Nuclear power...

[QuantumPion]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: piasabird
Are you going to store the nuclear waste in your back yard?

No, I say we hurry up and build a space elevator... Then we could ship all the spent rods out into space! Problem solved.

I think that violates some treaty, but I think it's a decent idea.

What would happen if we hurled spent rods into the sun? It sounds silly, but I honestly don't know what the impact would be...Anyone have an opinion on this?

My guess is it would either be dispersed back into space or broken down into lighter elements by the intense neutron flux.

BTW, I am a nuclear engineer.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: tomywishbone

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: piasabird
Are you going to store the nuclear waste in your back yard?

No, I say we hurry up and build a space elevator... Then we could ship all the spent rods out into space! Problem solved.

I think that violates some treaty, but I think it's a decent idea.

What would happen if we hurled spent rods into the sun? It sounds silly, but I honestly don't know what the impact would be...Anyone have an opinion on this?

They would probably burn up well before they arrived imo.

Not if we sent them at night.

lol

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: piasabird
Are you going to store the nuclear waste in your back yard?

No, I say we hurry up and build a space elevator... Then we could ship all the spent rods out into space! Problem solved.

I think that violates some treaty, but I think it's a decent idea.

What would happen if we hurled spent rods into the sun? It sounds silly, but I honestly don't know what the impact would be...Anyone have an opinion on this?

They would probably burn up well before they arrived imo.

Stuff doesn't burn to well in space with that lack of oxygen and all.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: ntdz
Anyone against nuclear power is either an idiot or a hypocrite.

No no, you are a pig. I got here first with the absolutes.

So you want to curb global warming but refuse to use the only chance at that we have, nuclear power? That's a hypocite.

Only chance? Haha! Look at the facts. Nuclear waste was supposed to be safely stored. It has not been. Nobody will address the cost, the political reality that nobody wants it in their own back yard, and you the hypocrit AND FOOL, want to make more of it. The very definition of a fool is somebody who thinks that doing more of the same will have different results. You are a pig, and worse because you will not see who you are.

There are many ways to go, none of them so sexy or supported by such powerful special interests. One massive area is in the promotion of energy efficiency. Government sponsored wind and solar to the tune that nuclear is subsidized, could revolutionize the cost. The problem with solar, my friend, is that it is a one time sale. After that you have no electric bill, nobody who has an automatic tap into your wallet every month. America is the land of freedom where you're free to be an economic slave.

 

[Moonbeam]

Please don't take away our toys and make us clean up our mess cry the absurd little children of the world. Give us a new playroom and we will never do it again.

 

[Moonbeam]

And we are going to clean up the mess, really we are.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: QuantumPion

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: piasabird
Are you going to store the nuclear waste in your back yard?

No, I say we hurry up and build a space elevator... Then we could ship all the spent rods out into space! Problem solved.

I think that violates some treaty, but I think it's a decent idea.

What would happen if we hurled spent rods into the sun? It sounds silly, but I honestly don't know what the impact would be...Anyone have an opinion on this?

My guess is it would either be dispersed back into space or broken down into lighter elements by the intense neutron flux.

BTW, I am a nuclear engineer.

cool, just the sort of info I was looking for.
I have an idea for a long-lasting, lightweight, self-controlled payload rocket...anyone wanna invest?

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: ntdz
Anyone against nuclear power is either an idiot or a hypocrite.

No no, you are a pig. I got here first with the absolutes.

So you want to curb global warming but refuse to use the only chance at that we have, nuclear power? That's a hypocite.

Only chance? Haha! Look at the facts. Nuclear waste was supposed to be safely stored. It has not been. Nobody will address the cost, the political reality that nobody wants it in their own back yard, and you the hypocrit AND FOOL, want to make more of it. The very definition of a fool is somebody who thinks that doing more of the same will have different results. You are a pig, and worse because you will not see who you are.
.

Well we could reprocess the waste as done in many other countries except Jimmy Carter ended that idea in America and its never been allowed to come back as a means.

