Thank god I won't have to share what I have. I have a nuclear reactor 150 miles south of my homestead. It doesn't really matter to me if our country builds reactors. I also don't have children that will have to deal with the byproduct of fisson. So normal that most of you people believe that atomic energy is the remedy for the sweat crude that feeds the machine. That's the soft veil that you pull over your everydayness.
Leathworking, organic farming, metalsmithing, basic medicine, hydro, and mechanics/physics, they are what you should have experience of. You poor bastards have nothing.
Rogo
Leathworking, organic farming, metalsmithing, basic medicine, hydro, and mechanics/physics, they are what you should have experience of. You poor bastards have nothing.
Rogo
Gibsons
Lifer
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IIRC, if you cover the entire state of New York with solar panels, you won't have enough electricity for New York City (DrPizza might confirm or deny this).Originally posted by: Jeff7
They're already working on other sources. Why do you think Shell bought out Seimens Solar? Solar can have a big future too, and they know it.
All we need is a more effective way of coercing electrons to get moving when photons hit them, and we're golden.
Germany produces %45 of its required kw by solar. They are a shaddy country, not alot of sun compared to the U.S.
Were basically fvcked though.
Rogo
country, not alot of sun compared to the U.S. Were basically fvcked though.
Rogo
Waiting for zero point energy myself, anti-matter reactors too.
But on a more serious note, it is interesting to see some good progress with solar energy due to advancements in nanotechnology. I think nuclear fission is just a stop-gap until we have better solar and wind generation capabilities, with fusion being ready "when it's ready".
There was an interesting figure about how efficient solar panels would need to be to power all of our homes but I have forgotten it, I do know the source so I'll have to look it up. I think eventually we'll get there and have lesser need for centralized power generation.
But on a more serious note, it is interesting to see some good progress with solar energy due to advancements in nanotechnology. I think nuclear fission is just a stop-gap until we have better solar and wind generation capabilities, with fusion being ready "when it's ready".
There was an interesting figure about how efficient solar panels would need to be to power all of our homes but I have forgotten it, I do know the source so I'll have to look it up. I think eventually we'll get there and have lesser need for centralized power generation.
Originally posted by: Rogodin2
Germany produces %45 of its required kw by solar. They are a shaddy
Were basically fvcked though.
Rogo
AM I reading that wrong, are you saying you actually think Germany supplies 45% of its power with solar? IF so you are wrong by several orders of magnitude.
My organic farming profession is at 225. I can't find the Tome of Organic Farming to raise my cap to 300.
Jeff7
Lifer
- Jan 4, 2001
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Maybe with today's solar technology. If I recall correctly, the average amount of power Earth receives, taking the spherical shape into account, is 316W per square meter.
Area of New York State = 141,205 square kilometers.
1,000,000 square meters per square kilometer.
141,205,000,000 square meters.
* 316
---------------------------------
44,620,780,000,000 watts
Efficiency of solar cells today is somewhere around 13%
5,800,701,400,000 watts, or 5.8 terawatts
According to this, that's more power than the entire country consumes.
If my quick math is correct.
I believe I read the US military produces well over half the nuclear waste that we are stuck with disposing. So it's not the power plants alone that are creating all the waste.
Downwind only
Tri-cities is already known for the birth defects-nothing upwind, let alone 150 miles north. Microsoft is using the power of the dams along the columbia here, as well as Yahoo, Intuit, and Intel-so no worries.Rogo
DrPizza
Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
Originally posted by: Gibsons
IIRC, if you cover the entire state of New York with solar panels, you won't have enough electricity for New York City (DrPizza might confirm or deny this).Originally posted by: Jeff7
They're already working on other sources. Why do you think Shell bought out Seimens Solar? Solar can have a big future too, and they know it.
All we need is a more effective way of coercing electrons to get moving when photons hit them, and we're golden.
You know, I had seen that statistic somewhere in the past... Then, I think in HT or someplace, I quickly redid the calculations. I'm not going to redo all the math; someone else can double check that stat.
edit: I did put "That amazes me, although I'm wondering if I made a careless mistake somewhere. " at the end... I've never bothered double checking everything.
