Well Qwest admitted that they were approached by the NSA, so there is some truth behind the article.
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"New Presidential Memorandum Permits Intelligence Director To Authorize Telcos [or any company] To Lie Without Violating Securities Law
"In recent days, AT&T, Bell South and Verizon have all issued statements denying that they?ve handed over phone records to the NSA, as reported by USA today....
"Ordinarily, a company that conceals their transactions and activities from the public would violate securities law. But an presidential memorandum signed by the President on May 5 allows the Director of National Intelligence, John Negroponte, to authorize a company to conceal activities related to national security. (See 15 U.S.C. 78m(b)(3)(A))
"There is no evidence that this executive order has been used by John Negroponte with respect to the telcos. Of course, if it was used, we wouldn?t know about it. "
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"In recent days, AT&T, Bell South and Verizon have all issued statements denying that they?ve handed over phone records to the NSA, as reported by USA today....
"Ordinarily, a company that conceals their transactions and activities from the public would violate securities law. But an presidential memorandum signed by the President on May 5 allows the Director of National Intelligence, John Negroponte, to authorize a company to conceal activities related to national security. (See 15 U.S.C. 78m(b)(3)(A))
"There is no evidence that this executive order has been used by John Negroponte with respect to the telcos. Of course, if it was used, we wouldn?t know about it. "
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Read about that yesterday... well that settles the dispute on whether or not the phone companies did it.
Nice cover up by everyone involved. <golf clap> Now, if it were legal for the gov't to obtain those records from the telcos and legal for the telcos to hand it over, then why bother covering it up?
skooma
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Seems like the ones complaining are doing something illegal and are afraid of being caught, otherwise, what is all the whine about? Just like the people who speed on the highway are the ones who hate highway troopers, but the ones who obey the speed limit sign can care less.
Strange, my liberal friends told me I was just being a political hack when I was outraged by Clinton authorized the capturing of all electronic transmissions and scanning those transmissions for specific words.
Once again my liberal friends are telling me that I'm a political hack because I have only some reservations at the thought of capturing telephone numbers (no transmissions and no names).
Yep, listening in and retaining conversations is ok if a liberal is doing it but simply collecting numbers is bad if a conservative is doing it. No hypocrisy there.
Once again my liberal friends are telling me that I'm a political hack because I have only some reservations at the thought of capturing telephone numbers (no transmissions and no names).
Yep, listening in and retaining conversations is ok if a liberal is doing it but simply collecting numbers is bad if a conservative is doing it. No hypocrisy there.
Can I come to your house and go through all your things? After all, you don't have anything to hide.
The "nothing to hide" is a retarded argument and shouldn't be used by anyone who can tie their own shoes.
Well perhaps you should stop hanging out with such hypocrites. Otherwise, your annecdotal data simply doesn't necessarily apply to liberals at large. "Carnivore" and similar Clinton-era efforts were nasty, civil-rights voiding programs too. Doesn't matter who's in charge, the public needs to resist efforts like this.
Grabbing aggregate data for all U.S. calls may slide in under most people's radar, until you inform them that if the NSA found a particular trend interesting, they could quite easily go back and get the identities that correspond to those calls.
It's like playing Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon. Put enough aggregate data into the NSA computers and out come all sorts of interesting trends. So if you live in Brooklyn and just happen to like the same restaurant as suspected terrorists, woops! You've just earned a permanent pen register tap on all of your lines of communication.
Yay for liberty! :|
Next time you go to the bathroom and take a sh!t I hope you won't mind if I open your bathroom door and watch while you do it.
... same thing
If you are a law enforcement officer and what you are doing can make the world a better place, then by all means. Otherwise, you're just whining. Why don't you complain about the airport taking away privacy when they search our bags? What about theme parks such as Disney taking away our privacy when they search our bags? Where is the outcry when you walk into a 7-Eleven and get recorded on a security camera?
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