Nurse Denied Promotion Over Her Pro-Life Views, Sues Illinois College

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: alchemize


He's got a point there - she's legally protected. I didn't even know that existed in Illinois law. Not really different than protecting bisexuals and crossdressers, also protected under Illinois law.

745 ILCS 30/0.01
Sec. 0.01. Short title. This Act may be cited as the Abortion Performance Refusal Act.
(Source: P.A. 86-1324.)

(c) Any person, association, partnership or corporation that discriminates against another person in any way, including, but not limited to, hiring, promotion, advancement, transfer, licensing, granting of hospital privileges, or staff appointments, because of that person's refusal to recommend, perform or assist in the performance of an abortion, whether such abortion be a crime or not, shall be answerable in civil damages equal to 3 times the amount of proved damages, but in no case less than $2,000.

I guess all the foaming at the mouth shreiking liberals can wipe the slobber off their sneakers now.

Good catch. But there's still this:

EIU spokeswoman Vicki Woodard, told the Associated Press that "the reason Andrea Nead was not hired was unrelated to dispensing the morning-after pill.''

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Riprorin
You don't consider the Classical Hippocratic Oath one of the "finest traditions"?

The Hippocratic Oath applies to doctors. They are licensed to specify medical procedures and pharmaceutical medication.

Nurses are not licensed or otherwise legally recognized as qualified to override or negate the doctor's instructions and directives. It's black letter law.

If this nurse doesn't like what she has to do in the course of performing her duties, she should quit. If she can't do that, she should be fired for insubordination, incompetence or both.

In 1893, Mrs. Lystra E. Gretter and the Farrand Training School for Nurses wrote an adaptation of the physician's Hippocratic Oath for nurses. It was named the Florence Nightingale Pledge in honor of the esteemed founder of nursing.
This pledge is most often recited at graduation/pinning ceremonies for nurses. It is also often included in programs honoring nurses during Nurses Week (May 6-12)or on Nurses Day (May 6). May 12 is the birthdate of Nurse Nightingale..

The Florence Nightingale Pledge
I solemnly pledge myself before God and in the presence of this assembly, to pass my life in purity and to practice my profession faithfully. I will abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous, and will not take or knowingly administer any harmful drug. I will do all in my power to maintain and elevate the standard of my profession, and will hold in confidence all personal matters committed to my keeping and all family affairs coming to my knowledge in the practice of my calling. With loyalty will I endeavor to aid the physician in his work, and devote myself to the welfare of those committed to my care.

Link

In the first place, all she does is hand out the pill, she's not forcing it down her throat, so she's not administering it. In the second place, she has no idea if it's going to do any harm, so she can't be knowingly administering it.

 

[DealMonkey]

This exact sort of crap is why I can't wait until Congress passes the ALPhA ... or the Access to Legal Pharmaceuticals Act. We need strong federal legislation to keep religious extremists doing their jobs and to stop them from imposing their ridiculous religious beliefs on other people.

 

[Pliablemoose]

I agree with Rip, if pharmacists are allowed to not dispense pills that conflict with their beliefs, nurses also deserve that right.

All nursing policies I'v run across for the last 10 years have a clause that allows them to object to a request that violates their religeous beliefs. They are also obligated to contact their supervisor about the refusal immediately.

All the college has to do is work out a solution like having the physician or another nurse dispense the medication.

The woman will win the lawsuit & cost taxpayers & students an assload of $.

<--I'm a nurse & I personally have not a problem in the world with dispensing the morning after pill, frankly I think it should be OTC in the US as it is in many other countries. BTW, the MAP is really nearly a Week After Pill but if the MAP were made OTC, then the anti abortionists would have a hard time bombing all the places that could sell it.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: alchemize


He's got a point there - she's legally protected. I didn't even know that existed in Illinois law. Not really different than protecting bisexuals and crossdressers, also protected under Illinois law.

745 ILCS 30/0.01
Sec. 0.01. Short title. This Act may be cited as the Abortion Performance Refusal Act.
(Source: P.A. 86-1324.)

(c) Any person, association, partnership or corporation that discriminates against another person in any way, including, but not limited to, hiring, promotion, advancement, transfer, licensing, granting of hospital privileges, or staff appointments, because of that person's refusal to recommend, perform or assist in the performance of an abortion, whether such abortion be a crime or not, shall be answerable in civil damages equal to 3 times the amount of proved damages, but in no case less than $2,000.

