NSA Cheif on record : Election swayed by foreign entity

[cytg111]

Possibly replace Hillary because media would have had time to for the circle jerk to slow down.

You would have another outer common enemy, the group cohesion dynamics that ruled this election would probably be different.

 

[piasabird]

Clinton tried to blame the FBI for a letter the FBI sent to congress. However, if Loretta Lynch, the Black Liberal Attorney General had not obstructed justice by denying their warrant to look at the files, They could have discovered there was no new information, and no one would have been notified because there was no new evidence. Liberals shot themselves in the foot.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Ignoring the partisan talk this is something I wish we would all work on. Messing with an election should get us all concerned even if that messing made it easier for your side to win.
Perception is important because if Russia or someone else perceives they can alter results they'll do more and more. Equally important is we can't allow shit leaks make us think our elections aren't accurate.

 

[Pens1566]

Clinton tried to blame the FBI for a letter the FBI sent to congress. However, if Loretta Lynch, the Black Liberal Attorney General had not obstructed justice by denying their warrant to look at the files, They could have discovered there was no new information, and no one would have been notified because there was no new evidence. Liberals shot themselves in the foot.

I'm sorry, link to where a warrant was denied? And no, FB shared links aren't proof.

 

[momeNt]

The date of the election is mandated by the constitution, it can not be postponed. Regardless I don't know what it would've really accomplished, except to let the BS letter from Comey fade away. Personally I think the FBI in the final week had more effect on the election than Russia and the people at fault in the FBI should be fired and possibly charged, and this is far beyond just the Comey letter.

So you're trying to say, that maybe in a hypothetical, that if presented with evidence that Trump was a Manchurian Siberian Candidate, that because it's in the constitution we would be stuck with him, or if impeached, stuck with the VP simply because we cannot be flexible?

If that's the case then throw the constitution out on its ass, we have a country to save.

 

[PokerGuy]

There's nothing hysterical about it. He's been holed up in Trump Tower since the election. Minus the steakhouse. He's reporting it himself that he's been talking to every foreign leader under the sun. You could look for yourself if you wanted, but we know you don't want to. Because media == not true. Just like flat-earthers say about anything NASA reports.

So he's been a Trump tower. And he's talked to other heads of state. And? Are you telling me there is no way for him to communicate on a secure line from there? How do you know this? Secrets are going to leak, alert the media, I'm sure they'll be all over it! Or , they won't because it's nonsense.

 

[PokerGuy]

Possibly replace Hillary because media would have had time to for the circle jerk to slow down.

hahaha, yeah, fat chance of that. Lets not forget that up until the day before the election she looked to have it in the bag, the champaign was on ice at the symbolic glass ceiling building in NY. She easily won the (rigged) primaries, and there were no criminal charges brought against her. On what grounds exactly do you you think they would seek to just toss her aside and move to another candidate?

 

[momeNt]

hahaha, yeah, fat chance of that. Lets not forget that up until the day before the election she looked to have it in the bag, the champaign was on ice at the symbolic glass ceiling building in NY. She easily won the (rigged) primaries, and there were no criminal charges brought against her. On what grounds exactly do you you think they would seek to just toss her aside and move to another candidate?

On no grounds would THEY have tossed her aside.

I was calling for it the week before the election to cancel and nominate somebody else. Because I felt the forces at play and knew what was happening.

 

[Humpy]

Assassinating a candidate or manipulating vote counts would be something.

Your email was hacked? Good. Secure your shit or you deserve to lose.

 

[PokerGuy]

So you're trying to say, that maybe in a hypothetical, that if presented with evidence that Trump was a Manchurian Siberian Candidate, that because it's in the constitution we would be stuck with him, or if impeached, stuck with the VP simply because we cannot be flexible?

Uh, yes, that's exactly what any sane person would say. You know, rule of law and all that jazz? If needed congress could always impeach both Pence and Trump if it was that dire.

If that's the case then throw the constitution out on its ass, we have a country to save.

Or, we could not be hysterical children and approach things logically. The constitution is the core law of the land on which everything is based. You don't just throw it out on a whim when you don't like how something goes. There are plenty of ways within the constitution to handle such issues.

 

[soundforbjt]

So he's been a Trump tower. And he's talked to other heads of state. And? Are you telling me there is no way for him to communicate on a secure line from there? How do you know this? Secrets are going to leak, alert the media, I'm sure they'll be all over it! Or , they won't because it's nonsense.

Did you hear about how one leader got in touch with Trump? He asked Greg Norman and got his cell number. Don't sound too secure to me.

 

[highland145]

Maybe he's just following the procedures used by Hillary. Worked well enough.


Back to the topic, IIRC there were some unexpected protests for Putin's last "election" and he blamed the US so the emails were payback...maybe. Who knows?

There was another thing about the voting system being so decentralized that it would be very difficult to make major changes. But, again, talking heads talking.

Maybe the swaying was the many $$ HRC took in with pay for play?

 

[werepossum]

That's really reaching considering that the only involvement that can really be linked to the Russians is the hacking of the DNC and of Hilary Clinton's emails. So, we would have to ignore the other reasons why Trump had more support, such as the dissatisfaction of the rural and middle class voters.

But anyway, let's look at the hackings that occurred, that we are pretty sure were perpetrated by the Russians.

You know what the irony is?

