Nvidia cuts out reviewers for the GTS250

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
Some one's drank too much of the green Kool Aid.

More like chugged it.

If HoCP agreed to bench something they should. The only thing I don't like is when a company tells exactly which games to bench...when they do that they're obviously hiding something or haven't gotten to optimize for certain games...which is irrelevant IMO.

it seems to me, even that is minimized IF a responsible reviewer will say just that - full disclosure - that they are told exactly which games to benchmark by the vendor
- soon as the NDA expires, publish the rest of the testing
-- credibility is maintained and the readers have a preview; limited or not

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: chizow
Rofl, if given the choice, why drink anything but the best? :beer:

Just don't get drunk off it...you don't always see clearly when you do.

Originally posted by: apoppin
it seems to me, even that is minimized IF a responsible reviewer will say just that - full disclosure - that they are told exactly which games to benchmark by the vendor
- soon as the NDA expires, publish the rest of the testing
-- credibility is maintained and the readers have a preview; limited or not

That's true I didn't think of it like that.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

hey chizow, why do you defend nvidia so much? just curious

 

[apoppin]

Nvidia doesn't really need any defense

they are a pretty awesome company .. and are a "preference" for many HW enthusiasts
.. kinda Like AMD and Intel also have their supporters

 

[error8]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
hey chizow, why do you defend nvidia so much? just curious

Yes, I've noticed that too. Chizow is "orientated" towards Nvidia for sometime. :laugh:

 

[garritynet]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
hey chizow, why do you defend nvidia so much? just curious

If I had to guess I would say its because its he thinks everyone is over reacting and because internet discussion can be fun. Thats just what I get from his comments. It dose not seem to me that he is a fanboi.

 

[ronnn]

Tough times for nvidia. Ati gets raves after a puff preview using a zalman cooler (likely worth more than the card). Nvidia gets a bitten hand from kyle of all unlikely sources. Now every reviewer will have to justify in writing why they think this is a new card. Kind of takes away the shine.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
hey chizow, why do you defend nvidia so much? just curious

:roll:


And noone on this board defends ATi. :laugh:

If you want an ATi echo-chamber, I can direct you to a site. Healthy debate is good, and is why I frequent VC&G.


Derailing a topic to discuss a specific member is against the guidelines. Attack his data, not his motives.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
hey chizow, why do you defend nvidia so much? just curious

lets not bring too much attention to this, i dont want to be the reason for locking this thread, i just want to know the answer.

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: error8

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
hey chizow, why do you defend nvidia so much? just curious

Yes, I've noticed that too. Chizow is "orientated" towards Nvidia for sometime. :laugh:

Do you think we have another Rollo? lol

 

[BFG10K]

I can see the first stages of derailment happening here.

It'd be a good idea for all parties involved to stick to legitimate arguments about the topic at hand, as opposed to trying to figure out who drinks Kool Aid.

Video Mod BFG10K.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
hey chizow, why do you defend nvidia so much? just curious

Typical, why does it always come down to "I dun liek wut u haz say, u r werkin for Nvirdia!!!!" for some people? I don't work for Nvidia and never have. No direct ties to them and I'm not directly vested in them. I pay for all of my PC hardware with my own money and I would never make a suggestion or purchasing decision I wouldn't make with my own money.

As an enthusiast and a long-time PC gamer, I prefer their graphics cards because they have consistently provided the best solutions for my needs. This is further reinforced by their overall corporate strategy and culture where they are constantly pushing the envelope, not only with their graphics hardware but also demonstrated by their support for enthuasiast's needs and gaming companies through TWIMTBP. Their efforts are demonstrated by recent innovations with PhysX and 3D Vision when it comes to gaming; CUDA, Ion, Tegra showing their ability to diversify and innovate.

As for why I seem to defend Nvidia, of course I'm going to contest or refute blatant misinformation or questionable opinions that I don't agree with, especially when it comes to products that I enjoy on a daily basis. I'd expect anyone to do the same if they didn't agree with something I wrote, but of course there's no need to take it as anything more than that.

If you can't find fault with what I'm saying on the merits of what's actually being said, and need to resort to ad hominem or accusations that my comments are motivated strictly by some association to Nvidia, you've already lost the argument. But this is par for the course on these forums where "ATI fanbois" constantly resort to personal attacks and baseless accusations against "Nvidia fanbois" where the focus isn't on the topic, its limited to petty accusations about shilling or employment. Not surprisingly, its usually the same idiots hurling the accusations.

That being said, I absolutely stand by anything I've said in some of the "controversial" threads throughout the years. I'm not always going to be right, but if I was afraid of being wrong I'd never take a stand on anything. Some recent examples where many may have felt I was being "biased" or influenced as a "paid employee" might be with regard to multi-GPU support and drivers and the 512MB hurting the 4870 at launch compared to cards with more frame buffer. Controversial at the time? Sure, but in hindsight those words ring prophetic.

