Nvidia accused of cheating over graphics tech

[apoppin]

The Inq's SYNopsis:

ATI IS MAKING hay while the sun shines after an article at Driverheaven more or less accused Nvidia of cheating. We referenced the web site article earlier today in our hardware roundup.
It's also worth looking here for background on this matter.

We said that what we saw when we were in Geneva with Nvidia was a clear difference between the code that was running PS 3.0 path and a referred system that was running PS 2.0 code.

ATI says that CryTek's representative told it that what Nvidia showed us in Geneva was a 2.0/3.0 path versus 1.1 path.

The key message is that Shader model 3.0 and 2.0 look exactly the same, the ATI representative added.

In a developers' mail that we also received, it added that there is a possibility that the 3.0 path might be slightly faster in same cases on some hardware - an obvious reference to Nvidia.

ATI also claims that its hardware will run faster then Nvidia's anyway and he added: "It's pretty much impossible to make a sm3.0 game look noticeably different to a sm2.0 game, which is why Nvidia was comparing the 2.0/3.0 path with a 1.1 path."

A CryTek representative responded on this matter with this answer: "Was Nvidia showing SM3.0 vs. SM2.0 or SM1.1?" He replied to his own question by saying that Nvidia was showing 3.0/2.0 vs. 1.1.

So the ball is now in Nvidia's half of the court . . .

Where the article came from and conclusion:
DriverHeaven

The final issue is why have Futuremark stated that these drivers should be considered as approved? Its very clear to me that the 6800Ultra is not rendering the reference image as desired by 3Dmark, regardless of any performance impact and therefore isnt comparable to any other card. This in result is no different to the optimisations in previous drivers which Futuremark have frowned upon.

Again? :Q

:roll:

 

[Jagercola]

Ya, I admit, I said I was running a SM3.0 path against a SM2.0 path, but in reality, it was SM3.0/2.0 against SM1.1. My bad, nothing to see here, move along. -Nvidia

 

[GrumpyMan]

Why am I not surprised?

 

[JBT]

Originally posted by: Jagercola
Ya, I admit, I said I was running a SM3.0 path against a SM2.0 path, but in reality, it was SM3.0/2.0 against SM1.1. My bad, nothing to see here, move along. -Nvidia

haha yeah wups...

 

[biostud]

Oh, no I got fooled.............and then again didn't we all know

 

[Alkaline5]

And I care, why? All this does is prove that PS3.0 isn't as large a leap forward as 2.0 was (and that Nvidia's PR dept are still idiots). It's not like they're cheating with PS3.0 IQ already.

 

[Algere]

I didn't get fooled

Skeptical esp. with what happened last year with NV3X, drivers, optimizations, etc. but not fooled.

 

[txxxx]

I was kind of waiting for this to happen...

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: txxxx
I was kind of waiting for this to happen...

So . . . when can we expect ATI's next "cheating" scandal?

(about June, i'd guess . . . when the xt rolls . . . ) :roll:


edit: looks like nVidia still has the nv30 marketeers around

 

[Acanthus]

Repost. Read the original thread to find out why you're a tard as well.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Repost. Read the original thread to find out why you're a tard as well.

Then post the link if you think it's a repost; 'tard yourself.

. . . in the thread i remember, we discussed it before but those posts had a lot of MISinfo and OPinIOn and was never was settled.

. . . And the news is 'today's' from the inq and DH. :roll:

 

[Acanthus]

Oh im sorry, the page 1 video forums thread, ya know the category this thread belongs in, must be hard to find

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Oh im sorry, the page 1 video forums thread, ya know the category this thread belongs in, must be hard to find

You reeally ARE sorry.

THIS was discussed HERE when the 6800u was previewed. It is LOGICAL (and CUStomarY) to post NEWS relating to GENERAL HW also HERE where people expect it. :roll:

 

[Acanthus]

No this is stupid fanboi driver cheat slander BS and FUD. It doesnt belong in GH.

Go cry where the people who know wtf they are talking about can discredit you like rabid sharks to a wounded seal. Oh wait, thats the reason you posted it here.

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: txxxx
I was kind of waiting for this to happen...