I grew up not far from this place. Other than a mild facial tic and a slight glowing at night, I didn't suffer any adverse affects.
You care because you want your AC to work when its a hot day.
DLeRium made a good point in just saying to use existing infrastructure to ramp up power on the grid at peak load times. Clean coal plants could have a fairly minimal enviromental impact if only used on occasion, and a large percentage of the grid is run off Nuclear.
But correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding was it takes quite a bit of time for a coal power pant to ramp up production as well. Thus why being able to quickly fire up hydro damns would be good.
DrPizza
Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
Okay, it's going to bug me if I don't...
Area of NY is: 1.41089602 × 10^11 sq meters
And, I'll go with the 164 watts per square meter on average over a 24 hour day here, although I have no idea what it actually is in NY. But, I'll go higher with 20% for the solar cells...
164watts/sqm*.2=32.8watts/sqm
So, 1.41*10^11 sq meters * 32.8 watts/sqmeter =
4.62*10^12 watts = 4.62*10^9 kilowatts
Converting to energy in kilowatt hours, over the course of a year
*24 *365
4.05*10^13 kilowatt hours.
This is higher than the last time I did the calculation --> upon closer examination, I see the 164 watts per square meter is the average over the earth for 24 hours.
Using the site linked to above, the US uses roughly 100 quadrillion BTU's per year. I was uncomfortable with the terawatts, simply because watts are a rate of energy usage - did they mean we averaged that many watts at any one time? Regardless, I'll use the BTU figure:
100 000 000 000 000 000 BTUs = 2.9307107 × 10^13 kilowatt hours
(gotta love using the google search box to do conversions.)
HEY!! Look at that!!! There's enough energy for the entire country, with enough room for about 30% more, if we COVER THE ENTIRE STATE OF NY with solar panels. Sounds good to me, but put the 18 acres of solar panels for my land in some other state. Thanks.
(so, I guess I had a mistake somewhere before; oh well.)
Area of NY is: 1.41089602 × 10^11 sq meters
And, I'll go with the 164 watts per square meter on average over a 24 hour day here, although I have no idea what it actually is in NY. But, I'll go higher with 20% for the solar cells...
164watts/sqm*.2=32.8watts/sqm
So, 1.41*10^11 sq meters * 32.8 watts/sqmeter =
4.62*10^12 watts = 4.62*10^9 kilowatts
Converting to energy in kilowatt hours, over the course of a year
*24 *365
4.05*10^13 kilowatt hours.
This is higher than the last time I did the calculation --> upon closer examination, I see the 164 watts per square meter is the average over the earth for 24 hours.
Using the site linked to above, the US uses roughly 100 quadrillion BTU's per year. I was uncomfortable with the terawatts, simply because watts are a rate of energy usage - did they mean we averaged that many watts at any one time? Regardless, I'll use the BTU figure:
100 000 000 000 000 000 BTUs = 2.9307107 × 10^13 kilowatt hours
(gotta love using the google search box to do conversions.)
HEY!! Look at that!!! There's enough energy for the entire country, with enough room for about 30% more, if we COVER THE ENTIRE STATE OF NY with solar panels. Sounds good to me, but put the 18 acres of solar panels for my land in some other state. Thanks.
(so, I guess I had a mistake somewhere before; oh well.)
DrPizza
Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
Oh, one last thing... I haven't seen the sun in 2 weeks. It's cloudy in NY, so I assume we're below the global average.
On the other hand, posters in this forum from California are always bragging about how sunny it is and how wonderful the weather is. I'll tell you what: if you cover all of NY in solar panels, they're not going to work for the 5 months of the year that they're covered in snow, unless you hire a lot of kids to shovel them off.
However, suppose we cover the entire state of California with solar panels...
Plus, Cali is bigger than NY.
On the other hand, posters in this forum from California are always bragging about how sunny it is and how wonderful the weather is. I'll tell you what: if you cover all of NY in solar panels, they're not going to work for the 5 months of the year that they're covered in snow, unless you hire a lot of kids to shovel them off.
However, suppose we cover the entire state of California with solar panels...
Plus, Cali is bigger than NY.
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