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NVidia are doing a Microsoft

And which customers would those be? I have yet to hear about an Android tablet powered by Tegra 4...
 
Do you see a 7" tablet in the market with Tegra 4?
BTW: After two years and would give it to them: Make a great product and sell it instead of waiting for your partners to screw it, over and over agian.
 
Isn't this a...oh what's the term, where they basically create a design for OEMs to be able to easily follow and make their own. Intel does this all the time, and nVidia does it with video cards. Reference design I guess, although I was thinking there was a different term.
 
Qbah said:
And which customers would those be? I have yet to hear about an Android tablet powered by Tegra 4...
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There are 2 that I am aware of.

There are online reviews of the Toshiba Excite Pro (10 inch Tegra 4).
There is feedback from users. Some seem to think it overheats easily and throttles.

There are online previews of the HP slatebook x2 (10 inch with keyboard dock Tegra 4).

The new Asus Transformer Infinity is rumored to use a Tegra 4.

For my own reasons, I'm watching for the fastest reasonably priced 10 inch I can find. I currently own a TF300.
 
Qbah said:
And which customers would those be? I have yet to hear about an Android tablet powered by Tegra 4...
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There's that overheating Toshiba one. But thankfully there's a nice big bulge on the back of this one, so NVidia can shove a heatsink in it.
 
darkswordsman17 said:
Isn't this a...oh what's the term, where they basically create a design for OEMs to be able to easily follow and make their own. Intel does this all the time, and nVidia does it with video cards. Reference design I guess, although I was thinking there was a different term.
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The point of a reference design is for the OEMs to copy it, or even just sell it with a badge on it. It seems that NVidia will be selling this themselves, and hence competing directly with their OEM customers.
 
And whats the problem? Apple and Samsung selling their own products and making a killing.

It's the way to go. Shield is one of the best quality mobile device and has a open bootlocker. If nVidia's partner can't design a great product it's time that nVidia starts to do their own product line. After Shield i would buy immediately one.
 
sontin said:
And whats the problem? Apple and Samsung selling their own products and making a killing.

It's the way to go. Shield is one of the best quality mobile device and has a open bootlocker. If nVidia's partner can't design a great product it's time that nVidia starts to do their own product line. After Shield i would buy immediately one.
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Apple and Samsung don't make/sell tablets to other companies (a better comparison would be Foxconn or something like that). Nvidia hurts their OEM resellers by competing with them, eg. Toshiba launches their Tegra tablet, but now Nvidia is competing with them and they both only get half the sales lets say. Toshiba sells less, Nvidia doesn't sell a lot either, it could be bad business for both companies.

Nvidia should stick to selling ICs, not selling devices. That's best left so Samsung or a company who have the resources and connections to distribute and manufacture their products. It would cost a lot to make those connections and then only use them for a limited volume product.
 
Sounds like it's going to be a pretty terrible device just like the Shield. 1280x800 in a 7 inch tablet is just not going to fly now that the 2nd gen Nexus 7 is out at the price that it is. Nvidia likes to price their objects like Apple does so there's no way it's going to be cheaper than the Nexus 7.
 
sontin said:
And whats the problem? Apple and Samsung selling their own products and making a killing.
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Samsung sells their own range of smartphones aping the iPhone. Apple get pissed off and take their business to TSMC, and now Samsung is down a (massive) fab customer. That is the danger here.
 
Another product for liquidator like Woot to sell in the future. This just like the Shield will be complete failure.
 
dguy6789 said:
Sounds like it's going to be a pretty terrible device just like the Shield. 1280x800 in a 7 inch tablet is just not going to fly now that the 2nd gen Nexus 7 is out at the price that it is. Nvidia likes to price their objects like Apple does so there's no way it's going to be cheaper than the Nexus 7.
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I own a shield, what qualifications do you know that the rest of the world doesn't to designate the Shield as a terrible device? Sounds like pure opinion, maaannn.

Also 720P at 7" is plenty retina (PPI) as far as being to pixel for regular use.
Especially for the benefits of Better battery life from less pixels, cheaper price for display, and better 3d performance due to less res.
 
dguy6789 said:
Sounds like it's going to be a pretty terrible device just like the Shield.
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This is a completely inane statement. Shield is an awesome device. I should know, because I actually have one. The user reviews at Newegg have been thoroughly excellent too: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814998077 . At the $299 USD [unsubsidized] price point, Shield has higher CPU/GPU performance than any other handheld device on the market today.
 