I guess all the foaming at the mouth shreiking liberals can wipe the slobber off their sneakers now.

Good catch. But there's still this:

EIU spokeswoman Vicki Woodard, told the Associated Press that "the reason Andrea Nead was not hired was unrelated to dispensing the morning-after pill.''

Well of course, they aren't going to admit that 😀 That would be pretty quick trial if they admitted they violated the statute 😀

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I agree with Rip, if pharmacists are allowed to not dispense pills that conflict with their beliefs, nurses also deserve that right.

Did you happen to miss this?

On Friday, Governor Rod Blagojevich issued an emergency executive order requiring all state pharmacists to fill prescriptions for such drugs. Blagojevich's order takes effect for 150 days while his administration pursues putting a permanent rule in place.

Pharmacists in Illinois are NOT allowed to refuse to fill legal prescriptions.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Pharmacists in Illinois are NOT allowed to refuse to fill legal prescriptions.

Nor should they be. Pharmacists are well trained to recognize when a physician may have mis-specified a medication, and as a safety check, they can call the prescribing physician to confirm the prescription. Once that's done, their job is to provide the medication prescribed by the physician, not to over-ride or challenge the prescription based on their own beliefs.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: Riprorin
So you think a health care provider should be fired for refusing to kill a baby?

If it's legal to kill a baby and the doctor orders it? Yes.

Rip, do you think you could be a Nurse with your beliefs???

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Pharmacists in Illinois are NOT allowed to refuse to fill legal prescriptions.

Nor should they be. Pharmasists are well trained to recognize when a physician may have mis-specified a medication, and as a safety check, they can call the prescribing physician to confirm the prescription. Once that's done, their job is to provide the medication prescribed by the physician, not to over-ride or challenge the prescription based on their own beliefs.

Not going to admit you were wrong on either of your posts, eh? can we call you ROBO-HARVEY? 😉

So, when a not-for-profit institution, such as a catholic hospital, has a pharmacy - do you believe it should be legally forced to carry and dispense MAP's and birth control?

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: Riprorin
So you think a health care provider should be fired for refusing to kill a baby?

If it's legal to kill a baby and the doctor orders it? Yes.

Rip, do you think you could be a Nurse with your beliefs???

Sure, why not?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Pharmacists in Illinois are NOT allowed to refuse to fill legal prescriptions.

Nor should they be. Pharmasists are well trained to recognize when a physician may have mis-specified a medication, and as a safety check, they can call the prescribing physician to confirm the prescription. Once that's done, their job is to provide the medication prescribed by the physician, not to over-ride or challenge the prescription based on their own beliefs.

Not going to admit you were wrong on either of your posts, eh? can we call you ROBO-HARVEY? 😉

So, when a not-for-profit institution, such as a catholic hospital, has a pharmacy - do you believe it should be legally forced to carry and dispense MAP's and birth control?

Are there any of those left in the health care industry?

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Sure, why not?

Dude, you would be crawling on the ground with your eyes sealed shut. And in Illinois, it seems, you'd be getting payed for it.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Pharmacists in Illinois are NOT allowed to refuse to fill legal prescriptions.

Nor should they be. Pharmasists are well trained to recognize when a physician may have mis-specified a medication, and as a safety check, they can call the prescribing physician to confirm the prescription. Once that's done, their job is to provide the medication prescribed by the physician, not to over-ride or challenge the prescription based on their own beliefs.

Not going to admit you were wrong on either of your posts, eh? can we call you ROBO-HARVEY? 😉

So, when a not-for-profit institution, such as a catholic hospital, has a pharmacy - do you believe it should be legally forced to carry and dispense MAP's and birth control?

Are there any of those left in the health care industry?

Um, that's a huge portion of the hospital industry. Never heard of "Methodist XXX Hospital" or "St. XXX Hospital"?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: alchemize
So, when a not-for-profit institution, such as a catholic hospital, has a pharmacy - do you believe it should be legally forced to carry and dispense MAP's and birth control?

The odds on a doctor at a Catholic institution prescribing them is pretty low, but if the doc prescribes them, then YES.

Bottom line -- The doctor's job is to prescribe medical treatment. It is not the job of any other health care worker to negate the doctor's orders. There is no alernative. There is no maybe. If they can't accept that, they should not take the job. If they take the job and can't do it fully and completely, they should quit or be fired.

