NSA Cheif on record : Election swayed by foreign entity

[kage69]

WTF does race have to do with any of this?!? You really should try to wash up after the burnings....some is showing here.

I guess you can't trust black prosecutors they same way you can't trust Mexican judges? Only white/orange Americans can do their jobs objectively, didn't you get that email?

 

[theeedude]

Russia is a master of fake news and internet trolling. They have a whole agency in charge of it.
http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-internet-trolls-and-donald-trump-2016-7

Russia's troll factories were, at one point, likely being paid by the Kremlin to spread pro-Trump propaganda on social media.

You can't blame Russia for pursuing its own interests using the means at its disposal. It's more a sign of a weakening US democracy that it can so easily be manipulated, not just by outside players, but by rogue actors in the FBI.

 

[kage69]

Russia is a master of fake news and internet trolling. They have a whole agency in charge of it.
http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-internet-trolls-and-donald-trump-2016-7

You can't blame Russia for pursuing its own interests using the means at its disposal. It's more a sign of a weakening US democracy that it can so easily be manipulated, not just by outside players, but by rogue actors in the FBI.

Excellent post, well said.

 

[Jhhnn]

Russia is a master of fake news and internet trolling. They have a whole agency in charge of it.
http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-internet-trolls-and-donald-trump-2016-7

You can't blame Russia for pursuing its own interests using the means at its disposal. It's more a sign of a weakening US democracy that it can so easily be manipulated, not just by outside players, but by rogue actors in the FBI.

The truthiness of right wing agitprop has been weakening our democracy for decades. It's all in the feelz.

 

[cytg111]

Russia is a master of fake news and internet trolling. They have a whole agency in charge of it.
http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-internet-trolls-and-donald-trump-2016-7

You can't blame Russia for pursuing its own interests using the means at its disposal. It's more a sign of a weakening US democracy that it can so easily be manipulated, not just by outside players, but by rogue actors in the FBI.

Yea, this is all over europe and eastern europe as well. It is not only social media, whenever a tabloid with an online profile posts an article on foreign affairs that may include special interests the comment sections is overrun with propaganda, a few years ago the language was detectable as not first but today it is honed to perfection ie. you cannot tell it is not a swede german brit or whatever, however, if you trace all these posters back they all rendezvou the same place place, last i heard it was somewhere in the Balkans and from there to ie. Saint Petersburg. The russian propaganda machine is hard at work for sure - though - for the time being it is flying under the radar, everyone knows but nothing official put towards it. *shrugs*

 

[Chiropteran]

You mean this?

http://www.politifact.com/arizona/s...llary-clinton-take-money-countries-treat-wom/

Stop using fake news websites.

http://www.politifactbias.com/

 

[Jhhnn]

You mean this?

http://www.politifact.com/arizona/s...llary-clinton-take-money-countries-treat-wom/

Imagine the victory of women's rights everywhere had we elected a woman as President.

So, uhh, be careful because the floor is all slippery from the crocodile tears of America's own misogynists.

 

[Sunburn74]

Both CNN and msnbc are posting this story:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/hillary-clinton-challenge-results/index.html

Apparently there are suspicious vote total discrepancies between hackable electronic machines and machines that use paper ballots as back up in at least 3 swing states, up to a 7% difference against Hillary and enough to overturn the election. Hillary is being pushed to challenge the election and the DOJ are being pushed to investigate Russian hacking.

Down the rabbit hole we go.

 

[Vic]

Both CNN and msnbc are posting this story:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/hillary-clinton-challenge-results/index.html

Apparently there are suspicious vote total discrepancies between hackable electronic machines and machines that use paper ballots as back up in at least 3 swing states, up to a 7% difference against Hillary and enough to overturn the election. Hillary is being pushed to challenge the election and the DOJ are being pushed to investigate Russian hacking.

Down the rabbit hole we go.

Is anyone really surprised by this?

 

[Sonikku]

That's really reaching considering that the only involvement that can really be linked to the Russians is the hacking of the DNC and of Hilary Clinton's emails. So, we would have to ignore the other reasons why Trump had more support, such as the dissatisfaction of the rural and middle class voters.

In a shocking twist the Pope endorsed Donald Trump! What were voters supposed to do?!

 

[Sunburn74]

Is anyone really surprised by this?

Russian hacking? I'm not surprised. It doesnt take much to throw an election without our current system . Just a few votes in a few key states and that's it. Given the degree of collusion we are seeing with the Kremlin and the Trump campaign, it's not out of the realm of possibility that fishy stuff happened on election day.