So . . . when can we expect ATI's next "cheating" scandal?

I can only remember one ATI scandal.... the Q3 "Quack". Were there others? If so, what were they?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
No this is stupid fanboi driver cheat slander BS and FUD. It doesnt belong in GH.



Go cry where the people who know wtf they are talking about can discredit you like rabid sharks to a wounded seal. Oh wait, thats the reason you posted it here.

I'm off to work . . . thanks for bring more attention to this thread.



:roll:

And you are accusing DriverHeaven of "stupid fanboi driver cheat slander BS and FUD" - not me. :roll:

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
No this is stupid fanboi driver cheat slander BS and FUD. It doesnt belong in GH.



Go cry where the people who know wtf they are talking about can discredit you like rabid sharks to a wounded seal. Oh wait, thats the reason you posted it here.

So the developers of Farcry don't know what they're talking about, but the people in the video forum do?

 

[Acanthus]

Ahh so beta hardware on beta drivers should look identical to well seasoned hardware on well seasoned drivers.

Someone who knows the basics of computing can see this. It isnt a cheat. Why would you cheat when youre already 2x as fast as the competition...

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Ahh so beta hardware on beta drivers should look identical to well seasoned hardware on well seasoned drivers.



Someone who knows the basics of computing can see this. It isnt a cheat. Why would you cheat when youre already 2x as fast as the competition...

Correction: The day you can buy one, we will see who is faster. Right now it vaporware. Supposedly, ATI will have theirs out for purchase on day1, which is supposed to be May 4th. On may 4th, after the benchmarks come out (if all this is true) THEN we will see who is faster.

 

[UlricT]

WTF are you guys saying here anyway? How can anything do PS3.0 right now without DirectX9.0c? This is the version of DirectX which is going to support PS3.0 right? So without PS3.0 support at this level, how can you expect the code paths to look any different?

This is like saying running DX9 (PS2.0) code on a comp. with only DX8.1 installed looks the same as the DX8.1 code path...

 

[UlricT]

ATi is just blowing smoke here cause they are desperate....

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Ahh so beta hardware on beta drivers should look identical to well seasoned hardware on well seasoned drivers.







Someone who knows the basics of computing can see this. It isnt a cheat. Why would you cheat when youre already 2x as fast as the competition...

Correction: The day you can buy one, we will see who is faster. Right now it vaporware. Supposedly, ATI will have theirs out for purchase on day1, which is supposed to be May 4th. On may 4th, after the benchmarks come out (if all this is true) THEN we will see who is faster.

Then the X800 comes out and its slower, WAIT FOR THE X800XT then we will see who is faster!!

Then the X800XT is faster and NVIDIA fanbois say WAIT FOR THE Geforce 6950!

Anyway this is a non-issue in here, im sick of tards that dont even know anything about graphics crying driver cheat every time a driver has an issue.

ATis AA doesnt work in BF:Vietnam!! DRIVER CHEAT!!! ATi KILLS BABIES IN SOMOLIA OMFG!!!

 

[Dug]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
No this is stupid fanboi driver cheat slander BS and FUD. It doesnt belong in GH.



Go cry where the people who know wtf they are talking about can discredit you like rabid sharks to a wounded seal. Oh wait, thats the reason you posted it here.

Wake up on the wrong side of the bed?

But I do agree that this image quality/ driver thing is such a waste of time. Cheating is a bad word for a driver that gets the job done.

 

[RaiderJ]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
No this is stupid fanboi driver cheat slander BS and FUD. It doesnt belong in GH.



Go cry where the people who know wtf they are talking about can discredit you like rabid sharks to a wounded seal. Oh wait, thats the reason you posted it here.

Rabid sharks? Do those exist?
How would you tell if a shark is rabid? Please explain yourself!

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Dug

Originally posted by: Acanthus
No this is stupid fanboi driver cheat slander BS and FUD. It doesnt belong in GH.



Go cry where the people who know wtf they are talking about can discredit you like rabid sharks to a wounded seal. Oh wait, thats the reason you posted it here.

Wake up on the wrong side of the bed?

No, it just gets frustrating dealing with all the crap in the video forums, and now its coming to GH too.