 

[jimkyser]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

In 1893, Mrs. Lystra E. Gretter and the Farrand Training School for Nurses wrote an adaptation of the physician's Hippocratic Oath for nurses. It was named the Florence Nightingale Pledge in honor of the esteemed founder of nursing.
This pledge is most often recited at graduation/pinning ceremonies for nurses. It is also often included in programs honoring nurses during Nurses Week (May 6-12)or on Nurses Day (May 6). May 12 is the birthdate of Nurse Nightingale..

The Florence Nightingale Pledge
I solemnly pledge myself before God and in the presence of this assembly, to pass my life in purity and to practice my profession faithfully. I will abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous, and will not take or knowingly administer any harmful drug. I will do all in my power to maintain and elevate the standard of my profession, and will hold in confidence all personal matters committed to my keeping and all family affairs coming to my knowledge in the practice of my calling. With loyalty will I endeavor to aid the physician in his work, and devote myself to the welfare of those committed to my care.

Link

Same principles, it's just an adaptation.

And it's just as out of touch with modern medicine as the classical Hippocratic Oath. What about chemo, Rip? It is a VERY HARMFUL drug. It kills off all fast growing cells, not just the cancerous ones. That's why your hair falls out. Do you want all the cancer patients who currently have 75+ percent chances of living to just be allowed to die because we need to follow an oath that's over 100 years old and competly out of touch?

But you haven't responded to my comment on the similar text in the classical Hippocratic Oath either. You just keep saying what a 'fine tradition' it is. Yep, a fine tradition to let people die instead of saving them because that would require use of a very poisonous drug.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: jimkyser

Haha, Rip didn't answer the first time, so you just tried asking right over again? That really made me crack up.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Pharmacists in Illinois are NOT allowed to refuse to fill legal prescriptions.

Nor should they be. Pharmasists are well trained to recognize when a physician may have mis-specified a medication, and as a safety check, they can call the prescribing physician to confirm the prescription. Once that's done, their job is to provide the medication prescribed by the physician, not to over-ride or challenge the prescription based on their own beliefs.

Not going to admit you were wrong on either of your posts, eh? can we call you ROBO-HARVEY? 😉

So, when a not-for-profit institution, such as a catholic hospital, has a pharmacy - do you believe it should be legally forced to carry and dispense MAP's and birth control?

Are there any of those left in the health care industry?

Um, that's a huge portion of the hospital industry. Never heard of "Methodist XXX Hospital" or "St. XXX Hospital"?

Around my area, they've all been sold or merged with "for profit" hospitals. I thought that must have happened all over the country. I guess I don't get out enough.

 

[jimkyser]

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: jimkyser

Haha, Rip didn't answer the first time, so you just tried asking right over again? That really made me crack up.

He quoted another outdated oath with the same problems and held it up in the same manner as a wonderful thing. So he getsthe same comeback until he deals with it.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: jimkyser

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: jimkyser

Haha, Rip didn't answer the first time, so you just tried asking right over again? That really made me crack up.

He quoted another outdated oath with the same problems and held it up in the same manner as a wonderful thing. So he getsthe same comeback until he deals with it.

No, no, I completely agree with the way you handled it. Most people don't even try to take such a direct approach with Rip.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: alchemize


He's got a point there - she's legally protected. I didn't even know that existed in Illinois law. Not really different than protecting bisexuals and crossdressers, also protected under Illinois law.

745 ILCS 30/0.01
Sec. 0.01. Short title. This Act may be cited as the Abortion Performance Refusal Act.
(Source: P.A. 86-1324.)

(c) Any person, association, partnership or corporation that discriminates against another person in any way, including, but not limited to, hiring, promotion, advancement, transfer, licensing, granting of hospital privileges, or staff appointments, because of that person's refusal to recommend, perform or assist in the performance of an abortion, whether such abortion be a crime or not, shall be answerable in civil damages equal to 3 times the amount of proved damages, but in no case less than $2,000.

I guess all the foaming at the mouth shreiking liberals can wipe the slobber off their sneakers now.

Good catch. But there's still this:

EIU spokeswoman Vicki Woodard, told the Associated Press that "the reason Andrea Nead was not hired was unrelated to dispensing the morning-after pill.''