When the NSA tells us about how they are wiretapping everything and listening to all conversations, the line they use is:
"You have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide"

So now, I'll use the same line on Hilary Clinton - you have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide.

If the DNC hadn't conspired to rig the primaries against Sanders, and if Clinton had exercised due care in terms of her email security, this would be a non-issue. If Donna Brazile hadn't passed the questions to Hilary Clinton before the debate, this would be a non-issue.

The Russians exposed what was there. Don't do those bad things, and there will be nothing to expose.

lol +1

Thank goodness Hillary Clinton protected us from this "Unnamed nation-state" during her time as Secretary of State. They'd never think to look for American secrets on a private server without encryption.

 

[PokerGuy]

Did you hear about how one leader got in touch with Trump? He asked Greg Norman and got his cell number. Don't sound too secure to me.

Oh heavens no, some other head of state decided to call him on his cell. I'm sure neither of them had any idea that they were just talking on a cell phone, I'm sure they were quickly relaying all sorts of nasty top secrets for someone to listen in on. Seriously, that's the best controversy you can come up with? Must be a really slow day in the outrage camp!

 

[Kazukian]

I find it disingenuous for them to not admit that the hacks could have been internal, from our nation state.

 

[PokerGuy]

I find it disingenuous for them to not admit that the hacks could have been internal, from our nation state.

That doesn't sound nearly as nefarious. The ruskies are way worse. Run with that

Could have easily have been the Russians, but it doesn't change the bottom line.

 

[Pens1566]

So he's been a Trump tower. And he's talked to other heads of state. And? Are you telling me there is no way for him to communicate on a secure line from there? How do you know this? Secrets are going to leak, alert the media, I'm sure they'll be all over it! Or , they won't because it's nonsense.

The report I saw mentioned that there is no SCIF or STU present on site. That's the reason he can't get his security briefs there either. So yes, any conversation taking place at TT is out in the open. As we all learned in the email-gate scandal, diplomatic discussions are automatically classified. You do the math.

 

[Chiropteran]

It's true, much of Hillary's campaign was paid for by foreign entities.

Luckily it wasn't enough of a sway to prevent Trump from winning.

 

[cytg111]

It's true, much of Hillary's campaign was paid for by foreign entities.

Luckily it wasn't enough of a sway to prevent Trump from winning.

You mean this?

http://www.politifact.com/arizona/s...llary-clinton-take-money-countries-treat-wom/

 

[Jhhnn]

That's really reaching considering that the only involvement that can really be linked to the Russians is the hacking of the DNC and of Hilary Clinton's emails. So, we would have to ignore the other reasons why Trump had more support, such as the dissatisfaction of the rural and middle class voters.

But anyway, let's look at the hackings that occurred, that we are pretty sure were perpetrated by the Russians.

You know what the irony is?

When the NSA tells us about how they are wiretapping everything and listening to all conversations, the line they use is:
"You have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide"

So now, I'll use the same line on Hilary Clinton - you have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide.

If the DNC hadn't conspired to rig the primaries against Sanders, and if Clinton had exercised due care in terms of her email security, this would be a non-issue. If Donna Brazile hadn't passed the questions to Hilary Clinton before the debate, this would be a non-issue.

The Russians exposed what was there. Don't do those bad things, and there will be nothing to expose.

It has not been shown that Clinton's email was hacked. Don't pretend.

 

[Jhhnn]

Of course, it's the fault of the FBI doing their jobs and informing congress, not the fault of the person who carelessly and recklessly handled classified material. Had she not done those things, there would have been no Comey.

Comey never said recklessly. Don't pretend. His letter to Congress about Weiner's laptop was inexcusable CYA at best. It furthered the investigation in no way & Trump's campaign in every way. Over... nothing at all.

 

[Jhhnn]

In Putin's place, I'd much rather Trump be President & would work to make it happen.

As an American citizen, I think it's pretty clear that's been done. I also think he found a lot of useful idiots in the right wing noise machine who managed to use the information to build mountains out of molehills wrt Clinton, to spread the FUD. And it worked.

I'm sure Putin sees Trump as incompetent & I can't disagree with him. He also happens to be a brilliant adversary who sees opportunities in a Trump presidency that simply wouldn't exist w/ Clinton. He'll do his best to exploit them. It's not like he intends to do us any favors in the process.

 

[sandorski]

If an American performed the Hacks, they would have committed a Crime. If a Presidential Candidate had been behind the Hacks and became President, they would be Impeached and would require a Presidential Pardon to avoid Jail. The fact this happened is bad enough, but the casual dismissal of it happening by some is truly worrisome.

 

[brycejones]

Clinton tried to blame the FBI for a letter the FBI sent to congress. However, if Loretta Lynch, the Black Liberal Attorney General had not obstructed justice by denying their warrant to look at the files, They could have discovered there was no new information, and no one would have been notified because there was no new evidence. Liberals shot themselves in the foot.

WTF does race have to do with any of this?!? You really should try to wash up after the burnings....some is showing here.

 

[kage69]

While I'm not disagreeing with the NSA, I think the fake news feeds on FB were responsible for more warping of electorate minds, not to mention re-enforcing a hell of a lot of confirmation bias.

I can't tell you guys how many times I heard blue-collar workers (some white collar too) crow about the FBI agent Hillary has assassinated over her email scandal. That one in particular seemed to be a favorite, but there were many others.