Nvidia 3D Glasses

[aviwil]

Will the Nvidia 3D Glasses and appropriate Nvidia GPU support all 3D movies , or are there all sorts of different methods out there ?
If not , what chance would you have , that a particular movie would be supported by those glasses ?

 

[Arkadrel]

I belive they all use the same "method".
The only differnce is... Nvidia made a bundle package with their name on.

vs

AMDs 3D stuff you have to buy from the monitor venders.
You can probably find a cheaper solution this way, but... nvidia has a huge following and putting its brand on a pair of glasses makes them sell better.


In all likely hood, they all do it equally well... same methodes, the differnce just being the design, the logo/brand on it, and the cost.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

You need the nvidia 3d kit (glasses and emitter), 120hz pc monitor, nvidia 3d capable graphics card, and you will have to buy 3d blu ray software such as powerdvd 10 ultra to play the 3d movies, any blu ray drive that has at least a 2x read speed. When you meet all those then yes you can play any 3d blu ray. I use it for watching 3d blu rays and playing games in 3d.

 

[aviwil]

Thanks Arkadrel and OILFIELDTRASH .
OILFIELDTRASH - so there is no good free 3D media player ?

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I belive they all use the same "method".
The only differnce is... Nvidia made a bundle package with their name on.

vs

AMDs 3D stuff you have to buy from the monitor venders.
You can probably find a cheaper solution this way, but... nvidia has a huge following and putting its brand on a pair of glasses makes them sell better.


In all likely hood, they all do it equally well... same methodes, the differnce just being the design, the logo/brand on it, and the cost.

What are you talking about? I'd like for you to put together an Amd 3d system and let me know how it works out for you being as you have no support from AMD or game developers for an Amd 3d system. Could you also let me know what software you'd be using for your 3d blu ray playback since they require nvidia 3d vision.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Thanks Arkadrel and OILFIELDTRASH .
OILFIELDTRASH - so there is no good free 3D media player ?

There isn't even any free 2d blu ray playback software. They have the powerdvd 10 ultra on sale for $75 right now. Which IMO is a heck of a deal since you get blu ray/blu ray 3d support and it will convert your dvd's to 3d which actually looks pretty cool.

 

[aviwil]

OILFIELDTRASH - to be more specific - there are excellent free 2D media players , which will play 2D bluray movies 1080 off your disc e.g. GOM, VLC , Splash . With a little playing around , they can also often , play off a bluray too ( depending ) .

 

[mosox]

1. Nvidia 3D Vision

- Proprietary solution
- Only 120Hz (no increase in 3D image quality over AMD's 60Hz because with Nvidia each eye is seeing only every other frame) 3D Vision monitors/TVs, expensive
- The glasses are proprietary, only active glasses work - strain on the eyes.
- Software - proprietary, again no alternative.
- It works.

2. AMD 3D

- open approach.
- ANY monitor with HDMI 1.4, 60Hz, 120Hz, whatever. Monitor/TV list here:
http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/amd-hd3d/pages/supported-hardware.aspx

Soon all the monitors/TVs will have HDMI 1.4, it's the new standard. No proprietary tech in those monitors and they're much cheaper.

- ANY glasses, active/passive whatever. No proprietary.
- ANY third party software. Currently 2-3 solutions, will be dozens.
- Despite what some people say on the forums the technology is here and it works. Both for Blu-Ray and for gaming. Tomshardware tested it and it was no hassle so did many people who already use it.
- No strain on the eyes by using passive glasses.

3. Sony and Panasonic developing 3D that require no glasses, might blow both out of the water.

Conclusion

Wait.

Edit. You can see the AMD solution in any theater, all the 3D movies in the cinemas use that technology.

 

[Outrage]

Could you also let me know what software you'd be using for your 3d blu ray playback since they require nvidia 3d vision.

Same as you, powerDVD, it even supports BR 3d on intels latest igp....

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Same as you, powerDVD, it even supports BR 3d on intels latest igp....

What glasses? Monitor?

 

[Arkadrel]

What are you talking about? I'd like for you to put together an Amd 3d system and let me know how it works out for you being as you have no support from AMD or game developers for an Amd 3d system. Could you also let me know what software you'd be using for your 3d blu ray playback since they require nvidia 3d vision.

Supported:
http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/amd-hd3d/pages/supported-hardware.aspx

Monitor: Sony BRAVIA 46" 3-D Ready 1080p 240Hz HDTV KDL-46NX810 ~ 1,798$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889252113&cm_re=Sony_BRAVIA_46%22_3-D_Ready-_-89-252-113-_-Product

Glasses: Sony 3D Glasses (TDGBR100) ~ 149$
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921666202157

Player: CyberLinks - PowerDVD 10 ~89$



I dont intend to buy it but I assume, if you just want to watch 3D bluray movies ect you can on AMD systems.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

1. Nvidia 3D Vision

- Proprietary solution
- Only 120Hz (no increase in 3D image quality over AMD's 60Hz because with Nvidia each eye is seeing only every other frame) 3D Vision monitors/TVs, expensive
- The glasses are proprietary, only active glasses work - strain on the eyes.
- Software - proprietary, again no alternative.
- It works.