But I have to say if there are anything to these allegations I think she should chase them down. You can't have future elections being determined by the Russians.

 

[lopri]

Here is a tangentially related story of Bannon.

Breitbart Could Become America’s RT

In Russia, the media looks like the media of the West but operates differently. RT, formerly Russia Today, is the most visible example of this as the Kremlin’s network for foreign audiences. The famed news source is state funded, state directed and incredibly bizarre.

The Kremlin has a point of view and spreads it across the globe via RT. Here’s the thing though — the network doesn’t hide that it’s state controlled and funded. It is also ideologically flexible and a purveyor of conspiracy theories, which often contradict each other. “Every single day we’re lying and finder sexier ways to do it,” said Sara Firth, a former RT correspondent who resigned in 2014.

This is part of an elaborate system where the Kremlin has kept its opponents off balance by undermining truth. Vladislav Surkov, a personal adviser to Vladimir Putin, is the architect of this system. In various positions in Putin’s government over the past two decades, Surkov would fund human rights organizations then give money to skinheads and ask them to protest those same groups.

 

[rudder]

Here is a tangentially related story of Bannon.

Breitbart Could Become America’s RT

Coulda woulda shoulda been the Clinton News Network taking on that role.

And on topic.... why was no one bitching when obama was using taxpayer money to try and influence elections in Israel? Hell, I could name a lot more elections that the U.S. government made attempts to influence. But even getting into one like the Ukraine could take a while to ascertain the amount of influence the U.S. exerted when the country when through a change of government. Just not worth the time because obama fanbois wouldn't believe any sources I presented. Even if I linked to the actual audio of U.S. diplomats in the Ukraine talking over unsecured phone lines.

Unless there is tangible evidence of Russian changing votes on voting machines... it is just more post election whining. I would rather see investigations into how many Hillary votes were from illegal aliens.

 

[lopri]

Coulda woulda shoulda been the Clinton News Network taking on that role.

Did you read the linked article? The "could" in that sentence is not past tense if the title is meant to convey the sentiment portrayed in the article.

 

[ivwshane]

Coulda woulda shoulda been the Clinton News Network taking on that role.

And on topic.... why was no one bitching when obama was using taxpayer money to try and influence elections in Israel? Hell, I could name a lot more elections that the U.S. government made attempts to influence. But even getting into one like the Ukraine could take a while to ascertain the amount of influence the U.S. exerted when the country when through a change of government. Just not worth the time because obama fanbois wouldn't believe any sources I presented. Even if I linked to the actual audio of U.S. diplomats in the Ukraine talking over unsecured phone lines.

Unless there is tangible evidence of Russian changing votes on voting machines... it is just more post election whining. I would rather see investigations into how many Hillary votes were from illegal aliens.

Of course you would! Because you are a hack. It certainly doesn't take much for you to claim Hillary was corrupt but multiple government agencies saying that the Russians are behind hacks and there is a possibility that they are trying to affect the elections and suddenly you don't give a shit about lies and corruption.

But yeah, go ahead and do some more diverting, it's not like your motives aren't transparent to anyone with a brain wave.

 

[blankslate]

which foreign entity?

this one?


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[cytg111]

What would the ramifications be? If Trump knows anything about this it should be evident on his face first time a journalist pops the question.
Short term ramifications, Trumps our Clinton is in.
Longer term ramifications : relations with Russia? Scary?

 

[agent00f]

What would the ramifications be? If Trump knows anything about this it should be evident on his face first time a journalist pops the question.
Short term ramifications, Trumps our Clinton is in.
Longer term ramifications : relations with Russia? Scary?

Even if this were true trumpsters won't give a shit. Once people like that taste power it's you or them.

 

[WelshBloke]

Coulda woulda shoulda been the Clinton News Network taking on that role.

And on topic.... why was no one bitching when obama was using taxpayer money to try and influence elections in Israel? Hell, I could name a lot more elections that the U.S. government made attempts to influence. But even getting into one like the Ukraine could take a while to ascertain the amount of influence the U.S. exerted when the country when through a change of government. Just not worth the time because obama fanbois wouldn't believe any sources I presented. Even if I linked to the actual audio of U.S. diplomats in the Ukraine talking over unsecured phone lines.

Unless there is tangible evidence of Russian changing votes on voting machines... it is just more post election whining. I would rather see investigations into how many Hillary votes were from illegal aliens.