NTMBK said:
What's the best way of pissing off your few remaining tablet customers? By becoming a direct competitor, of course: http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/32181-nvidia-tegra-tab-7-leaked
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Your thread title is clearly flamebait, but anyway, think logically about what you are saying. There hasn't been a single 7" Tegra 4-powered device announced by any OEM partner. NVIDIA has every right to offer a Tegra 4 product in a category that is not currently being served by any of their OEM partners.

And FWIW, it seems incredibly silly and petty for you to complain about any company [NVIDIA] bringing an affordable 7" tablet [Tegra Tab] to market that will not only have faster CPU and GPU performance than the [2013] Nexus 7, but will also likely have Stylus support included too.

Last but not least, ironically enough, Google is competing against other Android partners [not named Asus and Samsung] with the Google Nexus Phone and Google Nexus 7 and 10 tablets. Well so what? There is no way to avoid at least some level of competition among partners. At least NVIDIA is more than willing to provide their most advanced SoC technology to their OEM partners (even though OEM partners are free, willing, and able to switch SoC vendors at any time they choose).

There's that overheating Toshiba one
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If you bothered to carefully read the reviews on that Toshiba model, you would realize that it is the super high res screen that is draining most of the battery life on that tablet, and you would also realize that the Toshiba model has a variety of issues such as blurry camera. And just FYI, it is common for high end tablets to get warm to the touch with processor-intensive tasks, and that includes devices such as ipad.
 
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Samsung sells their own range of smartphones aping the iPhone. Apple get pissed off and take their business to TSMC, and now Samsung is down a (massive) fab customer. That is the danger here.
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Toshiba and HP have no supply worldwide. Asus and Acer coming sometimes in Q3 or Q4.

No, i dont see a problem with a nVidia tablet. It would even better because the t-t-m would be much shorter than now.
 
ams23 said:
And FWIW, it seems incredibly silly and petty for you to complain about any company [NVIDIA] bringing an affordable 7" tablet [Tegra Tab] to market that will not only have faster CPU and GPU performance than the [2013] Nexus 7, but will also likely have Stylus support included too.
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I was not complaining; I was pointing out that it was a very bad idea.

Last but not least, ironically enough, Google is competing against other Android partners [not named Asus and Samsung] with the Google Nexus Phone and Google Nexus 7 and 10 tablets. Well so what? There is no way to avoid at least some level of competition among partners. At least NVIDIA is more than willing to provide their most advanced SoC technology to their OEM partners (even though OEM partners are free, willing, and able to switch SoC vendors at any time they choose).
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Google are very careful with their Nexus program to not piss off their partners. Why do you think they cycle through so many manufacturers? There have been Nexus devices from HTC, LG, Samsung and Asus. That's a pretty wide range. I hope they pick Sony for their next phone, personally- Sony's hardware has been pretty sweet lately.

If you bothered to carefully read the reviews on that Toshiba model, you would realize that it is the super high res screen that is draining most of the battery life on that tablet, and you would also realize that the Toshiba model has a variety of issues such as blurry camera. And just FYI, it is common for high end tablets to get warm to the touch with processor-intensive tasks, and that includes devices such as ipad.
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Warm to the touch != hot enough for people to post 1 star reviews on Amazon.
 
sontin said:
Toshiba and HP have no supply worldwide. Asus and Acer coming sometimes in Q3 or Q4.
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If their current customers have low shipments then they should be trying harder to sell their SoC to other OEMs, not burning bridges by entering the market themselves.
 
Chrono said:
Just bought a shield! Hm... wtf am I going to do with it? Newegg has a 30 days refund policy correct?
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Lol, harsh.

I'm actually coming round to the Shield a bit; at least, to the game streaming part of it. I just recently bought a Wii U and playing Mario on the "gamepad" on the sofa or in bed is excellent; having that with any Steam game would actually be very good. They don't need a Tegra 4 for that, though, as the Wii U demonstrates- it just has a tiny Broadcom chip running the show. I'd rather they had a form factor a bit closer to the Wii U pad, and a lower power SoC (single core A9 and a hardware h264 decode block should be fine).
 
Again, use some common sense and get over it. NVIDIA has every right to fill segments that are not currently being filled by their OEM partners.
 
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