NV G84/G86 may all be bad even desktop.

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: shangshang
even if what the INQ said is grossly exaggerated or even outright untrue, it would still be very hard for NV to sue the INQ for actual damages in court. NV would need to prove that somehow the words of the INQ led to the loss of sales and incomes. The First Amend gives INQ a lot of leeway and puts the burden of proof on NV. If it was easy for NV to sue, then they would have already. But this applies for US parties. Isn't the INQ based in the UK or something? If that's the case, then it'll only make it more difficult for NV to sue them. NV ain't suing nobody.

And you know this how?

You have heard the phrase "any publicity is good publicity" before haven't you?

 

[bjbrock]

Show me a couple of Inq articles that prove to be untrue. I have yet to find one. You could be sued by the Inq as easy as the Inq could be sued by NV.

NV has bad parts. It's all over the Internet.

 

[abubakarm]

I have been using a dell vostro 1500 since december 07, which has a 8400gs. Never had any problem, works perfect.

 

[Nathelion]

Originally posted by: shangshang
even if what the INQ said is grossly exaggerated or even outright untrue, it would still be very hard for NV to sue the INQ for actual damages in court. NV would need to prove that somehow the words of the INQ led to the loss of sales and incomes. The First Amend gives INQ a lot of leeway and puts the burden of proof on NV. If it was easy for NV to sue, then they would have already. But this applies for US parties. Isn't the INQ based in the UK or something? If that's the case, then it'll only make it more difficult for NV to sue them. NV ain't suing nobody.

It will be especially difficult to sue considering the Inq's past track record. I mean... a news outlet that specializes in unsubstantiated rumor and good old bunk? Yeah, they caused a huge dent in nVidia's bottom line... riiight.

 

[apoppin]

Well it's true

http://mobile.slashdot.org/art...08/01/0142219&from=rss

"An estimated 18 million laptops with NVidia G84 and G86 graphics chips sold in the past one and a half years are experiencing high failure rates. Various laptop models from multiple manufacturers (Apple, Dell, HP, Lenovo, and others) are affected. NVidia blames it on bad chip packaging causing thermal failure. BIOS updates that turn the laptop fan on more frequently or permanently have been released by Dell and HP. The cynical interpretation is that this is likely to only delay the problem until the warranty has expired."

earlier

http://www.eetimes.com/news/se...ml?articleID=208802249
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2...vidia_forecast_glitch/


finally the Inq says it is gonna bankrupt Nvidia

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/...s-half-nvidia-problems

So, $150 per dead part, $150-200 million total. That means 1-1.33 million dead parts that they are admitting to. Small batch, our flabby posterior. Moving on, there are about 250 million computers sold worldwide per year, and about half of those are laptops. The bad chips, G84 and G86 among others, were sold for about 16 months, so 250 million / 2 * 1.33 = 166 million laptops or so in the time period.

Nvidia had about a 70 per cent mobile market share, and laptops have about a 30 per cent GPU attach rate. 166 million * .7 * .3 ~= 35million parts sold into laptops. Of that, not all are the officially 'affected' parts, several lines and older products don't have the same tendency for early death. Another educated estimate says about half the parts are potentially affected, lets call it 18 million bad parts. That would put the admitted failure rate at between five and eight per cent so far.

Using the high number of eight per cent and the low number of $150 million, we can figure out that the the total cost of a recall, again with NV paying only half, is around (100/8)*$150 million = $1.875 billion. Nvidia only has about $1.6 billion in the bank, so this could put a crimp on the decoration at the company non-denominational winter festivities party that does not endorse or disclaim any particular faith, religion, or point of view.

Basically, what it looks like is a recall could bankrupt Nvidia, even if they only pay half. They are quite desperate to minimise this and shut things up because they know what happens if it gets out. It is out, and why they keep continuing to pretend is beyond us, but that is corporate culture for you.

. . .

In any case, the numbers in the end don't lie. Nvidia is admitting responsibility by paying half of HPs cost, and getting twitchy about the cost of having to fix the real problem. Won't it be interesting to see how this ends up? And if Nvidia survives.

my partner Dave's wife has one of these f'dup notebooks
-at least we are keeping up

 

[Bateluer]

This is a hell of a stumble for Nvidia, their worst since the GF FX days.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
This is a hell of a stumble for Nvidia, their worst since the GF FX days.

This should be stickied.

18 million laptops affected. :shocked:

I was wondering why my wife's laptop kept shutting down.

I was blaming the intel CPU for overheating but it turns out to be the Video chip.

 

[seemingly random]

nvidia's fall is surprising and pretty freakin amazing - spectacular really. Don't know if they're really going down the tubes but things don't look good. The worst part about this is that the inquirer was right, who would've guessed.

 

[xCxStylex]

I think this is the same issue, my apologies if it's not.

article on Dell laptops with overheating nvidia gpus

http://www.informationweek.com...ml?articleID=209800513

 

[spittledip]

Ug, what horrible news. I am guessing and hoping that they will come out of this alright. If nothing else, someone will buy them up and clean them up maybe?

 

[n7]

I posted in the other threads with regards to this IIRC.

I send out likely around 5 or more dead HP notebooks back to HP every week. (At my werk.)
They replace the motherboard...it just happens 98% of the time, it's an nForce chipset... (No, that's not coincidence)

Then we have the topic this thread is about.

Then we have the lovely GTX 280s, of which your odds of getting a bad one are remarkably high (i've gotten two bad; none good so far).

I won't say more.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

does this afftect Laptops with dual graphics such as an Intel IGP + 8400M which can be turned on and off to save battery?

 

[shangshang]

1. The INQ. is the electronic equivalent of a typical gutter British tabloid, like People Magazine in the US. If you guys don't trust People, then you should trust the INQ. I'm constantly surprised that knowledgable posters are still using them as a news source. If anything, it makes YOU look bad, not the Inq.

2. Now just because they are a gutter tabloid, doesn't mean that they are completely wrong. They will be sued to the hilt if they completely fabricated a story. But what the Inq. is doing is that they are walking in a gray area... where they'll stretch the truth a bit, or a lot... and they will have some "freedom of the press" and "freedom of speech" to do that. NV can't simply sue the Inq. because the Inq. speculate on what could be wrong at NV headquater. The Inq does have the righ to speculate about a company. The only way I see NV being able to sue the Inq. is if the Inq. purposely spread completely FALSE rumor about NV and at the same time invovled in some sort of scheme to gain financially at if NV goes down. This is not easy to prove in court. And on top of it, the Inq is based in Britian, and I think over there in the UK, the gutter tabloids do have a lot of freedom to bs.

 

[Chiropteran]

Originally posted by: shangshang
The INQ.
...
Now just because they are a gutter tabloid, doesn't mean that they are completely wrong.

As opposed to other sources, for example YOU, where we know you are completely wrong.

 

[shangshang]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran

Originally posted by: shangshang
The INQ.
...
Now just because they are a gutter tabloid, doesn't mean that they are completely wrong.

As opposed to other sources, for example YOU, where we know you are completely wrong.

it's not healthy to fixate on ME!

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: shangshang
...
2. Now just because they are a gutter tabloid, doesn't mean that they are completely wrong.
...

Like Fox News. You just have to consider the source. And it can be entertaining.

If I heard that everyone should buy a certain stock on a forum, I would not necessarily buy (on the contrary, I would probably wait a few days and then sell). On the other hand, if I owned nvidia stock I might start whining about negative news coverage.