 

[Kwaipie]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Kwaipie
For those that think storing this stuff is safe and that we are best off listening to government experts, please take a couple of moments and familiarize yourself with Hanford.

I love it when people talk ****** and they don't even know what they are talking about

Thanks for the wonderful contribution to the discussion. Your superiority shines like a beacon. Unless I am mistaken, you are a nuclear waste containment specialist at the Hanford DOE site in Richland, Washington and you're here to tell me that the containment issue is all a bunch of hooey and those that live downstream of Richland along the Columbia River have nothing to fear.

Although, if you're just here to interject a snide comment without having anything to say, then how about you STFU or add something constructive.

At this point, I'm not ready to gamble with the lives of the million+ people living in between Hanford and the Pacific ocean. If they don't get Hanford figured out pretty quick, Chernobyl's effect will be tiny in comparison. Until then, I vote NO.

 

[Rustican]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
And we are going to clean up the mess, really we are.

Yes it is possible. Reporcessing spent fuel is a viable technology. The use of Breeder reactors allows this. With reporcessing you won't have to deal with waste storage or shooting spent rods into space. And this is technology that we have and can be implemented now.

 

[CPA]

I'll probably get slammed for this, but I think we should send our nuclear waste out into space.

go ahead and laugh, if you like, but I'm serious.

 

[bdude]

Originally posted by: CPA
I'll probably get slammed for this, but I think we should send our nuclear waste out into space.

go ahead and laugh, if you like, but I'm serious.

Except if it goes kaboom as our flying fuel bombs often do.

 

[Kwaipie]

Originally posted by: bdude

Originally posted by: CPA
I'll probably get slammed for this, but I think we should send our nuclear waste out into space.

go ahead and laugh, if you like, but I'm serious.

Except if it goes kaboom as our flying fuel bombs often do.

The Christa McAuliffe Memorial Nuclear Trash Barge?

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: bdude

Originally posted by: CPA
I'll probably get slammed for this, but I think we should send our nuclear waste out into space.

go ahead and laugh, if you like, but I'm serious.

Except if it goes kaboom as our flying fuel bombs often do.

If it goes boom, it would probably due so so far away that it wouldn't impact us. It's not like there isn't any radioactive waves already in space.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: Kwaipie
Thanks for the wonderful contribution to the discussion. Your superiority shines like a beacon. Unless I am mistaken, you are a nuclear waste containment specialist at the Hanford DOE site in Richland, Washington and you're here to tell me that the containment issue is all a bunch of hooey and those that live downstream of Richland along the Columbia River have nothing to fear.

Although, if you're just here to interject a snide comment without having anything to say, then how about you STFU or add something constructive.

At this point, I'm not ready to gamble with the lives of the million+ people living in between Hanford and the Pacific ocean. If they don't get Hanford figured out pretty quick, Chernobyl's effect will be tiny in comparison. Until then, I vote NO.

To repeat, that is completely MILITARY related nuclear waste used to make nuclear weapons and has effectively nothing to do with civilian nuclear waste storage.

 

[theeedude]

NIMBY - for
IMBY - against

 

[Kwaipie]

Originally posted by: Aegeon

Originally posted by: Kwaipie
<<snip>>

To repeat, that is completely MILITARY related nuclear waste used to make nuclear weapons and has effectively nothing to do with civilian nuclear waste storage.

Because military related nuclear waste isn't full of care bears and gummy worms like civilian nuclear waste? Or are you saying that the Yucca Mountain facility will only be used for civilian related high level nuclear waste? The DOE is responsible for the cleanup at Hanford, who do you suppose is in charge of Yucca Mountain? Regardless, the DOE is doing a bang up job. The DOE is projecting this as a hot spot for more than a million years. Come on, it sounds like a bad comedy.

 

[SexyK]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: ntdz
Anyone against nuclear power is either an idiot or a hypocrite.

No no, you are a pig. I got here first with the absolutes.

So you want to curb global warming but refuse to use the only chance at that we have, nuclear power? That's a hypocite.