/endsoapbox

I'd serve up some orange kool-aid but apparently no one likes it. :beer:

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
hey chizow, why do you defend nvidia so much? just curious

That should be pm material if you are truly interested in the answer.

Since your question was posted in the public domain though, and the implications are quite thinly veiled, the immediate question that pops into my mind is why do you, or any of the follow-on posters to your post, care what anyone says or what their motivations might be?

My concern when I read this thread (I am the OP) is to discern between the post's whose contents are to be considered relevant versus the post's whose contents are to be deemed irrelevant. I do rely on fellow posters to critique the contents of potentially relevant posts as I am in no position to judge many of these posts owing to my own ignorance of the subject matter.

So the ongoing debate focusing on the specifics of the contents of any poster's post is viewed as value-add to me and my purpose/goal of creating this thread.

Passionate committed posters are crucial to the educational process generated in public forums, as is the open nature of critiquing the contents, this is an iterative learning process for those of us who are passively absorbing information.

Sometimes the info is wrong, that is why we keep coming back to read the posts as they are added to the thread, to update our own knowledge base on the subject matter and correct any misperceptions that may have been generated by prior posts.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: Idontcare
That should be pm material if you are truly interested in the answer.

Since your question was posted in the public domain though, and the implications are quite thinly veiled, the immediate question that pops into my mind is why do you, or any of the follow-on posters to your post, care what anyone says or what their motivations might be?

My concern when I read this thread (I am the OP) is to discern between the post's whose contents are to be considered relevant versus the post's whose contents are to be deemed irrelevant. I do rely on fellow posters to critique the contents of potentially relevant posts as I am in no position to judge many of these posts owing to my own ignorance of the subject matter.

So the ongoing debate focusing on the specifics of the contents of any poster's post is viewed as value-add to me and my purpose/goal of creating this thread.

Passionate committed posters are crucial to the educational process generated in public forums, as is the open nature of critiquing the contents, this is an iterative learning process for those of us who are passively absorbing information.

Sometimes the info is wrong, that is why we keep coming back to read the posts as they are added to the thread, to update our own knowledge base on the subject matter and correct any misperceptions that may have been generated by prior posts.

Hear, hear! :beer:

 

[mmnno]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
hey chizow, why do you defend nvidia so much? just curious

That should be pm material if you are truly interested in the answer.

Since your question was posted in the public domain though, and the implications are quite thinly veiled, the immediate question that pops into my mind is why do you, or any of the follow-on posters to your post, care what anyone says or what their motivations might be?

My concern when I read this thread (I am the OP) is to discern between the post's whose contents are to be considered relevant versus the post's whose contents are to be deemed irrelevant. I do rely on fellow posters to critique the contents of potentially relevant posts as I am in no position to judge many of these posts owing to my own ignorance of the subject matter.

So the ongoing debate focusing on the specifics of the contents of any poster's post is viewed as value-add to me and my purpose/goal of creating this thread.

Passionate committed posters are crucial to the educational process generated in public forums, as is the open nature of critiquing the contents, this is an iterative learning process for those of us who are passively absorbing information.

Sometimes the info is wrong, that is why we keep coming back to read the posts as they are added to the thread, to update our own knowledge base on the subject matter and correct any misperceptions that may have been generated by prior posts.

And that's why we have to accuse each other of bias and hypocrisy. :roll: I'll just stick to the display threads from now on, this forum is a joke.

 

[Idontcare]

Not really trying to revive this semi-dead thread, but now that AT's article is up I wanted to quote/link it for closure on the OP:

For What it's Worth

Early last week Charlie over at The Inquirer posted a story saying that a number of reviewers were cut out of the GeForce GTS 250 launch. We felt a bit hurt, by the time the story launched we weren't even asked to be briefed about the GTS 250. Cards had already gone out to other reviewers but we weren't on any lists. Oh, pout.

Magically, a couple of days after Charlie's article we got invited to a NVIDIA briefing and we had a GTS 250 to test. Perhaps NVIDIA was simply uncharacteristically late in briefing us about a new GPU launch. Perhaps NVIDIA was afraid we'd point out that it was nothing more than a 9800 GTX+ that ran a little cooler. Or perhaps we haven't been positive enough about CUDA and PhysX and NVIDIA was trying to punish us.

Who knows what went on at NVIDIA prior to the launch, we're here to review the card, but for what it's worth - thank you Charlie

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3523&p=2

Thanks Derek for taking the time to give us some of the backstory :thumbsup: