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Insane3D

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Originally posted by: classy
I worked at Hope Creek/Salem for 5 years. They are cleaner and generate far less harm but they do have their issues. For one the waste remains active for decades. And cooling them can be harmful to water life around them because of the increased temperature of the water. A true Nuclear disaster could be fatal for miles on end around the plant if it ever happened. But I know the domes at Salem can withstand a plane crashing into them. And it takes years to build them and I mean years.

I can only speak for Seabrook, here in NH, but it's cooling water goes right back out into the bay there, and some of the best fishing used to be right near the plant where the warm water came out. You used to be able to paddle right up the flats, right up to the plant, but since 9/11 then have put signs up forming a security zone that you aren't supposed to enter unless you have permission from the port authority. The stripers would love all that warm water coming out of the plant...
 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: classy
I worked at Hope Creek/Salem for 5 years. They are cleaner and generate far less harm but they do have their issues. For one the waste remains active for decades. And cooling them can be harmful to water life around them because of the increased temperature of the water. A true Nuclear disaster could be fatal for miles on end around the plant if it ever happened. But I know the domes at Salem can withstand a plane crashing into them. And it takes years to build them and I mean years.

I can only speak for Seabrook, here in NH, but it's cooling water goes right back out into the bay there, and some of the best fishing used to be right near the plant where the warm water came out. You used to be able to paddle right up the flats, right up to the plant, but since 9/11 then have put signs up forming a security zone that you aren't supposed to enter unless you have permission from the port authority. The stripers would love all that warm water coming out of the plant...

QFT. The fisherman around our nuke plant love the warm water, it's where all the fishies are. and I work as an EE intern at the nuke plant. You can believe it's safe. If anything fails, even a relay or fuse, you have to do like a 2-week 20 page root-cause analysis. And each safety system has a backup, and that backup has a backup, that has another system that can be cross-connected to perform the failed system's duty.
 

classy

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: classy
I worked at Hope Creek/Salem for 5 years. They are cleaner and generate far less harm but they do have their issues. For one the waste remains active for decades. And cooling them can be harmful to water life around them because of the increased temperature of the water. A true Nuclear disaster could be fatal for miles on end around the plant if it ever happened. But I know the domes at Salem can withstand a plane crashing into them. And it takes years to build them and I mean years.

I can only speak for Seabrook, here in NH, but it's cooling water goes right back out into the bay there, and some of the best fishing used to be right near the plant where the warm water came out. You used to be able to paddle right up the flats, right up to the plant, but since 9/11 then have put signs up forming a security zone that you aren't supposed to enter unless you have permission from the port authority. The stripers would love all that warm water coming out of the plant...


Hope Creek and Salem go right back in the Delaware. Trust me its harmful. As a matter of fact as a former security person I have seen the grates cleaned where the water goes back in the ocean. Many dead fish, many. I am not saying its a total devastation, but it does have some harm.
 

quentinterintino

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Originally posted by: sonz70
According to that oil article, we are running out of uranium



Well, that article is full of sh*t. There HUGE reserves both here and in Canada.

The main reason why we don't have more plants: high capital and red tape.
 

Umberger

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there are currently 2 reactors at the North Anna Nuclear Power Station, on Lake Anna in Virginia, and the site was designed to house up to 4. I am a resident of the lake, and the most recent newsletter said that they are currently in the process of getting the required permits to add a third reactor. The power plant moves so much water (in the ballpark of a million gallons a minute) that there is a (relatively) low change in temperature. it's actually kinda neat to see the plant, it looks awesome at night.
USGS view of the plant
me and a friend tubing, with the plant in the background

edit: so basically, the moral of the story is that they are building new ones, the permitting process just takes forever.
 

eigen

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Originally posted by: Umberger
there are currently 2 reactors at the North Anna Nuclear Power Station, on Lake Anna in Virginia, and the site was designed to house up to 4. I am a resident of the lake, and the most recent newsletter said that they are currently in the process of getting the required permits to add a third reactor. The power plant moves so much water (in the ballpark of a million gallons a minute) that there is a (relatively) low change in temperature. it's actually kinda neat to see the plant, it looks awesome at night.
USGS view of the plant
me and a friend tubing, with the plant in the background

We need more men like you.People willing to say "Yeah put a nuclear powerplant in my backyard.I not only am rational enough to agree but I will tube right by it" awesome.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: sonoma1993
How come here in the United States we dont build anymore Nuclear plants? They make alot more power than all of the other types of power plants out there. They dont let co2 and other harmful gases into the air when working correctly. I know we had problems with the 3 mile island nuclear plant long time ago, but since then, the technology has adavance alot.


