Nvidia 3D Glasses

[Keysplayr]

N/M

 

[SirPauly]

Yes, it's 60 hz per eye and the frame lasts twice as much on the screen. Because of this there's an extra refresh in the middle of the frame. That's why Nvidia doesn't work on cheaper 60hz monitors, it would be the equivalent of a 30hz monitor with AMD.

For the games, a 60Hz display would require a video card twice as fast for Nvidia than for AMD in order to be just as playable. That's why the went 120Hz, it's a necessity not some awesome feature.

You're confusing frame-rate with hz. I can have minimums of 30 frame-rate and receive 60hz per eye.

 

[mosox]

Nope, they are different things but have the same effect. With Nvidia in order to have min 30fps per eye you need 60 fps overall, the eyes see different frames. You see with the left eye only the frames 1,3,5,7, etc and you need 30 of those/second in order to see well. And again for the right eye, 30 even frames (2,4,6, etc). That's 60, 30 odd and 30 even frames.

Nvidia doesn't give you twice the frames (it couldn't, the frame-rate of the movies is standard), instead it gives you (actually the monitor/TV not the card) that extra refresh that splits each frame into two identical frames, doubling them.

 

[SolMiester]

Mosox, you burned your bridge here a couple of week ago, give it a rest!

 

[aviwil]

Thanks for all that info everyone .
Dribble - most blurays use m2ts movie files in directory BDMV/STREAM
. Usually the main movie is just the one biggest one . Sometimes it's been split into many smaller ones . Just open the biggest one with one of GOM, VLC , Splash , and they should play well . You will not get the main menu , this way , just play the movie - not really any big deal . You can analyze the bluray with a great free utility BDInfo . Just search with Google etc , to find the links to these . I personall have found Splash the best , especially in the case of a low powered laptop , like mine .
Keyplayr - what was that again ?
SolMiester , if you have any more comments like that , I'd appreciate you posting them not here . Mosox - you're OK by me - keep on going .
OILFIELDTRASH , I'd be interested to know , if someone has all those components you mention in your first post , but not the glasses , will the video come out as a mess , or 2D , or what ?

 

[WelshBloke]

What the HDMI standard does is allow for 24hz per eye at 1080p and 60hz per eye at 720p!

What the proprietary does is allow for 60hz per eye at 1080p.

Aren't movies supposed to be 24hz?

 

[SirPauly]

The context I had with Mosox was with gaming. If someone desires 3d stereo for just movies, using the HDMI standard is fine if one has a 1080p display but if one desires to play games at 60hz per eye, it will use 720p. Don't you think this information is important?

My point was proprietary is needed to go beyond existing standards to bring full resolution stereo 3d gaming to the consumer.

 

[gorcorps]

I think all the 3d explanations here are overly confusing. Here's a dumbed down and (hopefully) accurate version of the 2 from the other things I've read.

Basically what the movie theaters (and AMD apparently) do is split the image into 2 offset frames which the glasses merge into one image, and because of the offset it has a 3D effect. The downside here is that each line of "pixels" on the screen shows either the left image or right image, and the glasses merge those images together. It's not always a line, sometimes it's alternating pixels similar to a checkerboard style. Either way the image you see is 1/2 the resolution the display is actually at because 1/2 of the pixels are seen by each eye.

Nvidia's method is to alternate each frame at full resolution fast enough that your eyes/brain can't detect it. That's why you need a 120Hz monitor... it means that the monitor can refresh the image 120 times a second vs. the standard 60. You then need to buy their glasses and IR emitter. The glasses are actually battery powered and through fast shutter technology alternate which eye is blocked. The glasses see the IR emitter which allow the glasses to sync the shutters with what the computer is playing. One eye is blocked and the other eye sees one frame, then the other eye is blocked and you see the 2nd slightly offset frame. This happens so fast that your brain merges the images together creating the 3D effect. One downside is that your eyes are now only seeing the image 1/2 the time, so the image looks dimmer than usual so you have to crank the brightness.