2. AMD 3D

- open approach.
- ANY monitor with HDMI 1.4, 60Hz, 120Hz, whatever. Monitor/TV list here:
http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/amd-hd3d/pages/supported-hardware.aspx

Soon all the monitors/TVs will have HDMI 1.4, it's the new standard. No proprietary tech in those monitors and they're much cheaper.

- ANY glasses, active/passive whatever. No proprietary.
- ANY third party software. Currently 2-3 solutions, will be dozens.
- Despite what some people say on the forums the technology is here and it works. Both for Blu-Ray and for gaming. Tomshardware tested it and it was no hassle so did many people who already use it.
- No strain on the eyes by using passive glasses.

3. Sony and Panasonic developing 3D that require no glasses, might blow both out of the water.

Conclusion

Wait.

Edit. You can see the AMD solution in any theater, all the 3D movies in the cinemas use that technology.

So basically AMD's solution is hack job open software? Not to mention no games are supported for it. No thanks. Nvidia has a track record of working with developers and having solid driver support. AMD isn't even willing to develop the software themselves and instead is leaving it up to the freeware community to develop a solution for AMD 3D. Yeah nothing can go wrong with this approach.

 

[Arkadrel]

@OilFieldTrash

under games titles for HD3D AMD has a tiny list that shows:

• Batman: Arkham Asylum
• Call of Duty 4 - Modern Warfare
• Call of Duty: World at War
• Far Cry 2 DX9
• Fear 2
• Left 4 Dead 2
• Mirror's Edge
• Resident Evil 5
• World of Warcraft

So Im assumeing all those will work in 3D gameing... does it support more games (that just arnt Listed?) ? hell if I know.

1.Games. All the 3D games are working on AMD. There's no specific game for this or that hardware 3D solution from what I know. If you know any. tell us.
http://www.amd.com/us/products/techn...es/gaming.aspx

Guess thats that then.

 

[SirPauly]

1. Nvidia 3D Vision

- Proprietary solution
- Only 120Hz (no increase in 3D image quality over AMD's 60Hz because with Nvidia each eye is seeing only every other frame) 3D Vision monitors/TVs, expensive
- The glasses are proprietary, only active glasses work - strain on the eyes.
- Software - proprietary, again no alternative.
- It works.

2. AMD 3D

- open approach.
- ANY monitor with HDMI 1.4, 60Hz, 120Hz, whatever. Monitor/TV list here:
http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/amd-hd3d/pages/supported-hardware.aspx

Soon all the monitors/TVs will have HDMI 1.4, it's the new standard. No proprietary tech in those monitors and they're much cheaper.

- ANY glasses, active/passive whatever. No proprietary.
- ANY third party software. Currently 2-3 solutions, will be dozens.
- Despite what some people say on the forums the technology is here and it works. Both for Blu-Ray and for gaming. Tomshardware tested it and it was no hassle so did many people who already use it.
- No strain on the eyes by using passive glasses.

3. Sony and Panasonic developing 3D that require no glasses, might blow both out of the water.

Conclusion

Wait.

Edit. You can see the AMD solution in any theater, all the 3D movies in the cinemas use that technology.

The problem that you're not mentioning and the reason for proprietary is; the proprietary allows for full resolution 3d stereo gaming and the standard at this time does not. The HDMI standards need to evolve and mature more to allow full resolution 3d stereo for gaming.

 

[mosox]

So basically AMD's solution is hack job open software? Not to mention no games are supported for it. No thanks. Nvidia has a track record of working with developers and having solid driver support. AMD isn't even willing to develop the software themselves and instead is leaving it up to the freeware community to develop a solution for AMD 3D. Yeah nothing can go wrong with this approach.

1.Games. All the 3D games are working on AMD. There's no specific game for this or that hardware 3D solution from what I know. If you know any. tell us.
http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/amd-hd3d/pages/gaming.aspx

2. Yeah, I want my DVD writer to work only with a proprietary non free software. Also I don't want my sound card to work with Winamp or Foobar, I'd like to have to pay for the software and with no alternative too. A single player, whether I like it or not. You should be glad your LAN Chipset isn't furnished by Nvidia, they might not like this site and prevent you from using it.

 

[Dribble]

OILFIELDTRASH - to be more specific - there are excellent free 2D media players , which will play 2D bluray movies 1080 off your disc e.g. GOM, VLC , Splash . With a little playing around , they can also often , play off a bluray too ( depending ) .

