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nVidia Announces New nForce Chipsets. 620-D and 615-D

I have to say so what, harly any companies even came out with the old nforce and when they did it took forever. Abit is coming out with a series of mobos called MAX which will prob blow these away anyways, wont take forever either
 
So what's chipset are these Abit 'MAX' boards based on?

I'm disappointed that they haven't updated the GFX core only the memory interfaces. I'm sure DDR333 or DDR400 on a GF2MX will/could improve performance but I'd question whether it will improve it as much as moving to a GF3 or GF4 based core.

Thorin
 
Abit's MAX series is supposed to cost about $200 so...😉

There's nothing wrong with, for example, 415-D. They're cheap (ASUS's 415-D board is just $115 with nForce audio) and they've been very reliable from nearly everyone that's used them. I mean I guess I could go get an ECS board based on a VIA KT266A chipset for $75 and say that it was a steal, but I'll take more quality and reliability over bargain bin crap any day. 😉
 
DDR333 support is like adding rocket fuel to the nForce's already superior feature set

Ha ha ha!


Other than dragging the integrated GF2 MX from the gutter up to the level of a GF2 MX 400, I really don't see a great improvement. I would still prefer an Nforce based board if I were building a box for a friend or relative though. The stability and features are quite impressive for such a young chipset...
 
Has anyone else considered the supply and demand repercussions from the integrated mb's? it would seem to me w/ the Nvidia board, the ATI board and the Intel integrated mb's they will make a significant impact on mb sales. i would dare say they could account for 50% of all mb sales w/in 6 months.


If this is the case wouldn't it be likely that you would see a decrease in non integrated mb on the market? isn't it likely that High Performance mb will go up in price?

it isn't just a case of MORE competition is good. if these boards do become the mainstream trend than it seems that it would push the higher performance non integrated boards out of the mainstream, increasing the prices of said boards.

does anyone else follow this analysis?
 


<< I'm disappointed that they haven't updated the GFX core only the memory interfaces. I'm sure DDR333 or DDR400 on a GF2MX will/could improve performance but I'd question will improve it as much as moving to a GF3 or GF4 based core. >>



umm i am not sure about this but isn't the memory bandwidth shared between the video and the rest of the system on an nforce board? What bandwidth does a geforce 3 have? By increasing the core to a geforce 3 or 4, it will require a greater share of bandwidth or become the bottle neck. A geforce 2mx will run at 800 x600 etc with this bandwidth avalible but if it had a geforce 3 you would expect greater performance at a higher resolution, but with this bottleneck it just can't occur.

Then everyone will be blaming Nvidia for putting a faster core which is useless. 😉

Also i think the gf 2mx is a good core for a intergrated system, it is cheap and entry level. It also allows Nvidia to sell you another video card (hopefully one of theirs) 😉 for those concerned with gaming performance.
 
Well, at least the unchanged onboard graphics gets a "free" 20% boost when given 20% faster DDR RAM. :shrug:
Could be worse. It's now allllmost GTS levels of performance, DX8 compatibility.... Not bad at all really.
Provided the boards come out rapidly and relatively inexpensive.

It's still cheaper to get that famous SiS735 board + GF2TI + C-media 6 channel sound card.
 


<< moving to a GF3 or GF4 based core >>

you'd be pushing 70 million transistors if you had an integrated one of those. simply ludicrous for a chipset.



<< Has anyone else considered the supply and demand repercussions from the integrated mb's? it would seem to me w/ the Nvidia board, the ATI board and the Intel integrated mb's they will make a significant impact on mb sales. i would dare say they could account for 50% of all mb sales w/in 6 months. >>

integrated boards have been taking up a huge portion of the mb market for years. and nforce has almost no market share. ati will likely gain share faster than nforce. ati has the advantages of being a less expensive chipset, multi-platform, and very notebook friendly. all it really needs is a really cheap sound chip (really there should be some sound functionality in there south bridge) and it would be a great low price integrated chipset with almost decent graphics (i752... *shudders*)



<< It's now allllmost GTS levels of performance, DX8 compatibility. >>

almost GTS? yeah, sure, i've got a bridge... ah nevermind. and its a DX7 part.

 


<< Motherboards based on the nForce 620-D and 615-D platform processors will be available in late Q2 2002 from a variety of companies including ASUSTeK, Leadtek and MSI >>



Leadtek motherboards?
 