 

[SirPauly]

Side by side is just one way of doing 3d stereo and nVidia supports this as well because it is part of HDMI 1.4.

http://www.mtbs3d.com/index.php?opt...s-3dtv-play-explained&catid=35:news&Itemid=73

But, what nVidia does is allow proprietary to have full resolution, 60hz per eye with 3d vision.

AMD, they also have the ability to utilize a 120hz monitor for 3d stereo: ViewSonic V3D241wm but have to use third party drivers from IZ3d, to name an example.

 

[cyclejim]

I recently purchased a Acer H5360 to try out 3d Blu-ray and gaming, and currently I am regretting my decision to go with the AMD "solution" vs Nvidia 3d vision.

My setup for blu-ray playback:
Windows 7 64bit, AMD/ATI Radeon 6950, Acer H5360 3D ready projector, DLP-Link glasses, PowerDVD 10 Ultra Mk II, HDMI connection from video card direct to projector with no other displays attached. Acer is set to DLP Link Mode.

For games, basically the same as above except that you have to use either the IZ3d third party driver, or some other 3rd party driver whose name I forget at this moment.

Bottom line is that I am experiencing problems with both blu-ray 3d playback as well as gaming in 3d. And the problem with the AMD solution is that you are in between 2-3 vendors when stuff doesnt work, AMD, Iz3d, and Cyberlink. Not to mention there is no documentation or tutorials on the AMD website for how to make stuff work in 3d, anywhere that I can find.

In order to get the iz3d solution for games to work (which by the way iz3d is listed on the AMD website as one of their partners) I had to resort to a registry hack just to get it working because otherwise AQBS showed as not supported in the iz3d diagnostic and 3d didnt work at all in games. Also while the list games supported by iz3d is fairly large, ive yet to experience any real WOW moments, except for in batman AA, which is pretty decent.

For blu-ray 3d playback, even though the cyberlink bd 3d advisor says my entire ecosystem is supported, I get error messages that I do not have a 3d enabled system, and I had to resort to picking the wrong type of output (3d lcd 120hz sequential) to get a movie to play, note - Im using a 3d ready DLP projector,

Funny thing is I had intended to go with an nvidia 3d vision solution the entire time, (my projector is specifically listed as supported) but right before I got my projector, i stumbled on a great deal for the AMD 6950 and jumped on it. Anyone who would like to purchase a Sapphire radeon 6950 almost new, feel free to let me know

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I recently purchased a Acer H5360 to try out 3d Blu-ray and gaming, and currently I am regretting my decision to go with the AMD "solution" vs Nvidia 3d vision.

My setup for blu-ray playback:
Windows 7 64bit, AMD/ATI Radeon 6950, Acer H5360 3D ready projector, DLP-Link glasses, PowerDVD 10 Ultra Mk II, HDMI connection from video card direct to projector with no other displays attached. Acer is set to DLP Link Mode.

For games, basically the same as above except that you have to use either the IZ3d third party driver, or some other 3rd party driver whose name I forget at this moment.

Bottom line is that I am experiencing problems with both blu-ray 3d playback as well as gaming in 3d. And the problem with the AMD solution is that you are in between 2-3 vendors when stuff doesnt work, AMD, Iz3d, and Cyberlink. Not to mention there is no documentation or tutorials on the AMD website for how to make stuff work in 3d, anywhere that I can find.

In order to get the iz3d solution for games to work (which by the way iz3d is listed on the AMD website as one of their partners) I had to resort to a registry hack just to get it working because otherwise AQBS showed as not supported in the iz3d diagnostic and 3d didnt work at all in games. Also while the list games supported by iz3d is fairly large, ive yet to experience any real WOW moments, except for in batman AA, which is pretty decent.