I never knew any of them could play a standard protected blu ray disk?

Can you give me some links, I have a laptop with bluray and I use the acer included software which isn't very powerful. If something better is out there I'll use it?

 

[notty22]

Same as you, powerDVD, it even supports BR 3d on intels latest igp....

Nvmind , here is the hardware support.

Also Nvidia gpu's work with your 3D TV and its 3d TV glasses. With speciific software : 3d TV play

http://www.cyberlink.com/products/powerdvd/hardware-support_en_US.html


edit : I removed that wall of text, easier to go look at the site. It mentions 1.4a support over AMD and the Intel IGP, but I've never read of anyone successfully getting 3d working.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

1.Games. All the 3D games are working on AMD. There's no specific game for this or that hardware 3D solution from what I know. If you know any. tell us.
http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/amd-hd3d/pages/gaming.aspx

Here is a quote from Anandtech's review of the asus 120hz screen.

But what about NVIDIA’s 3D Vision Ready titles? New games designed for 3D? I decided to try a little experiment. I decided I would play Metro 2033 through, beginning to end, entirely in 3D. I would then repeat the same thing in 2D and see what I thought.

I want a 120Hz 3D monitor and kit of my own now.

The difference in the 3D experience here compared to ‘good’ or even ‘excellent’ titles is mind-blowing. What makes Metro 2033 a particularly good example is how everything is 3D. The initial menu screen is 3D, everything is 3D. There isn’t a jarring difference between content that obviously was never intended to be viewed in 3D and the rest of the game - in Metro 2033 it just works.

here's the list
3d vision ready titles at the top.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-3d-games.html

 

[SirPauly]

1.Games. All the 3D games are working on AMD. There's no specific game for this or that hardware 3D solution from what I know. If you know any. tell us.
http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/amd-hd3d/pages/gaming.aspx

2. Yeah, I want my DVD writer to work only with a proprietary non free software. Also I don't want my sound card to work with Winamp or Foobar, I'd like to have to pay for the software and with no alternative too. A single player, whether I like it or not. You should be glad your LAN Chipset isn't furnished by Nvidia, they might not like this site and prevent you from using it.

Again, what you fail to mention is full resolution 3d stereo.

 

[notty22]

Good article.
3D Gaming Gets More Affordable

The technology is built into the Drivers, not the card.

that is why you can get nowhere with AMD right now.

 

[mosox]

Again, what you fail to mention is full resolution 3d stereo.

I would if I knew what is that.

Anyway, if Nvidia splits the 3D gaming according to the hardware used, it would be the lowest thing they've ever done and they're no saints either.

Reason enough for all the gamers out there (including the Nvidia fans) to boycott them into bankruptcy. We can't allow that, it's against our basic interests. For this game you need an AMD card, for that one, Nvidia. Ludicrous.

Not to mention the possibility that one of them establishes a monopoly on 3D technology by using proprietary stuff and accomplice game developers? Welcome $500 weak video cards.

And that's why I always support anything open source, it saves my money and it's in my interest.

 

[SirPauly]

What the HDMI standard does is allow for 24hz per eye at 1080p and 60hz per eye at 720p!

What the proprietary does is allow for 60hz per eye at 1080p.

 

[mosox]

In Nvidia 3D Vision the double refresh rate is only needed because each frame is displayed twice because each frame stays twice as long.

AMD (Both eyes) Frame 1, frame 2, 3,4, etc like in any 2D movie

Nvidia:
Left eye: sees Frame 1
Right eye: Frame 2 while left eye frame 1 again (refreshed)
Left eye: Frame 3 while right eye frame 2 refreshed.

and so on.

Bottom line for Nvidia you need twice the refresh rate to see the same thing. If AMD has 24hz per eye at 1080p then Nvidia has really 30hz per eye at 1080p (60/2). 120 Hz is split in two (two eyes) and again in two for each eye (double 30Hz frame).

Edit: Or call it 60Hz frame, whatever (it's the same still image so it's only a frame) but remember, that 60Hz frame stays twice as long on the screen so it's equivalent with a 30Hz frame that stays half the time.

 

[SirPauly]

It's HDMI, not AMD. It's 60hz per eye at 1080P with the proprietary.

 

[mosox]

It's HDMI, not AMD. It's 60hz per eye at 1080P with the proprietary.

Yes, it's 60 hz per eye and the frame lasts twice as much on the screen. Because of this there's an extra refresh in the middle of the frame. That's why Nvidia doesn't work on cheaper 60hz monitors, it would be the equivalent of a 30hz monitor with AMD.

For the games, a 60Hz display would require a video card twice as fast for Nvidia than for AMD in order to be just as playable. That's why the went 120Hz, it's a necessity not some awesome feature.