Yup, apparently performing abortion related activities is an optional part of the job in Illinois. Not sure I agree with that, seeing as how I can't think of any other job where you get to pick and choose what parts of your job you will do. However, that is the law, and she is protected by it. But all the "shreiking conservatives can wipe the slobber off their sneakers" since there is nothing to suggest abortion had anything to do with this, expect in the minds of a very biased "news" source with an agenda.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: jimkyser

Originally posted by: Riprorin

In 1893, Mrs. Lystra E. Gretter and the Farrand Training School for Nurses wrote an adaptation of the physician's Hippocratic Oath for nurses. It was named the Florence Nightingale Pledge in honor of the esteemed founder of nursing.
This pledge is most often recited at graduation/pinning ceremonies for nurses. It is also often included in programs honoring nurses during Nurses Week (May 6-12)or on Nurses Day (May 6). May 12 is the birthdate of Nurse Nightingale..

The Florence Nightingale Pledge
I solemnly pledge myself before God and in the presence of this assembly, to pass my life in purity and to practice my profession faithfully. I will abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous, and will not take or knowingly administer any harmful drug. I will do all in my power to maintain and elevate the standard of my profession, and will hold in confidence all personal matters committed to my keeping and all family affairs coming to my knowledge in the practice of my calling. With loyalty will I endeavor to aid the physician in his work, and devote myself to the welfare of those committed to my care.

Link

Same principles, it's just an adaptation.

And it's just as out of touch with modern medicine as the classical Hippocratic Oath. What about chemo, Rip? It is a VERY HARMFUL drug. It kills off all fast growing cells, not just the cancerous ones. That's why your hair falls out. Do you want all the cancer patients who currently have 75+ percent chances of living to just be allowed to die because we need to follow an oath that's over 100 years old and competly out of touch?

But you haven't responded to my comment on the similar text in the classical Hippocratic Oath either. You just keep saying what a 'fine tradition' it is. Yep, a fine tradition to let people die instead of saving them because that would require use of a very poisonous drug.

What about chemo?

All phamaceuticals have side effects and are therefore "harmful". However, they are prescribed becuase the beneficial effects are perceived to outweigh the deletrious effects.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: Riprorin
So you think a health care provider should be fired for refusing to kill a baby?

If it's legal to kill a baby and the doctor orders it? Yes.

Rip, do you think you could be a Nurse with your beliefs???

Sure, why not?

😕 You already stated you could not do the job that you would be required to do under orders from your boss, the doctor :roll:

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: Riprorin
So you think a health care provider should be fired for refusing to kill a baby?

If it's legal to kill a baby and the doctor orders it? Yes.

Rip, do you think you could be a Nurse with your beliefs???

Sure, why not?

😕 You already stated you could not do the job that you would be required to do under orders from your boss, the doctor :roll:

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745 ILCS 30/0.01
Sec. 0.01. Short title. This Act may be cited as the Abortion Performance Refusal Act.
(Source: P.A. 86-1324.)

(c) Any person, association, partnership or corporation that discriminates against another person in any way, including, but not limited to, hiring, promotion, advancement, transfer, licensing, granting of hospital privileges, or staff appointments, because of that person's refusal to recommend, perform or assist in the performance of an abortion, whether such abortion be a crime or not, shall be answerable in civil damages equal to 3 times the amount of proved damages, but in no case less than $2,000.

I wouldn't have to, at least in the state of Illinois.

 

[umbrella39]

:thumbsup: Good she should be fired and have her license suspended for a year. Move to another state or country for that matter where nurses have carte blanch to do whatever the hell they want. Sorry, not in this country.

Next snorer please. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: alchemize

745 ILCS 30/0.01
Sec. 0.01. Short title. This Act may be cited as the Abortion Performance Refusal Act.
(Source: P.A. 86-1324.)

(c) Any person, association, partnership or corporation that discriminates against another person in any way, including, but not limited to, hiring, promotion, advancement, transfer, licensing, granting of hospital privileges, or staff appointments, because of that person's refusal to recommend, perform or assist in the performance of an abortion, whether such abortion be a crime or not, shall be answerable in civil damages equal to 3 times the amount of proved damages, but in no case less than $2,000.

I guess all the foaming at the mouth shreiking liberals can wipe the slobber off their sneakers now.

Is use of the Morning After pill considered an abortion?