For blu-ray 3d playback, even though the cyberlink bd 3d advisor says my entire ecosystem is supported, I get error messages that I do not have a 3d enabled system, and I had to resort to picking the wrong type of output (3d lcd 120hz sequential) to get a movie to play, note - Im using a 3d ready DLP projector,

Funny thing is I had intended to go with an nvidia 3d vision solution the entire time, (my projector is specifically listed as supported) but right before I got my projector, i stumbled on a great deal for the AMD 6950 and jumped on it. Anyone who would like to purchase a Sapphire radeon 6950 almost new, feel free to let me know

Paging Mosox. Mosox are ya there?lol

And you could sell the 6950 on the FS/FT forum here or on eBay. It would probably make you sick if you could see how smooth and trouble free 3d gaming is with nvidia. I am very impressed.

 

[mosox]

Every time someone doesn't join the Nvidia Rulz circle-jerk in here and talks about AMD, someone shows up with a personal experience about how much AMD sucks.

Take a look at the countless threads, "Why Does My AMD Video Card Suck So Much?"

Funny, considering that currently AMD has the only solid DX11 line while Nvidia just a couple of cards worth buying.

In order to get the iz3d solution for games to work (which by the way iz3d is listed on the AMD website as one of their partners) I had to resort to a registry hack just to get it working because otherwise AQBS showed as not supported in the iz3d diagnostic and 3d didnt work at all in games.

What you forgot to say is that you bought a projector made for Nvidia's 3D Vision and who - of course in the usual Nvidia style - has the support for the AMD 3D removed - that's why you had to use that registry hack.

The rest of your post is in the same note. If you can't setup a 3DHD, sell that card and don't buy another one, those things are too complicated for some.


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[SirPauly]

I don't think AMD sucks at all and trying to work with 3d parties to bring an open source aspect to 3d stereo. I think having universal 3d stereo abilities for consumers sounds compelling and eventually the way it may end up.

There is 3d stereo with Radeons and evolving and maturing; and as standards mature so will AMD and their partners, one may imagine.

nVidia is not all rosy and there is a lot of improving needed here as well.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I've owned a couple AMD cards and my laptop has a 5850m in it. I'll buy whatever is the best for my needs and price range regardless of brand. I do prefer nvidia cards though for several reasons. As far as 3D goes right now there is only one option IMO and it's nvidia. Unless you want to end up like dude and have to resort to registry hacks, finding a solution of why it crashed online, and lack of any support from AMD.:thumbsdown:

 

[SirPauly]

imho,

That's unfair and all one needs is a 1.4 HDMI display or the ViewSonic V3D241wm , or IZ3d proprietary monitor, etc..

Here is how quick one can receive 3d stereo gaming with a Radeon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEPl6Gt9PXY&feature=player_embedded

I'm all for awareness for 3d stereo as a whole and believe strongly about losing 2d restrictions and moving forward. nVidia has a more complete solution but glad to see AMD try to create awareness for 3d stereo and need important players in technology; to get rid of the bias, fear mongering and limitations.

 

[cyclejim]

The truth is I do now have 3d working for both blu-ray AND games with my amd setup, it was a bit of a kluge & it was harder than it needed to be. I spent about 2 hours all told getting it working. I have supported amd for years by the way.

By the way the need to try and place doubt on my pc skills was unnecessary. I can take care of myself around computers and have been involved with them for more than 20 years.

 

[apoppin]

i got this coming tomorrow

http://usa.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=4c96NLALPo3tUtn9
ASUS VG236H

Panel Size: 23" (58.4cm) Wide Screen
Color Shine Technology
True Resolution: 1920X1080
Pixel Pitch: 0.265mm
Brightness(Max): 400 cd/[FONT=&quot]㎡[/FONT]
Contrast Ratio (Max.): 100000 :1
Display Color: 16.7M
Viewing Angle (CR[FONT=&quot]≧[/FONT]10): 170°(H) /160°(V)
Response Time: 2 ms
​

The price has dropped on the complete 3D Vision Kit - now $500 from NewEgg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824236092

You can expect a 3DVision evaluation .. and i will finally have 3x1080 displays for Surround/Eyefinity evaluations (well, the center one is 24", 1920x1200, but i will run them all at 1080 and will manage)
:thumbsup:

 

[aviwil]

This article may be of interest http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/jonathan_takiff/118471499.html

 

[AtenRa]

Sorry guys but im confused,

Can i use an NV card like the GT400 series or any other with HDMI 1.4 to play 3D movies in 3D TVs with the TVs glasses ?

