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Discussion Nvidia Blackwell in Q1-2025

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gdansk said:
Prices right now are stupid. Used 4070 Super FE selling for $850+ on eBay.
I paid $600 for one only a few months ago. I should sell it but I cannot in good conscience ever sell a GPU I have used for more than I paid for it.
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You know I appreciate you 😉 In all seriousness, this is how it should be! Tech going the otherway has to be sign of some really funky market/economic conditions.
 
Grooveriding said:
It gets much worse

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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50 Cards Spotted with Missing ROPs, NVIDIA Confirms the Issue, Multiple Vendors Affected

TechPowerUp has discovered that there are NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 graphics cards in retail circulation that come with too few render units, which lowers performance. Zotac's GeForce RTX 5090 Solid comes with fewer ROPs than it should—168 are enabled, instead of the 176 that are part of the RTX...
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Knowing Nvidia’s history of never wanting to admit fault (e.g. bumpgate), I wonder if they’ll just update the official 5090 specs on their website to show the reduced ROPS rather than work with those affected to get them replacement cards…
 
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I completely disagree with this take. By way of comparison, 5% lower performance is much more acceptable than faulty design of power delivery. We can argue the ROP situation is also too much, but it's definitely not as severe as non-zero chance to burn your cable and connectors.
 
I'm starting to wonder if those theories on all Nvidia employees having "eff you I quit" money making them sloppy and losing the hunger are in fact the truth.

What a fumble, the 5090 was the one card coming out of Blackwell that looked to be relatively free of controversy, and yet here we are...

We all know this will be forgotten in a few months and in a few years these will be the "good old days" of consumer graphics cards and the whole launch will be whitewashed, but just damn.
 
coercitiv said:
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I completely disagree with this take. By way of comparison, 5% lower performance is much more acceptable than faulty design of power delivery. We can argue the ROP situation is also too much, but it's definitely not as severe as non-zero chance to burn your cable and connectors.
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It's objectively worse to launch a product where a few cards melt than where a few cards don't meet spec, but it's probably more understandable. There's no way a batch of chips with non-functional ROPs should have even made it past parametric testing and gotten assembled onto PCBs. That should have been caught in automated testing, and that it wasn't seems to indicate either a huge failure in testing, a failure in inventory management, or just not giving a crap.
 
Grooveriding said:
It gets much worse

www.techpowerup.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50 Cards Spotted with Missing ROPs, NVIDIA Confirms the Issue, Multiple Vendors Affected

TechPowerUp has discovered that there are NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 graphics cards in retail circulation that come with too few render units, which lowers performance. Zotac's GeForce RTX 5090 Solid comes with fewer ROPs than it should—168 are enabled, instead of the 176 that are part of the RTX...
www.techpowerup.com www.techpowerup.com

disaster
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They managed to resurrect 3.5GB for no reason.
I kinda admire this at this point.
 
It's time to boycott GPUs more so whole 5xxx gen, demand 20% price cut under msrp and fixing the broken 12pin on 5090
 
adroc_thurston said:
They managed to resurrect 3.5GB for no reason.
I kinda admire this at this point.
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It is clearly a communication problem between the engineering section and the marketing guys at Nvidia again. Those 8 rops are low speed rops. Bad. Very bad. No good rops. Never meant to be there. Ignore them. You just want 168 fast rops, not 168 + 8 slow rops. No big deal. Here is a $30 lawsuit check three years from now for your troubles. No, better yet a $30 rebate on your next Nvidia purchase! Along with a free spatula for your Nvidia 600w grill.
 
poke01 said:
This is far from a bad architecture, this goes beyond that. Broken software, buggy drivers, hardware issues and no communication.

Sounds like a company that is weakening in terms of quality
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I will offer an alternative hypothesis: I wrote back in 2020 DIY/retail better get used to being last in line. Everything these IHVs do now convinces me that's the case. AMD gives us surprised Pikachu over 9800X3D availability. But you can buy any number of prebuilts using it at any time. Making it look more like an allocation issue with S.I.s getting preference over retail.

Nvidia, after executing year after year, suddenly becomes the king of A.I. the very next generation of retail products come out half baked. Worse yet, they finish cooking in your case. ☠️ And like AMD, you may not be able to find a 5080 in stock, but I can order several Cyberpower or iBUYPOWER PCs with one.
 
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