Only chance? Haha! Look at the facts. Nuclear waste was supposed to be safely stored. It has not been. Nobody will address the cost, the political reality that nobody wants it in their own back yard, and you the hypocrit AND FOOL, want to make more of it. The very definition of a fool is somebody who thinks that doing more of the same will have different results. You are a pig, and worse because you will not see who you are.

There are many ways to go, none of them so sexy or supported by such powerful special interests. One massive area is in the promotion of energy efficiency. Government sponsored wind and solar to the tune that nuclear is subsidized, could revolutionize the cost. The problem with solar, my friend, is that it is a one time sale. After that you have no electric bill, nobody who has an automatic tap into your wallet every month. America is the land of freedom where you're free to be an economic slave.

The only reason we don't have a safe, reliable way to store nuclear waste is because people like you are spreading unfounded fear and misinformation. I do agree with you that people should consider ways to be more energy efficient, but the reality is the world needs energy and nuclear is among the cleanest, most reliable ways to produce it. Please do us all a favor and try to actually learn something about the issues rather than just spreading misinformation and calling people pigs, you're just making yourself and your cause look foolish.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: bdude

Originally posted by: CPA
I'll probably get slammed for this, but I think we should send our nuclear waste out into space.

go ahead and laugh, if you like, but I'm serious.

Except if it goes kaboom as our flying fuel bombs often do.

If it goes boom, it would probably due so so far away that it wouldn't impact us. It's not like there isn't any radioactive waves already in space.

Take a look sometime at the scientists projections of what would have happened if cassini probe blew up just about where the shuttle right before it did in the atmosphere (Challenger), pretty much terminal cancer for the whole planets population, whee!

We as a species dodged a bullet bigtime with cassini, no thanks, time to phase out nukes and spend on something renewable.

I could care less what BS G&E and friends are telling you, ofc they are feeding you that crap, same old lines "it's totally safe" NOTHING could go wrong!

My ass, and the titanic was unsinkable. If these energy corps would spend some of this money they use on feeding "It's safe comrade" propaganda on developing more solar/wind/tidal infrastructure we would already be ahead of the game.

But solar/tidal/wind doesent need fuel, or expensive storage for waste, so whats the point of moving away from their gravy train, and you all eat it up.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: piasabird
Are you going to store the nuclear waste in your back yard?

No, I say we hurry up and build a space elevator... Then we could ship all the spent rods out into space! Problem solved.

I think that violates some treaty, but I think it's a decent idea.

What would happen if we hurled spent rods into the sun? It sounds silly, but I honestly don't know what the impact would be...Anyone have an opinion on this?

They would probably burn up well before they arrived imo.

Stuff doesn't burn to well in space with that lack of oxygen and all.

The suns gravity is so great ... It would be like throwing a toothpick at it. There is no way the stuff would escape the suns gravity. And yes it would burn up in the suns atmosphere and never make it to the ground.

There would be no way in hell we would use rockets to blast nuclear waste into space... There is TONS of material and it would cost more to send the stuff into space then what we saved in nuclear energy. The only way to do it would be to build the space elevator. Lift it into space cheaply and safely.

Besides we don't really need to send the stuff to the sun. I say send it to Jupiter it's a huge gas giant with a big gravitational pull perfect for dumping waste!!!

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: bdude

Originally posted by: CPA
I'll probably get slammed for this, but I think we should send our nuclear waste out into space.

go ahead and laugh, if you like, but I'm serious.

Except if it goes kaboom as our flying fuel bombs often do.

If it goes boom, it would probably due so so far away that it wouldn't impact us. It's not like there isn't any radioactive waves already in space.

Take a look sometime at the scientists projections of what would have happened if cassini probe blew up just about where the shuttle right before it did in the atmosphere (Challenger), pretty much terminal cancer for the whole planets population, whee!

We as a species dodged a bullet bigtime with cassini, no thanks, time to phase out nukes and spend on something renewable.

I could care less what BS G&E and friends are telling you, ofc they are feeding you that crap, same old lines "it's totally safe" NOTHING could go wrong!

