NV CEO goes at it again

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Originally posted by: nRollo
Could you please share with us what any competing company has that can match these four products in the $100-$250 price range, or perhaps edit your post?

I didn't imply that NVIDIA's unrivaled position at the top-end has little or no relevance to the situation at those particular price points based on spot-check retailer-specific limited time, not valid in combination with any other offer, void where prohibited by law, limit one per household, competitive promotional pricing for today. You moron.

In general, as NVIDIA and ATI competitively adjust pricing over the course of a product cycle, one could not default to NVIDIA at every price point and reliably come away more often than not with the superior product simply because you can do so at the top-end receiving all the press and chatter.

In fact, it is simply a stroke of luck for you that this conversation happened today. At numerous times over the past several weeks, the ATI 2600XT, 3850, 3870, or 3870 X2 would have been the 'undeniably best card at' one or more price points between $100 and $300.

I don't see any reason we need to make the forum a worse place by starting calling each other names, do you tcssenter?

I disagree with your "stroke of luck" we're talking today assertion as well.

The pricing isn't "today only" and it's hardly unique.

8800GTs have been the undisputed "bang for buck" leader since launch, at least until the 9600GT launched.

Your assertion that only less saavy users buy NVIDIA because they lead at the top end is misleading to those who don't know better.

Maybe you should read some articles on the site you're on, like this one:

NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT: The Only Card That Matters

That article was written in October 2007, when yes, the 8800GT was undeniably the best value - the HD 2900XT was still $350+ and the 8800GTS 640MB $300+; then came the 8800GT at a $250 price point. Citing a 6.5 month old article in reference to the GPU market today is not valid.

When the HD 3870 launched, it was a better value than the 8800GT. For example I paid $300 for my 8800GT in November '07, when I could have purchased an HD 3870 for $220. Certainly the 3870 is slower, but not so much that the 8800GT was a better value.

Even now there are plenty of situations where AMD has a better lineup - the HD 2600XT cards are great values in the sub $100 territory, and the 3870 X2 is arguably a better value than the 9800GX2. You can get a 3870 X2 for $329.99 AR, meanwhile the cheapest 9800GX2 I can find is $500.

Citing a 6.5 month old article is very valid. He said "I'm lucky we're talking today", I showed we could have talked 6.5 months ago as well.

The 8800GT reached the same price point (or less) as the 3870 long ago. The 9600GT pretty much made every other $100-$150 video card irrelevant.

It's even competitve at times with AMDs flagship single core GPU, and it's a bargain part for NVIDIA.

To say only "less saavy" people buy non-top end NVIDIA is just wrong, and I've proved this irrefutably.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: JPB
<You can get a 3870 X2 for $329.99 AR, meanwhile the cheapest 9800GX2 I can find is $500.

:thumbsup:[/quote]

The 9800GX2 is a bargain comparatively as it outperforms 3-4 3870 cores in a single slot.

HD3870X2 Quad-CrossfireX smasher: GeForce 9800GX2

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: JPB
<<You can get a 3870 X2 for $329.99 AR, meanwhile the cheapest 9800GX2 I can find is $500.

:thumbsup:

The 9800GX2 is a bargain comparatively as it outperforms 3-4 3870 cores in a single slot.

HD3870X2 Quad-CrossfireX smasher: GeForce 9800GX2




[/quote]

Who said anything about buying 2 3870 X2's? I was clearly talking about a single 3870 X2 vs a single 9800 GX2, both of which are the fastest setups which make sense at this point.

A 9800GX2 is not 52% faster than the 3870 X2 on average, yet it costs 52% more.

 

[Mr Fox]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: JPB
<<<You can get a 3870 X2 for $329.99 AR, meanwhile the cheapest 9800GX2 I can find is $500.

:thumbsup:

The 9800GX2 is a bargain comparatively as it outperforms 3-4 3870 cores in a single slot.

HD3870X2 Quad-CrossfireX smasher: GeForce 9800GX2

Your link is Broken

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Even now there are plenty of situations where AMD has a better lineup - the HD 2600XT cards are great values in the sub $100 territory, and the 3870 X2 is arguably a better value than the 9800GX2. You can get a 3870 X2 for $329.99 AR, meanwhile the cheapest 9800GX2 I can find is $500.

So I guess this and a slowing market help explain Jen's strange behaviour. He is acting like a whiney whiner that is feeling the pressure. Really the advent of a plethora of sub $200 cards that play current games nicely, is killing top end. This is a result of huge competition and games made for consoles.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Mr Fox
Your link is Broken

Works for me.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Even now there are plenty of situations where AMD has a better lineup - the HD 2600XT cards are great values in the sub $100 territory, and the 3870 X2 is arguably a better value than the 9800GX2. You can get a 3870 X2 for $329.99 AR, meanwhile the cheapest 9800GX2 I can find is $500.

So I guess this and a slowing market help explain Jen's strange behaviour. He is acting like a whiney whiner that is feeling the pressure. Really the advent of a plethora of sub $200 cards that play current games nicely, is killing top end. This is a result of huge competition and games made for consoles.