Currently i have the Panasonic TC-P50VT25 plasma and NV GTS450.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Sorry guys but im confused,

Can i use an NV card like the GT400 series or any other with HDMI 1.4 to play 3D movies in 3D TVs with the TVs glasses ?

Currently i have the Panasonic TC-P50VT25 plasma and NV GTS450.

There is a list of compatible hardware on nvidia's site. I can tell you your tv isn't supported though. It's only supported by 120hz pc monitors and DLP TV's. Unfortunately your tv is not capable of using a true 120hz signal. Hdmi does not have the bandwidth to output 1080p at 120hz. Claiming TV's as having 240hz or 600hz is just marketing BS because they can't even do true 120hz at 1080p.
Nice tv btw. That would be my tv of choice if I had the spare cash.

 

[Dribble]

There is a list of compatible hardware on nvidia's site. I can tell you your tv isn't supported though. It's only supported by 120hz pc monitors and DLP TV's. Unfortunately your tv is not capable of using a true 120hz signal. Hdmi does not have the bandwidth to output 1080p at 120hz. Claiming TV's as having 240hz or 600hz is just marketing BS because they can't even do true 120hz at 1080p.
Nice tv btw. That would be my tv of choice if I had the spare cash.

It is on the list of supported tv's on nvidia's site for 3DTV play, as is his graphics card. Check out 3DTV Play on the nvidia site - there's a 2 week free trial of the software, try it out.

 

[nanaki333]

i got this coming tomorrow

http://usa.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=4c96NLALPo3tUtn9
ASUS VG236H

Panel Size: 23" (58.4cm) Wide Screen
Color Shine Technology
True Resolution: 1920X1080
Pixel Pitch: 0.265mm
Brightness(Max): 400 cd/[FONT=&quot]㎡[/FONT]
Contrast Ratio (Max.): 100000 :1
Display Color: 16.7M
Viewing Angle (CR[FONT=&quot]≧[/FONT]10): 170°(H) /160°(V)
Response Time: 2 ms
​

The price has dropped on the complete 3D Vision Kit - now $500 from NewEgg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824236092

You can expect a 3DVision evaluation .. and i will finally have 3x1080 displays for Surround/Eyefinity evaluations (well, the center one is 24", 1920x1200, but i will run them all at 1080 and will manage)
:thumbsup:

the LG monitor of the same type and specs is $319 on newegg right now. 3d kit is only $124.99 on newegg. it's also cheaper to buy that asus display by itself for $349 and the 3d vision kit for $124.

 

[notty22]

3dtvplay functions with your 3dtv's glasses , the old 3d tv support list is to use directly with Nvidia's glasses/emitter. As I understand, without first hand use.

 

[apoppin]

the LG monitor of the same type and specs is $319 on newegg right now. 3d kit is only $124.99 on newegg. it's also cheaper to buy that asus display by itself for $349 and the 3d vision kit for $124.

Actually, i didn't even choose it; i just requested a 3D Vision kit and 1920x1080 120Hz display. It was sent to me as a review sample by Nvidia/ASUS. Thanks for the price tips. Prices are coming down, it seems.


So far, i like it. The 3D glasses fit nicely over my prescription glasses.
:thumbsup:

 

[nanaki333]

Actually, i didn't even choose it; i just requested a 3D Vision kit and 1920x1080 120Hz display. It was sent to me as a review sample by Nvidia/ASUS. Thanks for the price tips. Prices are coming down, it seems.


So far, i like it. The 3D glasses fit nicely over my prescription glasses.
:thumbsup:

yeah. i got one of those kits free too. gosh darn is that thing BRIGHT!