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<< Motherboards based on the nForce 620-D and 615-D platform processors will be available in late Q2 2002 from a variety of companies including ASUSTeK, Leadtek and MSI >>



Leadtek motherboards? >>

Not only will there be ASUS, MSI, Abit, and Leadtek motherboards, but MiTAC, AOpen, Chaintech, and Soltek are joining as well. Looks like lots of options will be available in the future, that's for sure...
 
I would have much preferred it if they had introduced:

All of this has to be integrated into the southbridge (except for the obvious things that dont get put on a southbridge) so it uses the hypertransport link and doesn't use the PCI bus.

o ATA-133 (even serial ATA, if thats been finalised as its backwards compatible)
o 4 DDR RAM Slots
o USB 2.0 with 8 ports
o Firewire 1394a with plugs for powered and non powered devices (Even 1394b support for 800Mb/s hee hee)
o AGP 8x
o Better onboard graphics such as a GeForce 4 MX or GeForce 3 core
o AMD Internal Diode support
o Turning up the hyper transport link to say 1.6GB/s or higher 🙂
o 10/100/1000Mbps integrated NIC
o Onboard Hardware RAID chip for ATA or SCSI 😀


Now that I would say would be one kickarse fast and feature packed motherboard. Please don't anyone point out impractacalities or costs of this, I am one of those more/faster is better people.
 


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<< Motherboards based on the nForce 620-D and 615-D platform processors will be available in late Q2 2002 from a variety of companies including ASUSTeK, Leadtek and MSI >>



Leadtek motherboards? >>


Leadtek has had motherboards for awhile now John, I saw some awhile back when I went to look at specs on their vid cards. Hehe They also have a sound card too(it's based on the c-media chip though). Now mind you I don't know anyone who actually has one of them, but they're still pretty new in the mobo market.
 
leadtek makes a sis735 board but its not very overclockable so you don't hear about it much here. everyone thought it would be overclockable, but leadtek doesn't have too much MB experience yet, so its not.
 


<< Has anyone else considered the supply and demand repercussions from the integrated mb's? it would seem to me w/ the Nvidia board, the ATI board and the Intel integrated mb's they will make a significant impact on mb sales. i would dare say they could account for 50% of all mb sales w/in 6 months. >>



According to Anand, "over half of all chipsets sold feature integrated graphics."

I'm excited about this new nForce2 for two reasons: First, because it shows that while the original model only accounted for 1 in 10 sales compared to VIA chipsets, there is obviously enough interest to create a second generation and for even more manufacturers to sign on. And second, because it's not VIA.

I spent 3 years with an Intel BX board and never thought about it. When it was time to upgrade, I built a KT133A system and fought to make it stable and now, just a year later, the USB has crapped out. I welcome competing chipsets for the AMD processors.
 


<< almost GTS? yeah, sure, i've got a bridge... ah nevermind. and its a DX7 part. >>


1) I was under the impression the nForce IGP was DX8 compliant even if it IS labeled a "GF2 core". If I'm mistaken there, I concede on that point. Don't you just love video MFR's that claim DX8 compatibility when they don't actually support DX8 in hardware?

2) Well, take scores from an MX-400 and add 20%. You're getting very close to scores from an UN-OVERCLOCKED GTS card. GTS-V if you prefer. If you don't agree that's more than enough for MOST people, then you're one of those hardware addicts like BFG10K that if you don't get 200FPS you're getting a "slide show".
rolleye.gif
 


<< I'm excited about this new nForce2 for two reasons: First, because it shows that while the original model only accounted for 1 in 10 sales compared to VIA chipsets, there is obviously enough interest to create a second generation and for even more manufacturers to sign on. And second, because it's not VIA. >>

nForce 600 series isn't nForce 2. It's simply a minor update to nForce, and really a insiginficiant one. The only benefit that there will be is greater integrated performance via DDR333.

This is good, but really, the more significant nForce update will be the one that will prolly like so many chipsets being announced, support the likely never to be released DDR400, but also feature a GF4MX core.
 
" I would still prefer an Nforce based board if I were building a box for a friend or relative though. The stability and features are quite impressive for such a young chipset... "

Exactly, I just used a MSI nForce board to build a system for my mother-in-law (to be).