Because most people are stupid and don't understand nuclear power. You'd be surprised how many people think that nuclear power plants can blow up with a big nuclear explosion.
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: eigen
Originally posted by: Umberger
there are currently 2 reactors at the North Anna Nuclear Power Station, on Lake Anna in Virginia, and the site was designed to house up to 4. I am a resident of the lake, and the most recent newsletter said that they are currently in the process of getting the required permits to add a third reactor. The power plant moves so much water (in the ballpark of a million gallons a minute) that there is a (relatively) low change in temperature. it's actually kinda neat to see the plant, it looks awesome at night.
USGS view of the plant
me and a friend tubing, with the plant in the background

We need more men like you.People willing to say "Yeah put a nuclear powerplant in my backyard.I not only am rational enough to agree but I will tube right by it" awesome.

I agree.
 

Umberger

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Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: eigen
Originally posted by: Umberger
there are currently 2 reactors at the North Anna Nuclear Power Station, on Lake Anna in Virginia, and the site was designed to house up to 4. I am a resident of the lake, and the most recent newsletter said that they are currently in the process of getting the required permits to add a third reactor. The power plant moves so much water (in the ballpark of a million gallons a minute) that there is a (relatively) low change in temperature. it's actually kinda neat to see the plant, it looks awesome at night.
USGS view of the plant
me and a friend tubing, with the plant in the background

We need more men like you.People willing to say "Yeah put a nuclear powerplant in my backyard.I not only am rational enough to agree but I will tube right by it" awesome.

I agree.

haha, thanks guys. really, i have never noticed anything bad about the plant, ever. i mean, sure, if anything fvcks up, i'm screwed, but i can't go worrying about that, can i?
it's awesome, i wouldnt want to live anywhere else.
 

EULA

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Nuclear power + Opera web browser = clean, efficient, powered web browsing.

On a related note, nuclear power would help bring wisconsin's high energy prices down...
 

JoeKing

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Originally posted by: Umberger
there are currently 2 reactors at the North Anna Nuclear Power Station, on Lake Anna in Virginia, and the site was designed to house up to 4. I am a resident of the lake, and the most recent newsletter said that they are currently in the process of getting the required permits to add a third reactor. The power plant moves so much water (in the ballpark of a million gallons a minute) that there is a (relatively) low change in temperature. it's actually kinda neat to see the plant, it looks awesome at night.
USGS view of the plant
me and a friend tubing, with the plant in the background

edit: so basically, the moral of the story is that they are building new ones, the permitting process just takes forever.

ROFLBURGER. That tubing pic just cracks me up for some reason.
 

m2kewl

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: sonoma1993
How come here in the United States we dont build anymore Nuclear plants? They make alot more power than all of the other types of power plants out there. They dont let co2 and other harmful gases into the air when working correctly. I know we had problems with the 3 mile island nuclear plant long time ago, but since then, the technology has adavance alot.


Because most people are stupid and don't understand nuclear power. You'd be surprised how many people think that nuclear power plants can blow up with a big nuclear explosion.

WINNAR!!
 

PottedMeat

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last i heard building more reactors dependent on whether nevada successfully fights off the yucca mountain dump site - and if people are willing to have nuclear waste transported through their towns? seems like it will be years before a new reactor is built - even if theyve improved the technology ( pebble beds and such ), and people have problems even with napalm for disposal passing through.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: quentinterintino
Originally posted by: sonz70
According to that oil article, we are running out of uranium



Well, that article is full of sh*t. There HUGE reserves both here and in Canada.

The main reason why we don't have more plants: high capital and red tape.

