NSA reforms fail in the senate

[ivwshane]

Good'ol Mitch mcconnel doing the best he can for us Americans.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/katenocera/...t-limits-on-the-nsa-fails-key-senate?s=mobile

"The programs we have in place strike an appropriate balance between protecting our civil liberties and keeping our nation safe. And I think the bill before us would upend that delicate balance completely," McConnell said.

Anyone know the details of the bill and who voted which way? And keep in mind, this was simply a vote to allow it to be debated. If it would have passed it really wouldn't have meant much other than a discussion is finally being had.

 

[master_shake_]

"The programs we have in place strike an appropriate balance between protecting our civil liberties and keeping our nation safe. And I think the bill before us would upend that delicate balance completely," McConnell said.

is he serious?

protecting civil liberties really?

i didn't know collecting everything you've ever done on line was protecting you.

ooooooh i get it....

he's full of shit.

 

[michal1980]

I know the libs are confused. but the democrats currently run the senate

 

[Victorian Gray]

More info and the roll call on the vote:

http://www.wired.com/2014/11/usa-freedom-act-fails-in-senate/

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/...fm?congress=113&session=2&vote=00282#position

 

[TheSlamma]

I know the libs are confused. but the democrats currently run the senate

And when it does shift over it's still not going to matter. Lib or Con it doesn't matter, you both bow to your corporate masters and ask for more.

 

[ivwshane]

I know the libs are confused. but the democrats currently run the senate

Do you purposely post to show everyone how stupid you are? No one here is confused but you.

 

[ivwshane]

More info and the roll call on the vote:

http://www.wired.com/2014/11/usa-freedom-act-fails-in-senate/

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/...fm?congress=113&session=2&vote=00282#position

Thanks!

It looks like a democrat from Florida voted no, all other no's were rebulucans except for about three.

I'm glad Feinstein voted yes, she's been a strong proponent of the patriot act and the CIA in general (at least until they decided to spy on her) and I wasn't sure she could be changed.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Thanks!

It looks like a democrat from Florida voted no, all other no's were rebulucans except for about three.

I'm glad Feinstein voted yes, she's been a strong proponent of the patriot act and the CIA in general (at least until they decided to spy on her) and I wasn't sure she could be changed.

I'd be surprised if she has. They generally know the numbers well before a vote of this type. I call political theatre on the vote myself.

 

[master_shake_]

i see john (build the damn fence) mccain is all for NSA spying...

shocker.

 

[shady28]

Thanks!

It looks like a democrat from Florida voted no, all other no's were rebulucans except for about three.

I'm glad Feinstein voted yes, she's been a strong proponent of the patriot act and the CIA in general (at least until they decided to spy on her) and I wasn't sure she could be changed.

She hasn't. Her motivation is different from what it appears :

"Senator Dianne Feinstein (D – California), a supporter of the bulk-records collection program, initially opposed the USA FREEDOM Act but changed her mind out of fear that if the Senate didn’t pass this bill allowing a revised version of collection program to continue the program was at risk of being cancelled entirely next year if Section 215 is allowed to expire next year. She viewed the compromise offered under the USA FREEDOM Act preferable to the alternative."

And you're right, Republicans voted almost entirely against the bill.

Of course, a year ago those same Democrats & Obama were staunch defenders of the NSA policies that Snowden helped reveal.

Same poison, different package, Democrats and Republicans.

 

[ivwshane]

She hasn't. Her motivation is different from what it appears :

"Senator Dianne Feinstein (D – California), a supporter of the bulk-records collection program, initially opposed the USA FREEDOM Act but changed her mind out of fear that if the Senate didn’t pass this bill allowing a revised version of collection program to continue the program was at risk of being cancelled entirely next year if Section 215 is allowed to expire next year. She viewed the compromise offered under the USA FREEDOM Act preferable to the alternative."

And you're right, Republicans voted almost entirely against the bill.

Of course, a year ago those same Democrats & Obama were staunch defenders of the NSA policies that Snowden helped reveal.

Same poison, different package, Democrats and Republicans.

The dems aren't all aligned on this issue, some support the patriot act (I'd probably say a majority) and others don't support it. The fact that Feinsteins reasoning for supporting such a bill is to get compromise rather than seeing it not be reauthorized (do you honestly see that happening? I don't), doesn't bother me. I'd rather have a compromiser who is willing to concede to fixing some issues rather than someone who sticks to their guns and who disregards the faults in their position.

