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Would you go to an ATOT swinger party?

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Sonikku

Lifer
Jun 23, 2005
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Unfortunately, it is even worse than that.

<--- Is what passes for a woman around here. :eek:
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
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Unfortunately, it is even worse than that.

<--- Is what passes for a woman around here. :eek:

Only "passes" for a woman? I can lend a critical eye toward any photographic evidence you may be willing to send via personal correspondence, if you so wish. ;)
 

Darwin333

Lifer
Dec 11, 2006
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You go to hell, you go to hell and you die.

I didn't want to eat lunch anyway.

If there is a hell I fully assume that I am heading there along with all of the other cool kids and slutty women. You kind of got it backward there though, pretty sure you have to die first and then go to hell. Sorry if you didn't like the taste of the soggy biscuit, I have never had to eat one before. Did you at least get it all the way down?
 

kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
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You kind of got it backward there though, pretty sure you have to die first and then go to hell.

False! I'm originally from Detroit, your argument is therefor invalid.

Sorry if you didn't like the taste of the soggy biscuit, I have never had to eat one before. Did you at least get it all the way down?

Nope, made it about 1.8 seconds into that article, scroll button didn't even enter into it. That was blue waffle territory, I bailed out. One does not simply peruse blue waffle territory.

I really need to stop being curious about these phrases. It never ends well.
 

Ruptga

Lifer
Aug 3, 2006
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Oh.. I mean I wouldn't want to stop them but... that's just so foreign - it feels dehumanizing, like using a person as a sex toy instead of exploring yourselves together in love for a time...

Do these people not know about what I'm saying - or are they just looking for something new?

I mean - I don't know - but is it possible to maintain passionate love based sex while being a person who engages in what I'm calling here "living sex toy" sex?

Again - I don't intend to be a judgemental ass, so if my ignorance is offensive to folks who chose this lifestyle I totally don't intend it.

I may have missed it in all the horseshit that followed and that I didn't read, but love and sex are not the same thing, it's not actually that hard to experience one without the other.
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
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I may have missed it in all the horseshit that followed and that I didn't read, but love and sex are not the same thing, it's not actually that hard to experience one without the other.

I think what a lot of people forget is that sex is just an activity. Most people attach a lot of significance to that activity because they restrict it so much that doing it feels special. But it is a lot like a turkey dinner. If you only have turkey dinners on one day a year while surrounded by family and loved ones you tend to attach a special meaning to it, but if you tend to make turkey dinners randomly as a normal part of your meals throughout the year it is just another meal. That does not make that one day a year when you are surrounded by family and loved ones less special, it just means it is not the turkey that is making it special it is the people and the significance we put into it that does.
 

Darwin333

Lifer
Dec 11, 2006
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I think what a lot of people forget is that sex is just an activity. Most people attach a lot of significance to that activity because they restrict it so much that doing it feels special. But it is a lot like a turkey dinner. If you only have turkey dinners on one day a year while surrounded by family and loved ones you tend to attach a special meaning to it, but if you tend to make turkey dinners randomly as a normal part of your meals throughout the year it is just another meal. That does not make that one day a year when you are surrounded by family and loved ones less special, it just means it is not the turkey that is making it special it is the people and the significance we put into it that does.

Well when you are married it is usually a bit different.

I'm not saying that swingers are wrong in any way whatsoever. I'm a huge proponent of whatever consenting adults do in the comfort of their homes, privacy of a hotel room, or whatever that makes them happy, more power to them.
 

Dr. Zaus

Lifer
Oct 16, 2008
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I may have missed it in all the horseshit that followed and that I didn't read, but love and sex are not the same thing, it's not actually that hard to experience one without the other.
So that makes sense to me - but it feels like I wouldn't be able to enjoy sex as a deeper connection if I was using people for sex as just an activity. (and all sorts of experiences and degrees in-between)

I think what a lot of people forget is that sex is just an activity. Most people attach a lot of significance to that activity because they restrict it so much that doing it feels special. But it is a lot like a turkey dinner. If you only have turkey dinners on one day a year while surrounded by family and loved ones you tend to attach a special meaning to it, but if you tend to make turkey dinners randomly as a normal part of your meals throughout the year it is just another meal. That does not make that one day a year when you are surrounded by family and loved ones less special, it just means it is not the turkey that is making it special it is the people and the significance we put into it that does.
So you're positing that a person can have the ceremonial/spiritual/love related sex the day before and after having sex with a prostitute?