Altrenate fuel cycles are usually ignored most times as well.

These include MOX fuel and the Thorium/U233 fuel cycle.

 

NucEm

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Nuclear power plants like anything else man builds can be a wonderful thing or a terrible thing. It's not enough to require certifications, psycho profiles, security checks, and oversight of the operators but those placed in authority must enjoy the same. Zero tolerance for incompetence within the industry should be the rule. Of course, it should be the rule for just about all industries. (Everyone of us has a gift, a talent, our bliss, a nich that we can be very competent in. It would be nice for each to find his own and make a good living in it.)

There have been several excellent programs that safely employed nuclear energy and nuclear radiation that were corrupted or killed. False information from thought to be respectable sources has produce fear inside and outside the industry. Recently, it was reported the National Academe of Scientists embraced the theory that any amount of exposure to radiation could have a negative impact on life. Here we all are on a naturally radioactive planet in a naturally radioactive universe. How did life ever start and continue with all this natural radioactivity? Don't misunderstand, too much exposure to radiation can be quite deadly but isn't that true of almost everything?

The programs or projects killed include radiation pasteurization of food products started by the folks at Natick Research and Development. The same folks that brought us the freeze-dry process, flexible packaging, and a number of other things. We can thank congressman Dingle of New York, partly. People were and many still are afraid of anything to do with radiation especially when connected with food. So the congressman was just doing what his base wanted and the funding was finally cut.

As a country we can make choices and we normally make those choices based on experience and information. We can not all be scientists and engineers so it is critical that that the information we have is correct. That means that the open media and the educational industry/system provide accurate information. That our leaders in science and government be honest and open. That we as a people listen and consider all the information.

Nuclear power plants can be built and operated safely. The radioactive waste can be processed safely. Transport of material can be done safely. We as a people can benefit from the technology if we want to.
 

ViperSSD

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: akubi
Originally posted by: Kalbi
evil hippie environmentalists.

tis the truth.

The fact that anyone can challenge a new nuclear reactor makes it practically impossible to build one for a realistic price. Furthermore, unfounded fears about reprocessing the waste into reusable fuel rods (as is done in Europe because the first run through uses less than 1% of the energy in the fuel rods) prevents us from lowering the costs of operation and the costs of secure waste storage sites.
 

dude8604

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Does anyone know more about nuclear fuel reprocessing? Is it possible to keep reprocessing it until it's no longer radioactive? Do they do this in France?
 

So

Lifer
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Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
You can't hug the world with nuclear arms!

...but you can get that deep down warm feeling. :heart:
 

TRUMPHENT

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Originally posted by: Umberger
there are currently 2 reactors at the North Anna Nuclear Power Station, on Lake Anna in Virginia, and the site was designed to house up to 4. I am a resident of the lake, and the most recent newsletter said that they are currently in the process of getting the required permits to add a third reactor. The power plant moves so much water (in the ballpark of a million gallons a minute) that there is a (relatively) low change in temperature. it's actually kinda neat to see the plant, it looks awesome at night.
USGS view of the plant
me and a friend tubing, with the plant in the background

edit: so basically, the moral of the story is that they are building new ones, the permitting process just takes forever.

Turkey Point was built back in the late '60's. It first dumped all the hot water into Biscayne Bay. The erosion it caused plus the temperature increases made the building of a cooling canal system necessary. It is visible on satellite imagery.
FPL wanted to restart Turkey Point immediately after Hurricane Andrew. The entire early warning system in Homestead had been entirely destroyed. The evacuation routes were still problematic. The power industry has no desire to proceed with caution.
 
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Um Improve nuclear security guys... If you can get so close... I mean look at all the media coverage on nuclear power plant security.. still freaks me out.
 

Linflas

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We don't have them because of the coincidence of the Three Mile Island incident occuring the same summer as this movie came out.
 

So

Lifer
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Originally posted by: DLeRium
Um Improve nuclear security guys... If you can get so close... I mean look at all the media coverage on nuclear power plant security.. still freaks me out.

Ummm...the media makes money scaring you....they know they can get to you with the nuclear boogeyman.