Nvidia and ATI really suck at naming things

[Stoneburner]

First, every card is a radeon or a geforce and has been for about 20 years now. But i dont' know anybody who calls them radeons or geforces any more. I remember when my brother got the original geforce he called it a geforce, now it's either a 9700 or 6800 and so on. The thing is, i'm tired of the damn numbers, give us a new name! FOr yaweh's sake nvidia named their chipset "nforce" and ati calls their's radeon ______. The othe rthing is the qualifiers they add in, like ultra, XT, GT, XXX, LOL, BLT. They are unnecessary and stupid. If you are going to do it by numbers you may as well have something straightforwards like Intel finally did. AMD could use a change but it's not as bad the GPU makers.

Just give the new cards a damn name! what is Ati going to call R520 anyway, the 11000? the XI850 XT platinum edition?

 

[imported_Kensai]

I'm eager to find the naming scheme for the R520s.. Maybe the x900s?

 

[mOeeOm]

Because the longer the name and more complicated, the better it sounds to the average joe.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: Kensai
I'm eager to find the naming scheme for the R520s.. Maybe the x900s?

there's a lot of talk about x900, but that woudl be incredibly stupid IMHO, worse than the Radeon 9000-9250.

ATI's namign system did make sense at first, with their 7xxx series supporting DX7, their 8xxx series supporting DX8, and their 9xxx series supporting DX9, however that changed with X series, seeing as how we're still on DX9.

X900 is stupid, because it implies a mere upgrade to the X800 series, just as the GF 5900 was an update to the GF 5800, fixing some minor problems, not drastically improving performance by changing the architecture, shrinking the process (90nm), and adding new shadermodel support (from 2.0 to 3.0), as well as hardware H.264 acceleration...

IMHO it deserves a whole new category. ATI was clever to go with X from 9, probably taking a page from Apple's book, becuase 10 woudl have just been stupid as well; Radeon 10800. XI800 is dumb as well, because its also too many characters. Radeon will probably stay, but I agree it needs to be shaken up.

Although it would be most easily shaken up with a replacement for Radeon...

nVidia's sytem has actually worked out best so far, their GeForce cards are still determined by their generation, GeForce 7800 tells us that its the 7th series of GeForce and the 800 implies that it is a high end 7 series card. Perhaps ATI should switch over to this method, and call their new cards Radeon 5 something, or perhaps V...


The whole mess with LE/XL/XT/GT/Ultra/XTPE and what not is all because of the fact that competition is fierce right now, performance is close.

This isn't like the days of the GeForce 3 where nVidia only had to release one GeForce 3 series card (at first) because they'd killed off 3Dfx and had no real competition, and the Radeon was still in its infancy with less than par performance and ATI drivers that still had a bad wrap and some catching up to do. It took the Radeon 8500 and some heavily fixed and reworked drivers to snap nVidia back into action, offering some new GeForce 3 flavors, including a Ti500 that offered faster performance that wouldn't be enough to stave off the R8500 - then they hit with the GeForce 4 line, and then ATI with the 9700Pro. They traded pretty big blows and now we're at a fairly even wrestling match so any edge in performance deserves a new product to fill a gap. The X800XT through X850XTPE, four cards in all are all pretty much the same thing.

 

[rbV5]

But i dont' know anybody who calls them radeons

I describe mine as Radeon all the time when its not specific to the actual card.

FOr yaweh's sake nvidia named their chipset "nforce" and ati calls their's radeon ______.

Radeon Xpress

Personally I like the Radeon and Geforce Brands and they should stick to them. People still recognise Matrox because of brand recognition, why would they want to change their branding after developing it to this point?

 

[jazzboy]

I think it would be easier if ati/nvidia just ditched the suffixes all together and instead just use numbers. It would nice for a change if, say the g80 series, were labelled 8100, 8200, 8300, 8400, 8500, 8600, 8700 etc. instead of 8800 gt, 8800 gtx, 8800 LE, 8800 XT Ultra Extreme PE etc. It would certainly make life easier for the typical consumer.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: jazzboy
I think it would be easier if ati/nvidia just ditched the suffixes all together and instead just use numbers. It would nice for a change if, say the g80 series, were labelled 8100, 8200, 8300, 8400, 8500, 8600, 8700 etc. instead of 8800 gt, 8800 gtx, 8800 LE, 8800 XT Ultra Extreme PE etc. It would certainly make life easier for the typical consumer.

How would ATI and Nvidia name ther low end parts after the competitors High end parts then? That can't work.

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: jazzboy
I think it would be easier if ati/nvidia just ditched the suffixes all together and instead just use numbers. It would nice for a change if, say the g80 series, were labelled 8100, 8200, 8300, 8400, 8500, 8600, 8700 etc. instead of 8800 gt, 8800 gtx, 8800 LE, 8800 XT Ultra Extreme PE etc. It would certainly make life easier for the typical consumer.

agreed.

 

[jazzboy]

How would ATI and Nvidia name ther low end parts after the competitors High end parts then? That can't work.

