NuclearNed's climbing wall project diary ***IT'S <sort of> DONE!!!***

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NuclearNed

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Last night I completed all the supporting braces on the left side, with the exception of 1 brace that is currently held by just deck screws - I still need to nail it in. It didn't seem to make a whole lot of difference in the small amount of sway that the structure has... so I'm a little disappointed with that. Maybe it will improve when I finish bracing the right side tonight (weather permitting). The sway is extremely minor anyway, so I'm most likely making a big deal out of nothing.

So what remains is the right side brace (very quick & easy), the support for the anchor chain (also very quick & easy), then general reinforcement this weekend. After my upcoming backpacking trip the following week, I'm finally ready to put up plywood.
 

Darwin333

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Awesome, sounds like it's all coming together nicely. Can't wait to see it completed and in use.
 

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Nice structure. So I'm thinking that the wall will be coming up soon?
 
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NuclearNed

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Yup - I should have all the framing done by this weekend. Then a weeklong backpacking trip... when I get back, I'm putting the plywood up. Then playtime for the rest of the Summer.
 

NuclearNed

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Daily update - Last night the weather was crap and everything was soaked, with rain still falling as I tried to work. There was one back-side brace that was only held up with deck screws - I got it nailed in. I took measurements for the final brace and cut the lumber. When I started to work on putting up the brace, I slipped a little bit on the slick surface of the stud I was standing on... which wigged me out & changed my plans. Instead of putting up the brace, I used a cordless circular saw to trim up some of the studs that I had intentionally left too long (all located at lower levels of the wall). I also did a ton of prep work for putting up the final brace - it's ready to mount once the weather clears. I think I'm still on track for getting all the framing 100% done by the end of this weekend.
 

MrDudeMan

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Are you using treated lumber? I hope so, but I can't tell from the pictures. Similarly, are you using hot dipped galvanized nails? Any other type of nail is going to corrode due to the lumber treatments. I'm not sure how many nails you're using, but it should be at least (3) 12d commons per side of each board. Given your location, I'm assuming a few things about lumber quality and species, but that should get you close. Structural screws would be way better, though.
 

NuclearNed

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Yes on both the treated lumber & galvanized nails - I'm putting up each 2x4 stud with two 3 1/2" galvanized deck screws per end, then nailing each end of the studs with two 4" galvanized 20d commons.

The 2x6 studs I'm overkilling - usually 3-4 deck screws for the initial placement, followed by 3-4 20d commons.
 
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Scarpozzi

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Paint it and put the grips on before you hang it. I'm not sure how thick I would go on plywood since you put your framing so close together. Just remember that weather will deteriorate plywood (even marine grade) much faster when water gets access to the edges. I suggest getting some cans of that rubberized spray they sell and coat the front and edges...

For fasteners, 1.5" decking screws if you can find them or galvanized joist hanger nails won't go all the way through your framing. It will make it less likely that you get snagged if you ever climb up the back side of your wall for maintenance.
 

NuclearNed

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New pics from yesterday are here:
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=ZGs4b1l6MlZoREZlRWNYOUtoLTNxSzllTzlOelBB

This past Friday I bought about $320 of plywood and deck screws, along with a chalk reel & chalk. I also returned some surplus lumber from the project - about $60 worth - so my net cost this weekend was about $260-$270. I ended up buying 1/2" plywood instead of 3/4"... this is something I've given a lot of thought to lately, and I'm happy I made the decision. I'm not sure the heavier plywood would have given me a lot of benefit, it is about $10 more per sheet, and it is so heavy that I would have really struggled to get it into place on the wall. In hindsight, I've very happy with the decision.

Saturday was basically an R&D day in which I figured out lots of things. I decided that I wanted to put up the most difficult-to-mount piece first; looking at the wall, that would be the upper-left piece. So I cut it to size - easy. Then I hastily chalk-lined a 6"x6" grid on one side to aid in pre-drilling my holes for the bolt-on grips - easy (too easy, in fact - I screwed this up as I'll detail on down in this post). Then I selected a drill bit that was the proper size for the grip bolts - easy. Then I started drilling the holes... and ran into a minor problem.

Since the plywood is wet, the holes didn't drill very cleanly, which left lots of scrap hanging attached to the holes. Also, as the bit penetrated the plywood, the bottom side tended to break out instead of drilling, which left lots of messiness. Once I got it all drilled, I decided that to clean up the mess I would redrill from the opposite side. This helped a little, but not enough to make the large amount of time required worthwhile. I think that after the wood is hung and has time to dry out, I'll try again with hopefully more success. My Dad also lent me a counter-sinking bit that might help clean it once the wood dries.

So I was ready to mount the piece on the wall, but a little voice kept nagging me to be sure that my climbing holds would mount in the holes I had drilled... it turns out they wouldn't. The bolts fit just fine, but they screw into a T-nut, which has a sleeve that fits into the hole and is slightly larger than the bolt. So I had picked the wrong size drill bit, and got to redrill the holes again, for the 3rd time. This was a huge time-killer.