I can accept that mentally. I can't imagine my own world where that would be possible, which is why it was confusing. But I accept people for who they are and how they are, if someone is unhappy I have some experiences I can share that worked for me, but otherwise I am literally happy for everyone that finds a happy (non-violent) way to live their lives.
 
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SMOGZINN

Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
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So you're positing that a person can have the ceremonial/spiritual/love related sex the day before and after having sex with a prostitute?

Yes, most definitely. Because we are the ones that assign the meaning to it, not the other way around. I also have an analogy to a team sport. Most of the time a player plays with their team and when they win a game it is special because it is something they shared with their team. But that does not mean that playing a pickup game with a bunch of strangers is not fun as well. It is just fun for a different reason.

I can accept that mentally. I can't imagine my own world where that would be possible, which is why it was confusing. But I accept people for who they are and how they are, if someone is unhappy I have some experiences I can share that worked for me, but otherwise I am literally happy for everyone that finds a happy (non-violent) way to live their lives.

I agree. The world is plenty big enough for both of these points of view. If you are happy, then you are happy, and who am I to say otherwise.
 

Fritzo

Lifer
Jan 3, 2001
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I lived a sheltered life as a young adult. Met my wife when I was 20 and we have been together ever since so I missed out on all the fun wild stuff.

Same here. Been together for 20+ years now.
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
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Married guys have sex?

My argument is not really about scarcity, it is about assigned meaning. The turkey analogy is comparing limiting having sex with one person to limiting having turkey on one specific day. That might not have been as clear as it should have been.
 

Darwin333

Lifer
Dec 11, 2006
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I am most definitely projecting your argument, I apologize. Please make your argument on why marriage changes sex.

It usually changes who you are "allowed" to have sex with and to most people it does have meaning when they have strong feelings for each other beyond it being a turkey dinner. Besides, who are you to say what significance people should/can attach to any activity much less sex?
 

GagHalfrunt

Lifer
Apr 19, 2001
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False! I'm originally from Detroit, your argument is therefor invalid.

Okay, Detroit is about as close to hell as you can get in the USA. But do you think it's possible that there's someplace worse? Beirut or Damascus or those places in China where you're not allowed to breathe the air three or four days a week? Maybe the devil is just screwing with us and Detroit isn't really as bad as it seems. <shudder>
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
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It usually changes who you are "allowed" to have sex with and to most people it does have meaning when they have strong feelings for each other beyond it being a turkey dinner. Besides, who are you to say what significance people should/can attach to any activity much less sex?

Lets start out by saying that I'm not trying to tell anyone what they should do. I've stated explicitly that if you are happy with how you have sex, then be happy. I'm talking about what they can do.

There is no reason why marriage must include a sexual fidelity clause.
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
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Lets start out by saying that I'm not trying to tell anyone what they should do. I've stated explicitly that if you are happy with how you have sex, then be happy. I'm talking about what they can do.

There is no reason why marriage must include a sexual fidelity clause.

The biggest caveat I'll add here, is that not everyone could even be said to be capable of that and maintaining a stable, healthy marriage. But otherwise I completely agree! Sex is what it is for people, and it's different for everyone. Personal beliefs, institutional beliefs, and of course religion, they all play a big role in how people shape their view.

But there are certainly the type of people that, when they meet a like minded partner, they can live the wildest life imaginable and still be madly in love with each other and excited to be together.
 
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Scarpozzi

Lifer
Jun 13, 2000
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My argument is not really about scarcity, it is about assigned meaning. The turkey analogy is comparing limiting having sex with one person to limiting having turkey on one specific day. That might not have been as clear as it should have been.
As long as you're massaging butter into the breasts, spreading open those thighs and stuffing that bird, it's all the same....don't even get me started on basting.