Well i didnt mean exactly like as i suggested but just some kind of number-only system, kind of like intel and amd.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: jazzboy

How would ATI and Nvidia name ther low end parts after the competitors High end parts then? That can't work.

Well i didnt mean exactly like as i suggested but just some kind of number-only system, kind of like intel and amd.

I were kidding

 

[Lonyo]

They should name them like their code names or numbers, so Fudo or R520 <suffix> (eg: R520XT)
But then that would get confusing when lower end parts have higher numbers (eg: RV530)

 

[Jaskalas]

What's in a name? I'd rather they focus on FPS than spending R&D to come up with names.

 

[Azndude2190]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
First, every card is a radeon or a geforce and has been for about 20 years now. But i dont' know anybody who calls them radeons or geforces any more. I remember when my brother got the original geforce he called it a geforce, now it's either a 9700 or 6800 and so on. The thing is, i'm tired of the damn numbers, give us a new name! FOr yaweh's sake nvidia named their chipset "nforce" and ati calls their's radeon ______. The othe rthing is the qualifiers they add in, like ultra, XT, GT, XXX, LOL, BLT. They are unnecessary and stupid. If you are going to do it by numbers you may as well have something straightforwards like Intel finally did. AMD could use a change but it's not as bad the GPU makers.

Just give the new cards a damn name! what is Ati going to call R520 anyway, the 11000? the XI850 XT platinum edition?

lol who cares dude..as long the card provides good graphics I don't care if they call there card poop...

 

[UltraWide]

They should name them after pretty flowers, like Magnolia, Wild Orchid, Tulip, etc.

I would love to have an ATi Red Tulip 256MB PCIe, or what about Nvidia Black RoseFX 256MB PCIe?

 

[hans030390]

I dont see how this is so bad...a lot of people suck at naming things.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
But i dont' know anybody who calls them radeons or geforces any more. I remember when my brother got the original geforce he called it a geforce, now it's either a 9700 or 6800 and so on

So why can't you do the same without getting bent about it?

 

[subzero813]

i will be the first in line to buy a X1000LOL. or perhaps a 8000GTOMG.

 

[munchow2]

Originally posted by: subzero813
i will be the first in line to buy a X1000LOL. or perhaps a 8000GTOMG.

lol good one dude. Anyway man, I find that the naming is confusing at times but the specs usually speak for themselves.

 

[BrokenArrow]

I want an nVidia WTFIGOTPWNED8700GTXXXOHMYGODWHENWILLITEVEREND??? model.

 

[jasonja]

both companies have spent millions of dollars to get the Radeon and Geforce brand names recognizable. They don't want to start over all over again. Think how long the "pentium" name has been around.

 

[batmanuel]

It is still not as bad as the whole Pentium D and Celeron D mess. One D means "Dual core" the other doesn't really mean anything, since the D is really something like the fifth major revision of the Celeron line (if you count the move from the Slot 1 300A to the s370 models as a major revision, you can get six different versions).

The fact that no one can come to a consensus on what GT and XT means really annoys me though. High-end, mid-range, or low-end - it depends on if the card is ATi or nVidia. Its deeply annoying.

 

[batmanuel]

Originally posted by: jasonja
both companies have spent millions of dollars to get the Radeon and Geforce brand names recognizable. They don't want to start over all over again. Think how long the "pentium" name has been around.

I'm wondering what they are going to do when they hit the Pentium 5, considering that Pentium was originally derived from the fact it was a fifth gen Intel chip. Will it be the "Pentium^2" (which could be kind of cool name for a dual core chip, actually).

 

[imported_g33k]

Originally posted by: batmanuel
It is still not as bad as the whole Pentium D and Celeron D mess. One D means "Dual core" the other doesn't really mean anything, since the D is really something like the fifth major revision of the Celeron line (if you count the move from the Slot 1 300A to the s370 models as a major revision, you can get six different versions).

The fact that no one can come to a consensus on what GT and XT means really annoys me though. High-end, mid-range, or low-end - it depends on if the card is ATi or nVidia. Its deeply annoying.

The "D" in Pentium D or Celeron D means desktop, not dualcore. Because Celerons are not dualcore, the fact that it is a Pentium means that it is dualcore.

 

[Bateluer]

Brand name recognition. Everybody knows Nvidia makes Geforces. Everybody knows ATi makes Radeons. Everybody knows Intel makes Pentiums. Everybody knows AMD makes Athlons(well, most anyway).

These companies invest millions of dollars in naming their products so people will remember them. Changing the name of their flagship product after investing so much would be foolish.

ATI's naming schemes do need improvement though, they have too many model numbers and letter designations. I spend a good deal of time following the industry, and I'm not certain whats what in the low to middle end segment.

 

[Inappropriate4AT]

It's very easy to distinguish if you keep up with the tech... If you're not that interested than it really doesn't concern you, you're the type of person that needs to go into CompUSA and ask the know all see all rep what he recommends.