My ass, and the titanic was unsinkable. If these energy corps would spend some of this money they use on feeding "It's safe comrade" propaganda on developing more solar/wind/tidal infrastructure we would already be ahead of the game.

But solar/tidal/wind doesent need fuel, or expensive storage for waste, so whats the point of moving away from their gravy train, and you all eat it up.

The risk of Cassini's RTGs rupturing even in such an event were quite minimal. They are designed for such an eventuality. The worst case scenarios were greatly overstated and not even realistic, just more fearmongering.


The fact is that we already derive a substantial amount of our electricity from nuclear power. Renewables are currently nowhere close to being able to replace it at anything remotely approaching current costs. It is historically safe (the US generates more MWh than any other nation on the planet and has the oldest civilian nuclear program) and the waste can be adequately dealt with (preferably via reprocessing).

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: piasabird
Are you going to store the nuclear waste in your back yard?

No, I say we hurry up and build a space elevator... Then we could ship all the spent rods out into space! Problem solved.

I think that violates some treaty, but I think it's a decent idea.

What would happen if we hurled spent rods into the sun? It sounds silly, but I honestly don't know what the impact would be...Anyone have an opinion on this?

They would probably burn up well before they arrived imo.

Stuff doesn't burn to well in space with that lack of oxygen and all.

The suns gravity is so great ... It would be like throwing a toothpick at it. There is no way the stuff would escape the suns gravity. And yes it would burn up in the suns atmosphere and never make it to the ground.

There would be no way in hell we would use rockets to blast nuclear waste into space... There is TONS of material and it would cost more to send the stuff into space then what we saved in nuclear energy. The only way to do it would be to build the space elevator. Lift it into space cheaply and safely.

Besides we don't really need to send the stuff to the sun. I say send it to Jupiter it's a huge gas giant with a big gravitational pull perfect for dumping waste!!!

Yeah! ****** Jupiter! :thumbsup:

 

[tomywishbone]

"...The suns gravity is so great ... It would be like throwing a toothpick at it. There is no way the stuff would escape the suns gravity. And yes it would burn up in the suns atmosphere and never make it to the ground.

There would be no way in hell we would use rockets to blast nuclear waste into space... There is TONS of material and it would cost more to send the stuff into space then what we saved in nuclear energy. The only way to do it would be to build the space elevator. Lift it into space cheaply and safely.

Besides we don't really need to send the stuff to the sun. I say send it to Jupiter it's a huge gas giant with a big gravitational pull perfect for dumping waste!!! "

:| My sweet ol' granny lives in Florida. How dare you!

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: K1052
The worst case scenarios were greatly overstated and not even realistic, just more fearmongering.

Bvllshit

By its calculations, the chances of an accident that could release plutonium are incredibly slim --less than 1 in 1,400 at launch (this is when the space shuttle Challenger exploded in 1986), 1 in 476 just after launch, and less than 1 in a million during Cassini's flyby of Earth in August 1999.

One in 476 is not "fearmongering" sure, it's a longshot, and what I described is a pretty bad scenario, but is it worth the risk when there are alternatives?

If we are idiots then you guys are lemmings

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: K1052
The worst case scenarios were greatly overstated and not even realistic, just more fearmongering.

Bvllshit

By its calculations, the chances of an accident that could release plutonium are incredibly slim --less than 1 in 1,400 at launch (this is when the space shuttle Challenger exploded in 1986), 1 in 476 just after launch, and less than 1 in a million during Cassini's flyby of Earth in August 1999.

One in 476 is not "fearmongering" sure, it's a longshot, and what I described is a pretty bad scenario, but is it worth the risk when there are alternatives?

If we are idiots then you guys are lemmings

Considering how many other launches of RTG equipped missions had been conducted, even looking at the accidents where the mission failed/aborted, the risk of the worst case scenario (total and even dispersal of the radioactive payload) was fantastically small. The other figures were for any release whatsoever. The "give everyone on the planet cancer" stuff was fearmongering.