Finally drilled, I took the board to the wall and tried to lift it into position. I had a couple of stout L brackets (for hanging bicycles) that I had mounted on the plywood to act as temporary claws for hooking the sheet onto a stud and holding the plywood in place (you can see them in some of the pics). I also tied a long length of paracord onto both the top corners of the plywood that I intended to use to pull it upwards into position. This was a nice plan that failed miserably. I found that using the paracord I could lift the plywood, but I didn't have the strength to repeatedly lift and hold it for as long as would have been necessary to get the sheet into position. So I spent a long time figuring out what my B plan would be... Finally, I put my extension ladder on the wall, then laid the plywood on the extension ladder. I was able to use the ladder as a rail on which I shoulder-pressed the plywood upwards until it finally hooked onto one of my studs. Once it was that high, I climbed up on the wall's maintenance platforms and muscled the plywood up the rest of the way.

I made one minor mistake - on the 1st piece, I didn't put enough attention to detail into drilling my holes. The result is that some of my rows of holes are on top of studs and thus are blocked and unusable. I thought I had them measured correctly to miss the studs, but no. I learned from the mistake and corrected for the next 2 pieces that I put up. Not a huge mistake, but now it is forever a highly visible reminder about my awesome carpentry skills...

At the end of Saturday, I had 1 piece mounted, but I had a lot of questions answered so going forward things should move along faster. Sunday I had a few hours, so I got a couple of more pieces mounted and it went considerably quicker. Mrs Ned is encouraging me to take time off from the gym this week & use the extra time to finish it off, so the light may be at the end of the tunnel.
 
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NuclearNed

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I skipped the gym last night and put up the next panel... it took me about 2 hours to cut & drill the panel then get it mounted. The good news is that all the high work is now finished - all the rest of the panels are below the 12' level.

Tonight I plan on cutting & mounting the panel that will make the roof of the overhang. If it goes well & fast, I may try to get one of the other panels cut & mounted.

My birthday is Saturday - it would be awesome to get all the panels up by then

I posted a new pic with last night's progress.
 
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NuclearNed

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Last night I cut & put in the triangular piece that makes the ceiling of the overhang. It took me nearly 2.5 hrs for this one piece, but it was a tricky cut & placement. As I told Mrs Ned, any screwup on this piece meant that I had burned an entire piece of plywood & would have to buy another... The cut was nearly perfect. I've been putting in screws every 6" on the vertical plywood, but due to the horizontal placement of this piece I put screws in every 3", which took a bunch of extra time. Afterwards, I put my entire body weight on it and it seemed solid as a rock. The ceiling will gain a little extra support by the vertical plywood directly underneath it; those pieces will help support the ceiling's edges.

Hopefully I can get 1-2 vertical pieces up tonight. If I'm lucky, all the main construction will be finished this weekend and I can start putting on the holds.
 

NuclearNed

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I got another full sized panel up last night. It's taking me about 2-2.5 hrs per full sized panel, and I have 3 full-sized and 4 half-sized panels left. Based on that, I estimate 10-12 hours work left. I'll get another full-sized up tonight, so I'll have 8-10 hrs of work left for this weekend - I think its totally doable. Even though there are some things left that I'll want to do, that will be the end of main construction & the wall will be climbable.
 

NuclearNed

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My ADD say this project is taking too long.

:p

Several weeks ago I reached that point myself... originally I thought this project would be done sometime in the Spring. Since I've never done anything like this before, and since I'm a workforce of 1, I've had to do 2 things for every step: figure out how to do it properly, then figure out how to do it alone. The result is that my progress is glacial.
 

highland145

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Should have gone hiking instead.:)

Any project that I start, I multiply my best estimate by 3 and sometimes that's not even close.
 

NuclearNed

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I got another panel cut & mounted last night. New pics are up; the link is somewhere in this thread
 

NuclearNed

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Tons of new pics here:
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=ZGs4b1l6MlZoREZlRWNYOUtoLTNxSzllTzlOelBB

Massive progress this weekend. All the plywood is up. The anchor chain is up. For all intents and purposes, the major construction is finished.

What's left is pretty minor:
1. paint the whole thing. I think I can get that done next weekend, weather permitting. This is the biggest job left
2. put in floors on the 2 platforms. Relatively quick & easy; just cut the plywood & screw it down on the joists. This can be done after everything else is finished.
3. clean up the holes for the climbing holds. Needs to be done before painting... a lot of the holes didn't drill out cleanly. I think that if I go over them again with the drill after the plywood hangs a few days & dries out, they should clean up nicely.
4. On the overhang ceiling, I think I'm going to take a few of the screws out & replace them with longer screws with washers. Should take just a few mins but will make the overhang sturdier. Probably overkill, but will make me sleep better.
5. put some sort of vinyl corner protectors on exposed outside corners - to prevent splinters & rope damage. Should be super quick & easy - just liquid-nails it down. Maybe put in some sort of trim on the inside corners to cover up my "carpentry inconsistencies"
6. Get another 8' long utility pole, put it 5' in the ground & create a belay station. A lot of digging, but can be done after everything else is completely finished. This is a "nice to have" feature that will allow a lightweight like Mrs Ned to belay someone considerably heavier like me.
7. pretty things up - specifically, trim off long stud ends (quick & easy with a cordless circular saw). I might put in a "decorative" strip of plywood on the right edge to completely cover up the visible studs there (already did this on the left edge of the wall)
8. level out the leftover dirt that came out of the pole holes

...and finally, put up the climbing holds, but I think that task falls more in the "fun" category and less the "work" category
 
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