What? Seriously?

You're OK with this? Because the USA tried to influence events in Ukraine you're ok with Russia influencing the US election?

So if the US bombs, say ISIS, you're OK with ISIS planting bombs in US cities?

There's a word for people who think like that.

 

[agent00f]

What? Seriously?

You're OK with this? Because the USA tried to influence events in Ukraine you're ok with Russia influencing the US election?

So if the US bombs, say ISIS, you're OK with ISIS planting bombs in US cities?

There's a word for people who think like that.

He doesn't care as long as Trump tells him they've won.

 

[Sunburn74]

Unless there is tangible evidence of Russian changing votes on voting machines... it is just more post election whining. I would rather see investigations into how many Hillary votes were from illegal aliens.

It is very suspicious that from county to county if you stratify voting by the type of machine they used, Hillary loses when their is no paper trail especially when the blue wall mysteriously collapsed with no prior warning. Polls in Michigan and WI had her up 4-6 points in those states. There just doesn't seem to be a rational explanation why counties that voted pro trump prefer electronic only machines without a paper trail. There was also a paper I read a few days ago about how in OH the machines there could generate a paper trail but this option was intentionally turned off by the Republican leadership for reasons that remain unclear today as well despite inquiries by investigative journalists.

I have to say I was suspicious when I first heard trump won those states but accepted it as fact due to concessions and generally moving forward but honestly if it's shown that there was mass tampering of votes, this would throw out country into unprecedented territory. Could the SCOTUS get involved again? Oh my head hurts just thinking about it.

 

[rudder]

What? Seriously?

You're OK with this? Because the USA tried to influence events in Ukraine you're ok with Russia influencing the US election?

So if the US bombs, say ISIS, you're OK with ISIS planting bombs in US cities?

There's a word for people who think like that.

Why would I be okay with any of those scenarios (not sure how you would even read into something like that based on my response)? if there was actual evidence I would be pissed... but I am calling bullshit on this though.

And if the U.S. bombs ISIS is it not unreasonable to expect they may try to do some damage within the United States? Very moronic to think that one would approve of ISIS detonating a bomb in the U.S. because we blew up a few some jihadi convoys.

If the U.S. screws around with Russia's neighbors it is not unreasonable to assume they would try to retaliate in some manner. But again the NSA has a long way to go to earn my trust which, again, is why I think this is all crap.

You Need to think a little more when attempt to counterpoint using flawed thought processes. I don't know... maybe re-read what you typed a couple of times before you hit the post button.

 

[rudder]

It is very suspicious that from county to county if you stratify voting by the type of machine they used, Hillary loses when their is no paper trail especially when the blue wall mysteriously collapsed with no prior warning. Polls in Michigan and WI had her up 4-6 points in those states. There just doesn't seem to be a rational explanation why counties that voted pro trump prefer electronic only machines without a paper trail. There was also a paper I read a few days ago about how in OH the machines there could generate a paper trail but this option was intentionally turned off by the Republican leadership for reasons that remain unclear today as well despite inquiries by investigative journalists.

I have to say I was suspicious when I first heard trump won those states but accepted it as fact due to concessions and generally moving forward but honestly if it's shown that there was mass tampering of votes, this would throw out country into unprecedented territory. Could the SCOTUS get involved again? Oh my head hurts just thinking about it.

Are you talking exit polls or pre-election polls? There was definitely an anti-trump bias with many pollsters. Polls were all over the place and i honestly believe they skewed the fact that Trump would go on to fare better than many polls indicated.

 

[cytg111]

but I am calling bullshit on this though.

I think it is this one. How can you call bullshit on this unless you yourself is a computer scientist of equal or better value, that has taken the same time or more time to evaluate the data that makes grounds for the accusation at hand?
I think it is the face value of dismissing something that one have no expertise to dismiss that equates into "you must be ok with" because it reveals a predetermined demeanor concerning the topic at hand that cannot be shaken by any kind of new information.

 

[Jhhnn]

I think it is this one. How can you call bullshit on this unless you yourself is a computer scientist of equal or better value, that has taken the same time or more time to evaluate the data that makes grounds for the accusation at hand?
I think it is the face value of dismissing something that one have no expertise to dismiss that equates into "you must be ok with" because it reveals a predetermined demeanor concerning the topic at hand that cannot be shaken by any kind of new information.

People who function on the basis of truthiness don't realize that's what's happening. They don't evaluate before they believe & merely rationalize after the fact.