powerful a GPU you have, similar to any candy option in a games graphic menu. You didn't think it was ridiculous to have one ATI card and one NV physX GPU (well, at least not until after it was disabled). And probably don't think it even more ridiculous to have a NV physX card in a Crossfire system. Am I off base on this one? Or does the old double standard apply here. This is really too easy dadach. You accuse me of using any means possible to defend Nvidia, and then you come up with gems like this on your own.
:roll:

 

[dadach]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: dadach

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: dadach

Originally posted by: reallyscrued


Keys: I really wish you stop getting nVidia cards for free. Reading your replies, I feel like it's made you unbelievably biased.

well it is his job to promote nvidia...what do you expect from him...objectivity on this matter?...he would be then spitting in the plate he eats from, biting the hand that feeds him, etc...

Heh, you ALWAYS resort to this childish stuff in the end.
It's not my job dudes, you all know this by now. Nvidia does not put food on my table, nor do they give me nearly as many GPU's as you believe. In my home, I have 7 PC's not including lappys. 2 out of those five rigs have GPU's in them from Nvidia. The rest of the rigs have GPU's I have purchased myself ranging from 8600GT to GTX275. At any rate, this really shouldn't matter to you, but you just keep making sure that it does. Stay Frosty.

So, you need to cut this shit out, now. It's pathetic. You are the last person to cry "objectivity". You have seen the past posts I have dug up from you regarding PhysX. Not you're crying that you can't have it the way you want it. I sympathize with those who really did appreciate what PhysX was and had an open mind about it back when, and tried an Nvidia GPU as a dedicated PhysX card. For them, I feel bad for. But for the others who repeatedly and relentlessly downplayed PhysX, called it a useless checkbox feature, "I'm not impressed" when content was clearly impressive, I don't have as much sympathy for now that complaints are arising from those very same folks.

@ reallyscrued: IMHO, those are the people who should "keep quiet on the matter".. those who thought PhysX sucked, or downplayed it. It should not matter that it is no longer available to them if it was such bullsh*t before. Get me?

I speak my mind about Nvidia's products because I really truly feel that Nvidia has much more to offer. They push technology, as a technology company should. They don't sit on their asses and let the world go by without them. They are always pushing and creating more and more things for gamers to get excited about. And not just gamers.

well you call it childish when it doesnt fit you, i call it logical that you will try to defend nvidia by any means possible, since they are the ones providing you the latest hardware that is otherwise expensive as hell if one wants to keep up...

It's childish anytime dude. And it's something you always seem to need to fall back to.

even others noticed it, not just me...so...

again, i am not mad at nvidia for disabling this when mixing the card, but i am truly ridiculing it about the usefulness of physx, like i did in those posts you dug up, and even then you failed to prove that i was wrong about it...way more people think that the feature is meh, than the others for whom that would be a decider to purchase nvidia...

The point of the posts dug up was never intended to prove you right or wrong, dadach. It was to show your stance on PhysX over the last year (give or take). And how it makes no sense for you to complain about it now. Just like now. You question the usefullness of PhysX. So what are we talking about here then? You feel it is useless, but have a problem now that you can't use it? A little contradictory and confusing to others, wouldn't you say?

like i said...im really not complainig, but rather making fun of...surely you can tell the difference


"clearly impressive"???...yeah right

I think it is. And you don't. Difference of opinion. I'm really not shocked.

and i dont even want to start on the fact that if one wants to have a full benefit it still has to run 2 nvidia cards...one for 3d and one for physx which is even more ridiculous
You can't even "start" on it because only one Nvidia card (G80 or better) is required to use PhysX. Your statement is false. Why would you think you need two or even three? Of course it does depend on how powerful a GPU you have, similar to any candy option in a games graphic menu. You didn't think it was ridiculous to have one ATI card and one NV physX GPU (well, at least not until after it was disabled). And probably don't think it even more ridiculous to have a NV physX card in a Crossfire system. Am I off base on this one? Or does the old double standard apply here. This is really too easy dadach. You accuse me of using any means possible to defend Nvidia, and then you come up with gems like this on your own.
:roll:

i said full benefit...max physx performance...to get that one needs 2 nvidia cards...unless you all of the sudden feel like physx is not important enough to run it at the best performance possible?

 

[solofly]

Originally posted by: dadach

Originally posted by: reallyscrued


Keys: I really wish you stop getting nVidia cards for free. Reading your replies, I feel like it's made you unbelievably biased.

well it is his job to promote nvidia...what do you expect from him...objectivity on this matter?...he would be then spitting in the plate he eats from, biting the hand that feeds him, etc...

For everyone else let me give you a better picture of what he's saying...

Member of Nvidia Focus Group = Nvidia's Marketing Tool