 

[sportage]

HEHE on this.
You voted them back in, not me.
That clicking sound on the other end of the phone is their bottle of anal lube opening up.
Just 4 u

 

[ivwshane]

HEHE on this.
You voted them back in, not me.
That clicking sound on the other end of the phone is their bottle of anal lube opening up.
Just 4 u

Who's "you"?

 

[cubby1223]

The Dems are actually thanking Republicans on this one. They get to keep all the spy programs and take none of the heat.

Or Obama could totally prove he is for the freedom act by executive actioning away duties from the NSA. It's the trending way to deal with the important issues of the day.

 

[ivwshane]

The Dems are actually thanking Republicans on this one. They get to keep all the spy programs and take none of the heat.

Or Obama could totally prove he is for the freedom act by executive actioning away duties from the NSA. It's the trending way to deal with the important issues of the day.

Herp derp

 

[soccerballtux]

The Dems are actually thanking Republicans on this one. They get to keep all the spy programs and take none of the heat.

Or Obama could totally prove he is for the freedom act by executive actioning away duties from the NSA. It's the trending way to deal with the important issues of the day.

member what happened to JFK?
Yeah he wasn't a fan of the CIA.
He went MIA.
the NSA?
here to stay.

 

[compuwiz1]

Some idiots don't seem to understand that the shift change doesn't happen til January, but already blaming Repubs for current events. Liberals..... lol!

 

[cyclohexane]

I know the libs are confused. but the democrats currently run the senate

You must be a retard, all Repubs voted against NSA reforms.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You must be a retard, all Repubs voted against NSA reforms.

Huffpo was playing up Rand Paul voting against it in a headline, but ignored the reason. This bill was a bad compromise it turns out because it extends the basis for this nonsense (the patriot act) AND also increases its scope to phone records. The best thing to do is put pressure on the pols to not renew the Act

 

[Jhhnn]

Some idiots don't seem to understand that the shift change doesn't happen til January, but already blaming Repubs for current events. Liberals..... lol!

So, uhh, more Repubs would have voted for the bill had they been in charge in the Senate, or what?

 

[Jhhnn]

Huffpo was playing up Rand Paul voting against it in a headline, but ignored the reason. This bill was a bad compromise it turns out because it extends the basis for this nonsense (the patriot act) AND also increases it's scope to phone records.

Source?

Whatever makes you think that the Patriot Act will ever go away rather than be modified, anyway? Particularly with Repub majorities in both houses?

Come January, Leahy's efforts likely won't even make it out of committee to receive any kind of floor vote.

 

[Matt1970]

Huffpo was playing up Rand Paul voting against it in a headline, but ignored the reason. This bill was a bad compromise it turns out because it extends the basis for this nonsense (the patriot act) AND also increases its scope to phone records. The best thing to do is put pressure on the pols to not renew the Act

So the "reforms" were actually going to make things worse? Why am I not surprised.

 

[Jhhnn]

So the "reforms" were actually going to make things worse? Why am I not surprised.

Remarkable. Any unsubstantiated assertion that affirms your belief system is instantly absorbed as "fact", then embellished further to suit your agenda.

More info-

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...otes-short-of-shutting-down-nsa-phone-spying/

 

[FerrelGeek]

Source?

Whatever makes you think that the Patriot Act will ever go away rather than be modified, anyway? Particularly with Repub majorities in both houses?

Come January, Leahy's efforts likely won't even make it out of committee to receive any kind of floor vote.

And what about the 2 years when the dems ram both houses of congress? Obama, Palpatine, and the unblinking one could've dealt with it then, but they didn't. I have no love for the spineless lot of reps in DC, but the dems are a brood of malevolent sociopaths.

 

[fskimospy]

And what about the 2 years when the dems ram both houses of congress? Obama, Palpatine, and the unblinking one could've dealt with it then, but they didn't. I have no love for the spineless lot of reps in DC, but the dems are a brood of malevolent sociopaths.

It's basically the opposite of this. Democrats oppose efforts like this when they are in the minority but because they are craven cowards continue to support them when in the majority. Republicans have made no secret that they enthusiastically support these type of programs all the time, minority or majority.

Sure there are exceptions, such as Feinstein, who seems to love her some NSA, but broadly this is the stance of the two parties. So I guess it depends on if you like a party that only supports the 4th amendment when it is convenient (democrats) or one that basically doesn't care about it at all (republicans). I guess at least the republicans are consistent in their shittiness and own up to it.