"What bandwidth does a geforce 3 have? By increasing the core to a geforce 3 or 4, it will require a greater share of bandwidth or become the bottle neck. "

Ok I can completely agree with that perhaps they don't yet have enough bandwidth for a better core, I was just hoping for more of an inovative step then simply increasing the top speed of the memory interface that's all. What's they've done seems like a complete no-brainer (technologically), however I suppose it's the step they need before putting in a better gfx core or any other kind of frills. I also don't see the need or use for DDR333 or DDR400 right now, I suppose the processors etc are coming up soon to take advantage of it but 266 seems to be holding it's own for the time being (perhaps I'm behind on my reading or something...but I haven't really even heard of any mass availability of DDR333 or DDR400).

"Also i think the gf 2mx is a good core for a intergrated system, it is cheap and entry level. "

I agree with this too for 99.9% of the people who are going to get a nForce based system a GF2MX based graphics solution is more then enough (for email, office and web browsing).

"Well, at least the unchanged onboard graphics gets a "free" 20% boost when given 20% faster DDR RAM. :shrug:"

As I mentioned above, perhaps I'm behind on my reading but I haven't even heard of any massively available DDR333 or DDR400 or any system that would need to take advantage of those memory standards (yet).

"<< moving to a GF3 or GF4 based core >> you'd be pushing 70 million transistors if you had an integrated one of those. simply ludicrous for a chipset. "

Perhaps that's alot but you know it's going to happen, it's just a matter of time. My point was more that simply uping the memory interface speed/standard doesn't seem like that big of a deal (technologically). I was hoping for something more impressive for their next version of the nForce. (See additional comments above).

"even serial ATA, if thats been finalised as its backwards compatible"

Yes and yes. Check the HD Interface and Standards FAQ for more info.

"4 DDR RAM Slots"

1.5GB (3) isn't enough for an integrated system?

"Firewire 1394a"

How many people do you really think would buy an integrated system and then need/use firewire? (You can always add an audigy or firewire pci card if needed)

"AGP 8x"

Their current AGP slot uses 1.5V cards, AGP 8X uses 0.8V cards (which don't exist yet....at least from what I've read).

"AMD Internal Diode support"

This is up to the board manufacturers.

"10/100/1000Mbps integrated NIC"

Again why would anyone with a integrated system need a 1Gb NIC? Even with a xDSL or cable connection you don't (or barely) push 10Mbps.

"Onboard Hardware RAID chip for ATA or SCSI"

Well since this is only an "onboard chip" then it's up to the mother baord manufacturers not nVidia. And again who buys an integrated (average joe) system and needs scsi?

Thorin
 
So it's just the same 415/420 chipset with DDR333 support? That's it??? No USB 2.0, no Firewire, no more DIMM slots?? PFFFFFFFFFF!!!! I can understand with the integrated board with video (more memory bandwidth for the MX video)...but the 615's are marketed more towards our side of the fence (enthusiast market). I'd like to see more features for us than just a memory speed bump that is basically worthless with the current Athlons.

Wake me up when the REAL nForce successor arrives😉
 


<< NFS4, how is the KT266A or KT333 any different in regards to USB 2.0 support. Are you talking native? >>


I do believe that the KT333 has native USB 2.0 support. The SiS745 has native Firewire support.

But that doesn't matter, this whole crop of DDR333 boards makes no sense for current Athlons. It's a waste or money and is nothing more than marketing fluff. It'd be something different if the processor could actually use the extra bandwidth, but it can't.

Until the Athlon moves to the 166MHz FSB, I could care less about these boards.
 


<< Q]nForce 600 series isn't nForce 2. It's simply a minor update to nForce, and really a insiginficiant one. The only benefit that there will be is greater integrated performance via DDR333. >>



Yeah, my mistake. I knew that it wasn't the nF2, but had a brain fart as I typed. It's really just a normal product cycle bump for NVIDIA. Release...Update...Release2...
 


<< Don't you just love video MFR's that claim DX8 compatibility when they don't actually support DX8 in hardware? >>

i love how video manufacturers take a chip with performance and rendering features on par with cards older than 2 years, give them a clock boost to make them just a bit slower than last year's model, then give them a similar name to this year's model. oh wait, we're talking about the same design bureau.
 


<< oh wait, we're talking about the same design bureau. >>


Never! We all know they're next to God and never make mistakes, have perfect drivers, and.. and.. and... well everything else just sucks because I paid an obscene amount of money to get 10,000 3D Marks in a pretty looping demo! 😛😛😛😛😛
(you know the type...) 😉
 
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