Jen's behavior isn't "strange", it's "aggressive". most people are intimidated by intel, microsoft, the bully next door, etc. Jen-Hsun Huang wants to kick the bully's ass and is one of the few people in the industry who can get away with making statements like he has recently. Huang is the driving force behind a company that went from nothing to $20 billion in market capitalization in 15 years...maybe intel should be worried about HIM.

Having said all that, I still hope that rv770 gives enthusiasts a viable alternative to gt200. as we've seen time and time again, lack of competition is bad for all of us.

 

[Hauk]

You have to give credit.. brass iron balls and a tenaciousness to survive are what it takes, to thrive. Megas like Intel and Microsoft exist and can do so without revalations for years on end. ATI and nV don't share the same luxury. Their business is like the auto industry. It takes new models each year to survive.

You have to give credit to nVidia and ATI. It may seem like a game sometimes; but we're the players! Personally, I like it. I've played it for years..

 

[vanvock]

Originally posted by: sgrinavi

Originally posted by: lopri


In my opinion, at some point - hopefully sooner than later - the government should wake up and level the playing field. Computers are no longer a luxury but a commodity, just like electricity, food, or telecommunication, etc.

Ya.. no...

We do not need to add a couple layers of bureaucracy to the process of getting chips on the street; do you want to double the cost and triple the time it takes for a product to get to the street? That is the way to do it -- OR, worse yet if we take away the incentive to create bigger and better processors then kiss your cheap, fast systems good bye.

Free market works, sooner or later someone will come up with a better mousetrap.

Some folks think that more government is the answer for everything.

 

[bryanW1995]

I hope that intel treads very carefully for these next few years. They have a very real chance of driving their lone competition out of business. The doj will probably leave intel alone as long as amd survives, but if competition completely goes away then it'll be hard for them to continue "ignoring". it's easy to pile on intel/nvidia/microsoft/etc, yet given a choice I'd prefer to have a company from my own country in a dominant tech industry position than a company from japan/s korea/taiwan/europe/etc. Look at the auto industry, how much breathing room do gm/ford/chrysler get in japan? Even back when the big 3 dominated the global auto business, japan's protectionist government made it nearly impossible for them to gain a toehold there. What about gaming consoles? I'm not trying to go nemesis and all, but how many xbox 360/xbox/mercedes/bmw/ford/gm/etc items TOTAL get sold a year in japan? Anyway, I don't have anything personal against japan or any other country for that matter, but I do think that a reasonably level playing field is in all of our best interest.

 

[lopri]

I can think of two important factors to level the playing field so that competition thrives and consumers benefit.

1) Limited right for technology related patents - Technology advances at much faster pace than anything else. Having an exclusive of popular technology even for a couple years will give an enormous benefit. Tech-related patents should be treated drastically different from everything else, IMO.

2) Standard that everyone should follow - It's a critical environment for competition. I was hoping (how dumb) the FSB license disappears as Nehalem arrives, only to realize even more ridiculous licensing strategy from Intel. Think about it - everyone has to comply with industry standards. DDR, PCIe, SATA, USB,.. No matter how good your idea is, if your product doesn't conform to the standard your product is useless. Intel is the only one that gets away without such restrictions and benefits from such environment. Not only they have no standard to follow, but also they make standards that everyone has to follow - and they earn money out of it or sometimes screw up the industry. A recent example Click

I also blame the tech journalists who have failed to point this out strongly. They have rather been cheering it up under the name of 'innovation', when the innovation can come much more lively if there are more competition.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
would you buy an nvidia chipset if intel had sli? would ANYBODY? no offense, but intel has a little bit of an advantage when building chipsets for intel cpus. I don't blame nvidia for not licensing sli to everybody, but I DO blame them for building crappy chipsets for intel systems and then charging huge premiums for them.

Well, they would have to add value above and beyond just SLI to make their chipsets a worthwhile option. I think they are already working on that with Hybrid SLI. When NVIDIA comes out with Hybrid SLI for an Intel chip, I will most definitely be interested in it. I just bought a Q9450 so it isn't really a reasonable idea for me to switch to the Phenom platform just to get Hybrid SLI capability, but I am very interested in this idea.

The incentive for buying a NVIDIA chipset and gpu should be that they give you a value above and beyond a NVIDIA gpu and competitor's chipset because of a superior technological implementation. A synthetic licensing agreement that prohibits technically compatible components from functioning as they should is BS. The only requirement for SLI should be two identical NVIDIA cards and a motherboard with dual PEG slots. Conversely, I'd like to see NVIDIA get a fair crack at the x86 (EMT64/x86-64) market as well.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Jen's behavior isn't "strange", it's "aggressive". most people are intimidated by intel, microsoft, the bully next door, etc. Jen-Hsun Huang wants to kick the bully's ass and is one of the few people in the industry who can get away with making statements like he has recently. Huang is the driving force behind a company that went from nothing to $20 billion in market capitalization in 15 years...maybe intel should be worried about HIM.

Having said all that, I still hope that rv770 gives enthusiasts a viable alternative to gt200. as we've seen time and time again, lack of competition is bad for all of us.

He sounds alot like amd and that didn't work out so well. In all fairness outside of his they control the industry sob story, he added some pr patter about spending more on the gpu than the cpu. As if most will do that. Biting the intel hand is strange....

 

[bryanW1995]

intel and nvidia are NOT friends, they probably consider each other much more of a threat than either does with daamit.